Trump Pulls the Plug on Further Aid to Ukraine | Larry Johnson

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I realize that a lot of the BLM/Antifa thugs rioting may not all be locals, but just how freaking stupid are these people that they just set every building in sight ablaze without for one second stopping to see who actually owns the business?

And it is totally unjustifiable to be burning everything in sight in the first place. Doesn't matter who owns the business, white, black, big corporation...it is just flat out wrong.

As is the nearly routine shooting of unarmed blacks based on suspicion alone or PANIC.

Thing is, you're completely ignorant of the historical treatment of blacks in America for hundreds of years.

I still remember a story I read in the Chicago Tribune over 50 years ago, about a black teenager in Chicago who was caught by CPD stealing a bicycle. The cops recovered the bike and told the kid to run and he did, so they shot him in the back. NOTHING happened to the cops. That was when America was Great, according to Trump. Even worse than Laquan McDonald, also in Chicago.

Not much changed until the riots of the '60s which was the end of Jim Crow. Black people LEARNED that injustice can only be stopped by VIOLENCE. If anything else worked, the violence could have been avoided.

[User]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

As is the nearly routine shooting of unarmed blacks based on suspicion alone or PANIC.

There is no routine shooting of unarmed blacks like this. 

You are straight up pushing lies. 

[Hodad]

14 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Well looky there. Z didn't have the cards. He did have to fold. It's time to end the war and Trump has both sides at the table. Something Biden couldn't or wouldn't do.

That you people are celebrating the "brilliant diplomacy" of "ending" the war through appeasement, capitulation, surrender and betrayal of our own most cherished values perfectly encapsulates MAGA character. 

If only FDR had been a diplomatic genius like Trump we could have avoided all the senseless killing of WWII. 

[robosmith]

21 hours ago, Hodad said:

That you people are celebrating the "brilliant diplomacy" of "ending" the war through appeasement, capitulation, surrender and betrayal of our own most cherished values perfectly encapsulates MAGA character. 

If only FDR had been a diplomatic genius like Trump we could have avoided all the senseless killing of WWII. 

And we all will be speaking German... 🤮

Edited March 7 by robosmith

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

That you people are celebrating the "brilliant diplomacy" of "ending" the war through appeasement, capitulation, surrender and betrayal of our own most cherished values perfectly encapsulates MAGA character. 

If only FDR had been a diplomatic genius like Trump we could have avoided all the senseless killing of WWII. 

Hmmm...let's see...

End a war by surrendering to a terrorist organization bent on killing all Caucasians at the cost of several American lives and millions in munitions.

Make a deal that ends a war. Saving millions of lives.

Tough choice...

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Hmmm...let's see...

End a war by surrendering to a terrorist organization bent on killing all Caucasians at the cost of several American lives and millions in munitions.

Make a deal that ends a war. Saving millions of lives.

Tough choice...

Exactly like I said, if only FDR had been such a brilliant "diplomat" he could have similarly averted much killing: just let them have it.

This new "roll over and take it in the name of peace" crowd is truly pitiable. But you'd be well protected in prison. 

As a sad little shell of a man, perhaps "life" alone is sufficient for you, but the Ukrainians are made of sterner stuff. They believe that their fundamental rights include not just life, but also liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if they are willing to fight for those things, the rest of the democratic world should be supporting them. 

[User]

11 hours ago, Hodad said:

That you people are celebrating the "brilliant diplomacy" of "ending" the war through appeasement, capitulation, surrender and betrayal of our own most cherished values perfectly encapsulates MAGA character. 

If only FDR had been a diplomatic genius like Trump we could have avoided all the senseless killing of WWII. 

So... you want us to go to war against Russia now?

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Exactly like I said, if only FDR had been such a brilliant "diplomat" he could have similarly averted much killing: just let them have it.

This new "roll over and take it in the name of peace" crowd is truly pitiable. But you'd be well protected in prison. 

As a sad little shell of a man, perhaps "life" alone is sufficient for you, but the Ukrainians are made of sterner stuff. They believe that their fundamental rights include not just life, but also liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if they are willing to fight for those things, the rest of the democratic world should be supporting them. 

The only logical conclusion to your comments here are that you want America to declare war against Russia. Is that what you want?

