Carney wins with 86% of vote

[blackbird]

Beware of woke Carney.  He is just another Liberal and is surrounding himself with the same woke liberal gang.  That means all the same failed policies as under Trudeau.

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

People have realized that the carbon tax was a fraud

Exactly!   Those responsible for the harm they did to Canadians with their phony war on climate change should be charged and imprisoned.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Those responsible for the harm they did to Canadians with their phony war on climate change should be charged and imprisoned.

What will you do when Poilievre takes up the battle and begins waging it on your behalf?

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everyone just went with the flow when the tax turned to kryptonite is all.

 

So what you're saying is that liberals and NDP have no values. Conservatives opposed the tax when it was popular and oppose it when it's unpopular. But liberals and NDP are happy to support it when people like it but dump it like a hot rock when it isn't because they don't actually believe in it, they just want to win elections.

I would say that's a relatively accurate assessment.

What you forgot to mention though is it became Kryptonite because it was a complete an object failure that even the liberals couldn't defend

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which always begs the question what next given everything else is more expensive, less effective and costs taxpayers more?

You're missing the whole point of the tax. The tax has nothing to do with climate change, the tax has to do with being a good source of revenues for the liberals while still being socially acceptable. I'm sure they'll find something

And nothing could be less effective. This was completely ineffective therefore that's maximum not effectiveness

But it wouldn't surprise me if whatever the liberals and carney come up with next is every bit as ineffective but more costly

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So what you're saying is that liberals and NDP have no values. Conservatives opposed the tax when it was popular and oppose it when it's unpopular.

Say what? Conservatives created the goddamn tax.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You're missing the whole point of the tax. The tax has nothing to do with climate change, the tax has to do with being a good source of revenues for the liberals while still being socially acceptable.

It seems Conservatives are always creating things for Liberals to use to their advantage.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And nothing could be less effective. This was completely ineffective therefore that's maximum not effectiveness

Hey it's not exactly the bees knees but let's face it action on climate change has been getting a bad rap for 40 years or more now so...good job.

Go find a majority of economists who are pointing to the more effective measure. It doesn't exist.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But it wouldn't surprise me if whatever the liberals and carney come up with next is every bit as ineffective but more costly

That's what I've been saying. And of course that the same will be true of PP and the Conservatives and whatever they come up with.

Go ask Scott Moe if you don't believe me.

Scott Moe says Saskatchewan considered carbon tax alternatives, but found them too costly

 

[TreeBeard]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

woke

What does this mean?

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

phony war on climate change should be charged and imprisoned.

Who judges if it’s phoney or real?  You?

Edited March 13 by TreeBeard

[herbie]

 

No govt has collected the GST or Carbon Tax without rebates. And "the NDP" haven't cancnelled it in BC because then the Feds would immediately collect it instead.

Enough with your bullshit claims and pis$ poor understanding of politics,

[Army Guy]

You guys truly amaze me, with your stupidity...Why do you think Carney is going to be any different than the last 8 years, when he is going to be using most of Justin's old staff...it is laughable and sad at the same time , that you can't see, that.... and Carney has been advising Justin for the last 5 years...This is no better than banging your head against the wall expecting different results....All you can do is yell i hate PP...and yet you still have not got past the socks, and don't really care what Carney has said he is going to do.....just that he is much better than PP....nothing is going to change in this country, because we are not smart enough on how to make change happen...

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Say what? Conservatives created the goddamn tax.

 

Oh yes, the common lie that the liberals like to tell. Was originally something that they conservatives supported because the original model that was proposed by economists seemed very promising. It indicated that there could be significant results with minimal damage to the economy provided it was done properly. However that model was updated and very quickly it became apparent that they're simply wasn't enough elasticity and people's discretionary energy spending for the model to work.

When they realize that the only way the model could possibly work would be to hurt the economy so bad that people had less money to spend the conservatives dropped the idea long before they actually imposed it or came close to making it happen. It was obvious that second glance that it was a bad idea.

The liberals however saw it not so much as a climate change issue but as an opportunity to steal more tax money from Canadians while lying about their intent. It would do nothing for the environment but it would enrich the liberal government who could then funnel that money into friendly corporations. Which is exactly what they did and exactly what happened and exactly what you supported and now your big mad that people are sick of the whole climate change thing

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It seems Conservatives are always creating things for Liberals to use to their advantage.

The liberals in the left use everything to their advantage, whether the conservatives created it or not. They're very clearly not in it for Canadians

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hey it's not exactly the bees knees but let's face it action on climate change has been getting a bad rap for 40 years or more now so...good job.

