We definitely need a Conservative government to get pipelines built in Canada

[blackbird]

The existing laws and regulations make it almost impossible to get new pipelines built in Canada.  Almost no new pipelines have been built since Trudeau was elected in 2015.  He killed the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline projects soon after he was elected.  He brought in new laws making the approval process almost impossible to get through.  Canada has hampered pipeline projects by allowing environmental groups and FNs to oppose and block pipeline projects as well.  Something drastic has to be done.  Pipelines are essential to get our oil and gas to international markets.  90% of our oil is sold to the U.S. at a reduced price.

We only have one pipeline to get oil to tidewater in Canada which is crazy.  That is the Trans Mountain Pipeline to Vancouver.  Even expanding that to bring it up to date was a horror show that lasted many years.  The private company had to back out because of all the opposition from FNs, environmental groups, and the BC NDP.  Since the pipeline is a lifeline for the energy industry in Alberta and essential for fueling motor vehicles on the west coast, the federal government had to step in and buy the pipeline project.

But this is not the way to run a country.  All these protesting regularly against pipeline projects by blocking their construction should be outlawed as a form of economic terrorism.  That is what it is.  People caught blocking pipelines should be charged and tried with a criminal offence and face years behind bars.  Stop this parole nonsense after half a sentence.  

Our only hope is a new Conservative government that will abolish the rigid regulatory process created by the Liberals and NDP and eliminate C69, eliminate the no more pipeline laws.   Let's build, build, build and make Canada great.  It will take years to build new pipelines but we must take action and eliminate all the hurdles in the process, especially the protest groups.  That form of terrorism against our economy must end.

Edited February 26 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The existing laws and regulations make it almost impossible to get new pipelines built in Canada.  Almost no new pipelines have been built since Trudeau was elected in 2015.  He killed the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline projects soon after he was elected.  He brought in new laws making the approval process almost impossible to get through.  Canada has hampered by allowing environmental groups and FNs to oppose and block pipeline projects as well.  Something drastic has to be done.  Pipelines are essential to get out oil and gas to markets.

We only have one pipeline to get oil to tidewater in Canada which is crazy.  That is the Trans Mountain Pipeline to Vancouver.  Even expanding that to bring it up to date was a horror show that lasted many years.  The private company had to back out because of the opposition from FNs, environmental groups, and the BC NDP.  Since the pipeline is a lifeline for the energy industry in Alberta and essential for fueling motor vehicles on the west coast, the federal government had to step in and buy the pipeliine project.

But this is not the way to run a country.  All these protesting regularly against pipeline projects by blocking their construction should be outlawed as a form of economic terrorism.  That is what it is.  People caught blocking pipelines should be charged and tried with a criminal offence and fact years behind bars.  Stop this parole nonsense after half a sentence.  

Our only hope is a new Conservative government that will abolish the rigid regulatory process by in by the Liberals and NDP and eliminate C69, eliminate the no more pipeline laws.   Let's build, build, build and make Canada great.  It will take years to build new pipelines but we must take action and eliminate all the hurdles in the process, especially the protest groups.  That form of terrorism against our economy must end.

it's not the government which builds pipelines

the problem for Canada goes beyond the oil companies not wanting to invest in Canada's hostile market

the Brent crude price is only $75 USD a barrel

which means Canadian crude is only worth $60 USD a barrel

which means its not even profitable for oil companies to invest in new pipelines in Canada

and with America going big on fracking, the oil price is not going to go up, it's going to keep going down

so there really isn't a business case for investing in Canadian oil

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not the government which builds pipelines

the problem for Canada goes beyond the oil companies not wanting to invest in Canada's hostile market

the Brent crude price is only $75 USD a barrel

which means Canadian crude is only worth $60 USD a barrel

which means its not even profitable for oil companies to invest in new pipelines in Canada

and with America going big on fracking, the oil price is not going to go up, it's going to keep going down

so there really isn't a business case for investing in Canadian oil

Never said it was the government that builds pipelines.  Did you read what I wrote?   It's the government that regulates and blocks the building of pipelines in Canada.

You're an American MAGA person aren't you?   So you're hostile to Canada's energy industry.  You don't want Canada to be able to sell to countries other than the U.S.

Edited February 26 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Never said it was the government that builds pipelines.  Did you read what I wrote?   It's the government that regulates and blocks the building of pipelines in Canada.