[herbie]

So getting ready to deport those Ukranians taking shelter in the USA now, are you?

There is no level too disgusting for the Mango M0ron to stoop to is there? The White House is now the Lowest Office.

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So getting ready to deport those Ukranians taking shelter in the USA now, are you?

There is no level too disgusting for the Mango M0ron to stoop to is there? The White House is now the Lowest Office.

Well, certainly, Canada is willing to take them, right?

Or is your country also the lowest office too?

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, Hodad said:

Exactly like I said, if only FDR had been such a brilliant "diplomat" he could have similarly averted much killing: just let them have it.

This new "roll over and take it in the name of peace" crowd is truly pitiable. But you'd be well protected in prison. 

As a sad little shell of a man, perhaps "life" alone is sufficient for you, but the Ukrainians are made of sterner stuff. They believe that their fundamental rights include not just life, but also liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if they are willing to fight for those things, the rest of the democratic world should be supporting them. 

Canucks are not much into the "liberty and pursuit of happiness" thing; they're still living under a King after all this time. 🤮

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Canucks are not much into the "liberty and pursuit of happiness" thing; they're still living under a King after all this time. 🤮

The Monarchy is pretty much just ceremonial at this point:

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the Constitution Act, 1982, ended all legislative ties to Britain, as well as adding a constitutional amending formula and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.^[178] 

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Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Government_and_politics

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, Scott75 said:

The Monarchy is pretty much just ceremonial at this point:

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the Constitution Act, 1982, ended all legislative ties to Britain, as well as adding a constitutional amending formula and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.^[178] 

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Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada#Government_and_politics

The mere acceptance/adherence to that tradition goes way beyond the tolerance of most of the American citizens, though we do have a sizeable number of Anglophiles here.

[Scott75]

On 3/4/2025 at 9:15 AM, User said:

On 3/4/2025 at 5:25 AM, gatomontes99 said:

Yep. Zelensky attacked Trump in public. I don't know why he thought that would be beneficial. He clearly realized, later, that what he did was a huge mistake. But he still didn't apologize. When he apologizes, he will get it all back. One of Tro's best qualities is his ability to forgive.

I am not even sure an apology will do at this point. 

Zelensky posted a video to social media yesterday, basically thanking the Europeans for all their increased efforts saying he has secured enough funding to keep the war going through 2025 and never really acknowledged Trump or any plan for peace with Trump and his usual schtick for a real lasting peace and at the end threw in that America would keep helping him too. 

I think the timeline for aid being cut was after that video being posted. 

He doesn't get to brag about continued American support through 2025 to keep the war going when he knows that isn't what Trump wants.

Looks like you're right. Here's what the White House said on Wednesday:

https://kyivindependent.com/trump-may-resume-ukraine-aid-after-further-steps-toward-peace-confidence-building-white-house-says/

[Scott75]

On 3/4/2025 at 11:13 AM, robosmith said:

On 3/4/2025 at 3:10 AM, Scott75 said:

Interesting article that just came out a few hours ago, thought it might merit a thread of its own. Link to it is here:

https://sonar21.com/trump-pulls-the-plug-on-further-aid-to-ukraine/

Quoting the short article below:

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What a day. The fallout from Friday’s rumble in the Oval Office continues and it is not good news for Ukraine. Although Zelensky caught some love from a motley collection of Eurocrats over the weekend in London, it was meaningless. More empty promises from European countries with no military clout and floundering economies, all vowing to support Ukraine, maybe. The UK’s Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, promised to provide troops and planes to secure a peace in Ukraine and then, moments later, conceded it would only be done if the US provided firm security guarantees. Trump already has said, “NO,” to that proposal and is not going to reverse position.

 

Then, late this afternoon, news broke that Trump had pulled the plug on providing further military and financial assistance to Ukraine. While Trump suggested this might be only a temporary hold, provided that Zelensky get on his knees and return to the Oval Office to kiss Trump’s ass, I think it is unlikely that the Kievan Cocaine Cowboy will wipe the white powder from his nostrils, clear his head, and apologize to Mr. Trump. Zelensky is too far gone.