You mean ever since the liberals first broaden up in Kyoto and then completely ignored it for the rest of their time in office? Including all the Chretien years, the Martin years and now the Trudeau years?

Absolutely. It's like Chretien said, you always promise and go to the conventions but you never take action. Liberals have been making fake promises and then ignoring the issue for decades as you say.

The only government that actually did anything was harper's. Things only got worse under the other liberal ones

Which makes you a lying hypocrite. You claim that you care about climate change and yet keep supporting the parties who have done absolutely nothing about it despite promise after promise. The NDP did nothing even all of the times that they had the balance of power. The green party has proposed nothing. She just gets drunk on Chardonnay and eats donuts. The liberal party has done worse than nothing.

Get all these parties claimed that they were going to care about this issue a great deal. The conservatives didn't make that claim and yet did something and achieved more than any of the other parties combined.

Good job indeed.

 

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What does this mean?

Who judges if it’s phoney or real?  You?

"We have allowed our leaders to dictate an energy and economic agenda that cripples our own industries while the biggest polluters in the world — China, India, and Russia — continue full steam ahead, laughing at our self-imposed restrictions.

We have killed pipeline projects that could have provided secure, affordable energy to our own citizens and trading partners. We have burdened businesses with regulations and taxes that make it impossible to invest in our own country. We have turned our back on the resource wealth that built this nation. Now, we are expected to believe that more of the same will somehow fix the problem? It won’t.

A deliberate destruction of Canada’s economy

Since 2015, Canada has lost more than $225 billion in capital investment — money that could have created jobs, built infrastructure, and secured our future. Instead of addressing why businesses are leaving, our leaders have doubled down on anti-growth policies, making it harder for companies to operate."

KLEIN: Canada is digging its own grave: Total economic ruin

Canada has been digging its grave and carbon taxes have helped to do that.

[blackbird]

There is a group of folks on here who have a Liberal left cult mentality.  NO amount of reason or debate will change their minds.  Liberal left ideology is a kind of god to them.  

[blackbird]

"

We’ve seen massive investments in the energy sector go elsewhere, not because Canada lacks resources but because we have made it clear that investment here isn’t welcome.

Take our oil and gas industry — one of the cleanest and most ethical in the world. It has been vilified and squeezed, while foreign oil from dictatorships with no environmental standards continues to flow into our ports. It’s insanity.

Natural gas, one of the cleanest and most efficient energy sources, is being demonized by activists who don’t seem to care that other nations are expanding their use of coal. Meanwhile, we get lectured on carbon footprints while countries like China build two new coal plants per week. Does anyone truly believe Canada’s tiny fraction of global emissions is the problem?

This isn’t about the environment anymore — it’s about control. The same people who want to shut down the oil and gas industry refuse to acknowledge that wind and solar are unreliable without a massive, stable energy backup. Instead of investing in practical, balanced energy solutions, including nuclear and cleaner fossil fuel technology, our government is obsessed with eliminating fossil fuels entirely — no matter the cost."

KLEIN: Canada is digging its own grave: Total economic ruin

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There is a group of folks on here who have a Liberal left cult mentality.  NO amount of reason or debate will change their minds.  Liberal left ideology is a kind of god to them.  

You figure gods turn people into cultists?

Interesting.

 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You figure gods turn people into cultists?

Interesting.

 

You are proof.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are proof.

Except I think gods are imaginary and I don't support or vote for Liberals.

Proof of what?

[TreeBeard]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Canada has been digging its grave and carbon taxes have helped to do that.

What expertise does the guy who wrote that column have in climate and economics?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Except I think gods are imaginary and I don't support or vote for Liberals.

Proof of what?

But you do support the liberals. You do it here constantly. You've even defended Justin Trudeau at length and his crimes as being harper's fault

And you vote for the NDP which absolutely certainly means you support the liberals. They've been propping them up forever.

But of course it's not hard to find a lefty who's ashamed of being in a lefty these days given the damage that your people have done to this country

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But you do support the liberals. You do it here constantly.

Yes but I also lie constantly so...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes but I also lie constantly so...

In support of the liberals  

And about supporting them as well it would seem

 

I understand, if I were you I would be ashamed to admit my political affiliation as well

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hee haw hee haw.

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

LMAO!

Oh dear, are we at the stage where you have an emotional break down and start fake quoting people again and pretend it's all a joke   LOL  Always love to see those salty tears