You're an American MAGA person aren't you?   So you're hostile to Canada's energy industry.  You don't want Canada to be able to sell to countries other than the U.S.

it's not Canada's industry

the oil companies own the industry, international shareholders decide

in terms of MAGA ; MAGA is not hostile to Canadian oil

it's President Trump who just said he would restart the Keystone XL pipeline which the Democrats blocked

but for Canada to have an east west pipeline to avoid Texas ?

you're not going to find any oil companies willing to invest in that

[cougar]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The existing laws and regulations make it almost impossible to get new pipelines built in Canada.  Almost no new pipelines have been built since Trudeau was elected in 2015.  He killed the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline projects soon after he was elected.  He brought in new laws making the approval process almost impossible to get through.  Canada has hampered pipeline projects by allowing environmental groups and FNs to oppose and block pipeline projects as well.  Something drastic has to be done.  Pipelines are essential to get our oil and gas to international markets.  90% of our oil is sold to the U.S. at a reduced price.

We only have one pipeline to get oil to tidewater in Canada which is crazy.  That is the Trans Mountain Pipeline to Vancouver.  Even expanding that to bring it up to date was a horror show that lasted many years.  The private company had to back out because of all the opposition from FNs, environmental groups, and the BC NDP.  Since the pipeline is a lifeline for the energy industry in Alberta and essential for fueling motor vehicles on the west coast, the federal government had to step in and buy the pipeline project.

But this is not the way to run a country.  All these protesting regularly against pipeline projects by blocking their construction should be outlawed as a form of economic terrorism.  That is what it is.  People caught blocking pipelines should be charged and tried with a criminal offence and face years behind bars.  Stop this parole nonsense after half a sentence.  

Our only hope is a new Conservative government that will abolish the rigid regulatory process created by the Liberals and NDP and eliminate C69, eliminate the no more pipeline laws.   Let's build, build, build and make Canada great.  It will take years to build new pipelines but we must take action and eliminate all the hurdles in the process, especially the protest groups.  That form of terrorism against our economy must end.

I've told you; what we need is you go down south and stop blabbering about pipelines and things your little birdie mind cannot even grasp.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

You're an American MAGA person aren't you? 

do you really think that you are part of Canadian society, as a devout Evangelical Protestant ?

you are more of a stranger in this land than I am ; you are treated with either derision or as a fool in Canada

MAGA Republicans are literally the only people left in this world whom would embrace you

[CdnFox]

Well it is certainly true that carney will not be facilitating the construction of any new pipelines regardless of what he promises. He only does that in other countries

 pipelines get built when business has confidence that the government has their back and will help overcome the obstacles they face pushing through the pipelines. The conservatives are certainly better suited for that

Dougie you're not even a Canadian. You've said so a million times and we are thankful that you are kind enough not to associate yourself with us. So Canadian politics is probably something you're not going to be qualified to speak on

[Barquentine]

As the US produces more oil, Trump lets Putin off the hook so he can sell more oil, green technologies increase their share of energy production, the price of oil will very likely drop in the next few years, making new oil investment less attractive.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

I've told you; what we need is you go down south and stop blabbering about pipelines and things your little birdie mind cannot even grasp.

So says the Marxist.  NO ,   I will stay and oppose you Marxists as long as possible.

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

you are more of a stranger in this land than I am ; you are treated with either derision or as a fool in Canada

Yes, I am opposed by the lefty liberal Marxists.  I don't care.  I have a suit of armor.

Non-believers and Marxists are heading for destruction.   I will pray for them, but won't let the loons fizz on me.

Edited February 26 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Yes, I am opposed by the lefty liberal Marxists. 

but Canada is in essence a lefty Liberal Marxist institution

Canada is a centrally planned socialist nanny state which views Christianity as being the "opiate of the masses"

I know that socialist Canadians fear & loathe Republican Evangelicals

but I don't understand why you would fear & loathe Republican Evangelicals yourself

[suds]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not the government which builds pipelines

the problem for Canada goes beyond the oil companies not wanting to invest in Canada's hostile market

the Brent crude price is only $75 USD a barrel

which means Canadian crude is only worth $60 USD a barrel

which means its not even profitable for oil companies to invest in new pipelines in Canada

and with America going big on fracking, the oil price is not going to go up, it's going to keep going down

so there really isn't a business case for investing in Canadian oil

There may not be a 'business case' for investing in Canadian oil (or in exporting liquid natural gas for that matter). But then again you never know. As history tells us, things don't often turn out the way we expect they should. Ask the Europeans betting all their marbles on importing Russian gas. But what about from a 'risk management' point of view? There's no real business case for supply management either is there? But it's sort of reassuring knowing that a major part of our food supply is being controlled domestically. Covid opened our eyes to how easily international supply chains could be broken down and critical shortages of necessities result. World War III might break out. The U.S. has a huge strategic petroleum reserve for example. Could we? Should we? What about utilizing a Canada East pipeline in terms of risk management? Exactly how much do certain parts of Canada depend on imported oil? The gas pipeline (which was supposed to be converted to transporting diluted bitumen) which runs from western Canada to the Ontario/Quebec border is still there isn't it? Are we doing enough to protect ourselves against supply shortages that may be beyond our control? We haven't weeded ourselves off fossil fuels yet, and we still have a long way to go.