 

Zelensky will bear the blame in Ukraine for alienating the Trump administration and you can bet that senior intelligence and military officers, who will now be denied assistance they were counting on, will turn their wrath on Zelensky. Whatever tantrum or defiant show of resistance Zelensky decides to present to the outside world, that will be short-lived.

 

Russia will likely further intensify its military operations against the Ukrainian forces, which already are suffering significant losses all along the line of contact. And the prospect for a quick collapse of Ukraine’s military appears more plausible as compared to the situation one month past.

 

At the same time that President Trump is turning up the heat on Ukraine, he has ordered the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of State to review existing sanctions on Russia and submit a list recommending which ones to lift. I think one of the first to fall will be air travel between the two countries.

 

When the full truth of US financial support for Ukraine is eventually revealed, Americans will be shocked to learn that USAID played a pervasive and powerful role in funneling money to whip up public enthusiasm for Ukraine and to entice mercenaries to enlist. In addition, USAID funding to media outlets in Ukraine was a critical element in pushing memes proclaiming Ukraine as a democracy, Zelensky as a popular leader and Russia as military and economic basket case. With Trump pulling the plug on that operation, the facade of lies is being exposed and starting to crumble.

I discussed some of these issues on Monday with Nima and with the Judge:

 

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Your cite completely lacks credibility cause it reads like it was written by a petulant CHILD.

Why do you believe that?

On 3/4/2025 at 11:13 AM, robosmith said:

WTH is Larry Johnson

Larry Johnson's the name of the author of the site I quoted and referenced. 

On 3/4/2025 at 11:13 AM, robosmith said:

why do you believe [Larry Johnson] is credible? 

His arguments make sense to me. I've been following this war since Russia started its military operation in Ukraine and what he says aligns with other sources I trust. I think it's clear we don't exactly see eye to eye on the war in Ukraine, though, so I can see why you'd be skeptical of his point of view.

[Scott75]

On 3/4/2025 at 11:24 AM, Deluge said:

On 3/4/2025 at 10:33 AM, Aristides said:

There should be no further doubt that Trump is in Putin's pocket. It's a good thing that Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

Trump and Putin agree that woke globalism is bad for everyone. 

I'm not sure what woke globalism means, but I certainly believe that Trump is much more intelligent in terms of his cost/benefit analysis when it comes to the war in Ukraine then Biden ever was. I think Professor Jeffrey Sachs had some pretty good lines in regards to Trump's take of the war in Ukraine in the speech he gave to the European Union recently. Quoting:

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Let me end with a few words about President Donald Trump. Trump does not want Biden’s losing hand. This is why Trump and President Putin are likely to agree to end the war. Even if Europe continues with its warmongering, it won’t matter. The war is ending. So, please, get it out of your system. Please tell your colleagues. “It’s over.” It’s over because Trump doesn’t want to hold on to a loser. The one that will be saved by the negotiations taking place right now is Ukraine. The second is Europe.

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Source:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/

Edited March 8 by Scott75

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

I'm not sure what woke globalism means, but I would say that Trump is much more intelligent in terms of his cost/benefit analysis when it comes to the war in Ukraine. I think Professor Jeffrey Sachs had some pretty good lines in regards to Trump's take of the war in Ukraine in the speech he gave to the European Union recently. Quoting:

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Let me end with a few words about President Donald Trump. Trump does not want Biden’s losing hand. This is why Trump and President Putin are likely to agree to end the war. Even if Europe continues with its warmongering, it won’t matter. The war is ending. So, please, get it out of your system. Please tell your colleagues. “It’s over.” It’s over because Trump doesn’t want to hold on to a loser. The one that will be saved by the negotiations taking place right now is Ukraine. The second is Europe.

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Source:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/

Europe is the one threatened by this war not Sachs, the US and Trump. They aren't war mongering, they know Russia.

Edited March 8 by Aristides

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

Why do you believe that?

Larry Johnson's the name of the author of the site I quoted and referenced. 

His arguments make sense to me. I've been following this war since Russia started its military operation in Ukraine and what he says aligns with other sources I trust. I think it's clear we don't exactly see eye to eye on the war in Ukraine, though, so I can see why you'd be skeptical of his point of view.

I am skeptical in part because you cannot cite HIS EXPERTISE NOR AUTHORITY on the subject and I never heard anyone who can. There are a shitload of clowns who product PODCASTS.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

I'm not sure what woke globalism means, but I certainly believe that Trump is much more intelligent in terms of his cost/benefit analysis when it comes to the war in Ukraine then Biden ever was. I think Professor Jeffrey Sachs had some pretty good lines in regards to Trump's take of the war in Ukraine in the speech he gave to the European Union recently. Quoting:

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Let me end with a few words about President Donald Trump. Trump does not want Biden’s losing hand. This is why Trump and President Putin are likely to agree to end the war. Even if Europe continues with its warmongering, it won’t matter. The war is ending. So, please, get it out of your system. Please tell your colleagues. “It’s over.” It’s over because Trump doesn’t want to hold on to a loser. The one that will be saved by the negotiations taking place right now is Ukraine. The second is Europe.

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Source:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/

Trump is making Ukraine "the loser" by sucking up to Putin for his PERSONAL BENEFIT. He STILL wants to build a tower in Moscow, and only Putin can make that happen right now. 

[User]

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

Europe is the one threatened by this war not Sachs, the US and Trump. They aren't war mongering, they know Russia.

They certainly are not acting like this is a threat to them. They continue to spend money being reliant on Russian fuel while giving about the bare minimum they can to Ukraine. 

 

[User]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump is making Ukraine "the loser" by sucking up to Putin for his PERSONAL BENEFIT. He STILL wants to build a tower in Moscow, and only Putin can make that happen right now. 

This makes zero sense. Trump certainly was not sucking up to him during his first term. 

You guys do live in reality with this nonsense. 

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I'm not sure what woke globalism means, but I certainly believe that Trump is much more intelligent in terms of his cost/benefit analysis when it comes to the war in Ukraine then Biden ever was. I think Professor Jeffrey Sachs had some pretty good lines in regards to Trump's take of the war in Ukraine in the speech he gave to the European Union recently. Quoting:

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Let me end with a few words about President Donald Trump. Trump does not want Biden’s losing hand. This is why Trump and President Putin are likely to agree to end the war. Even if Europe continues with its warmongering, it won’t matter. The war is ending. So, please, get it out of your system. Please tell your colleagues. “It’s over.” It’s over because Trump doesn’t want to hold on to a loser. The one that will be saved by the negotiations taking place right now is Ukraine. The second is Europe.

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Source:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/

It's sage advice from Sachs. As a tax payer, I know I sure as hell want out of that region. 

[WestCanMan]

On 3/4/2025 at 8:33 AM, Aristides said:

There should be no further doubt that Trump is in Putin's pocket. It's a good thing that Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

Blah, blah, blah. You sound like myata now ffs.

How "in the pocket" was Biden, after Ukraine filled the Biden family bank accounts with loot?

[Scott75]

On 3/7/2025 at 10:20 PM, Aristides said:

On 3/7/2025 at 10:16 PM, Scott75 said:

I'm not sure what woke globalism means, but I certainly believe that Trump is much more intelligent in terms of his cost/benefit analysis when it comes to the war in Ukraine then Biden ever was. I think Professor Jeffrey Sachs had some pretty good lines in regards to Trump's take of the war in Ukraine in the speech he gave to the European Union recently. Quoting:

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Let me end with a few words about President Donald Trump. Trump does not want Biden’s losing hand. This is why Trump and President Putin are likely to agree to end the war. Even if Europe continues with its warmongering, it won’t matter. The war is ending. So, please, get it out of your system. Please tell your colleagues. “It’s over.” It’s over because Trump doesn’t want to hold on to a loser. The one that will be saved by the negotiations taking place right now is Ukraine. The second is Europe.

**

Source:

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/27/jeffrey-sachs-the-geopolitics-of-peace/

Europe is the one threatened by this war not Sachs, the US and Trump. They aren't war mongering, they know Russia.

Russia would have never started its military operation in Ukraine had it not been for the arrogance of NATO. Even Jens Stoltenberg, then the Secretary General of NATO, admitted to the fact that NATO's expansion eastward was a key factor in Russia's decision to start its military operation, as Professor Jeffrey Sachs pointed out in an article:

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According to the U.S. government and the ever-obsequious New York Times, the Ukraine war was “unprovoked,” the Times’ favorite adjective to describe the war. Putin, allegedly mistaking himself for Peter the Great, invaded Ukraine to recreate the Russian Empire. Yet last week, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg committed a Washington gaffe, meaning that he accidently blurted out the truth.

In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words:

“The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition to not invade Ukraine. Of course, we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second-class membership. We rejected that.

So, he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.”

To repeat, he [Putin] went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

When Prof. John Mearsheimer, I, and others have said the same, we’ve been attacked as Putin apologists. The same critics also choose to hide or flatly ignore the dire warnings against NATO enlargement to Ukraine long articulated by many of America’s leading diplomats, including the great scholar-statesman George Kennan, and the former US Ambassadors to Russia Jack Matlock and William Burns.

Burns, now CIA Director, was US Ambassador to Russia in 2008, and author of a memo entitled “Nyet means Nyet.” In that memo, Burns explained to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the entire Russian political class, not just Putin, was dead-set against NATO enlargement. We know about the memo only because it was leaked. Otherwise, we’d be in the dark about it.

Why does Russia oppose NATO enlargement? For the simple reason that Russia does not accept the U.S. military on its 2,300 km border with Ukraine in the Black Sea region. Russia does not appreciate the U.S. placement of Aegis missiles in Poland and Romania after the U.S. unilaterally abandoned the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.

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Source:

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/nato-chief-admits-expansion-behind-russian-invasion

 

The only reason the war in Ukraine continues is because to this day, most NATO members refuse to take Russia's security concerns seriously. 

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[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Russia would have never started its military operation in Ukraine had it not been for the arrogance of NATO. Even Jens Stoltenberg, then the Secretary General of NATO, admitted to the fact that NATO's expansion eastward was a key factor in Russia's decision to start its military operation, as Professor Jeffrey Sachs pointed out in an article:

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According to the U.S. government and the ever-obsequious New York Times, the Ukraine war was “unprovoked,” the Times’ favorite adjective to describe the war. Putin, allegedly mistaking himself for Peter the Great, invaded Ukraine to recreate the Russian Empire. Yet last week, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg committed a Washington gaffe, meaning that he accidently blurted out the truth.

In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words:

“The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition to not invade Ukraine. Of course, we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second-class membership. We rejected that.

So, he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.”

To repeat, he [Putin] went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

When Prof. John Mearsheimer, I, and others have said the same, we’ve been attacked as Putin apologists. The same critics also choose to hide or flatly ignore the dire warnings against NATO enlargement to Ukraine long articulated by many of America’s leading diplomats, including the great scholar-statesman George Kennan, and the former US Ambassadors to Russia Jack Matlock and William Burns.

Burns, now CIA Director, was US Ambassador to Russia in 2008, and author of a memo entitled “Nyet means Nyet.” In that memo, Burns explained to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the entire Russian political class, not just Putin, was dead-set against NATO enlargement. We know about the memo only because it was leaked. Otherwise, we’d be in the dark about it.

Why does Russia oppose NATO enlargement? For the simple reason that Russia does not accept the U.S. military on its 2,300 km border with Ukraine in the Black Sea region. Russia does not appreciate the U.S. placement of Aegis missiles in Poland and Romania after the U.S. unilaterally abandoned the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.

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Source:

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/nato-chief-admits-expansion-behind-russian-invasion

 

The only reason the war in Ukraine continues is because to this day, most NATO members refuse to take Russia's security concerns seriously. 

Actually Europe is taking its own security concerns seriously. I fail to understand how attacking Ukraine, resulting in Europe making huge new investments in its military makes Russia more secure.

Edited March 10 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

53 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words:

• “The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition to not invade Ukraine. Of course, we didn't sign that.
  
  The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second-class membership. We rejected that.

Let me get this straight: are you saying that "NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg" knows more than myata, or that he's a more reliable source than Anderson "THE FLOOD WAS REAL" Cooper? 

Good luck convincing any of the cultists of that. 

I can guarantee you that, to a man, they will all disregard what you wrote there 100%. The needles in their teensy litte brains haven't budged one iota. 

P.S.: Reharding this:

• So, he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.”

What he got is the Donbas in Russia, and a buffer zone around Crimea.

Edited March 10 by WestCanMan