[Dougie93]

47 minutes ago, suds said:

There may not be a 'business case' for investing in Canadian oil (or in exporting liquid natural gas for that matter). But then again you never know. As history tells us, things don't often turn out the way we expect they should. Ask the Europeans betting all their marbles on importing Russian gas. But what about from a 'risk management' point of view? There's no real business case for supply management either is there? But it's sort of reassuring knowing that a major part of our food supply is being controlled domestically. Covid opened our eyes to how easily international supply chains could be broken down and critical shortages of necessities result. World War III might break out. The U.S. has a huge strategic petroleum reserve for example. Could we? Should we? What about utilizing a Canada East pipeline in terms of risk management? Exactly how much do certain parts of Canada depend on imported oil? The gas pipeline (which was supposed to be converted to transporting diluted bitumen) which runs from western Canada to the Ontario/Quebec border is still there isn't it? Are we doing enough to protect ourselves against supply shortages that may be beyond our control? We haven't weeded ourselves off fossil fuels yet, and we still have a long way to go.

it works so long as the Canadian heavy crude is being sent to the refineries in Texas

all that infrastructure is already paid for

what oil companies are wanting to spend billions to build new heavy crude refineries for Canada ?

for low grade heavy crude, with low profit margin at under $60 a barrel ?

Canadian oil ain't worth the stretch, because it's not profitable enough

Canadian oil only becomes worth big investment, at a $100 a barrel

and with the Americans fracking, the oil price may never get back to there again

in essence, fracking has rendered the oil sands obsolete

just getting oil to tidewater doesn't make you rich in of itself

look at Venezuela, they are broke, their oil doesn't actually make a profit

basically the Canadian plan being made in a panic now, is like the Caracas plan

"let's nationalize the oil in effect" ; Venezuela North

I don't expect that Canada will do much at all in the end

in typical Canadian fashion, it will be all talk no action

but if Canada actually followed through on the talk, it would likely end up being a disaster

politicizing your oil, trying to weaponize it, that has backfired massively on every country who tried it

central planning doesn't make you more competitive, quite the opposite

getting into an oil war with the American market by central planning ; that's how you get crushed

trying to force the oil to go through eastern Canada against the tide of market forces

that's likely to blow up in Canada's face at a massive financial loss

that's the kind of stupid shit that Communist counties do, and how America always wins those wars

Edited February 26 by Dougie93

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

but I don't understand why you would fear & loathe Republican Evangelicals yourself

I never said anything about fearing or loathing Republican Evangelicals.

I oppose all the madness coming from Trump and his plans to harm millions of people with his tariffs.  He seems to have gone completely mad.  

If you are supporting what Trump is threatening to do to Canada and his insane comments about a 51st state, you have no understanding of what this means.  Any evangelical who supports what Trump is doing now must be mentally wacko.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

As the US produces more oil, Trump lets Putin off the hook so he can sell more oil, green technologies increase their share of energy production, the price of oil will very likely drop in the next few years, making new oil investment less attractive.

It'll still be attractive for at least the foreseeable future. In addition those same pipeline routes can also carry natural gas pipelines which is growing in popularity.

The conservatives have long called for a energy corridor from coast to coast carrying electricity oil and natural gas etc so that all provinces can share their energy with the rest of Canadians. Quebec and BC have tons of hydropower, BC has natural gas, Alberta has natural gas and oil considerate etc we should literally be able to power our entire country independently and buy our own product.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I never said anything about fearing or loathing Republican Evangelicals.

I oppose all the madness coming from Trump and his plans to harm millions of people with his tariffs.  He seems to have gone completely mad.  

If you are supporting what Trump is threatening to do to Canada and his insane comments about a 51st state, you have no understanding of what this means.  Any evangelical who supports what Trump is doing now must be mentally wacko.

why would an Evangelical oppose freeing Canada from godless atheist socialism ?

what is Trump threatening to do ?

all he said was he would cherish Canada as the 51st State

and if Canada is unable to compete head to head with America, that would be a solution therein

[herbie]

So the Marxists are the ones wanting to use public funds to build pipelines for the oil companies is it? No wonder you call Trudeau a Marxist.

And just how would Tories build pipelines without the permission of provinces, local authorities, native tribes, and people along the right of way? Without violating the Constitution and being thrown out of office before the first shovel was in the ground? DO they think the world will be 1960 four years from now?

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

  Any evangelical who supports what Trump is doing now must be mentally wacko.

Trump is trying to end the war between Christians in Ukraine

Trump is trying to end the war between Jews & Muslims in the Holy Land

why would the Nazarene oppose that ?

you don't think the Saviour would make whatever deal was necessary to stop these wars ?

it's not like He was naive, He could have raised another revolt against the Romans,

but what did He do instead ?

Edited February 26 by Dougie93

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

why would an Evangelical oppose freeing Canada from godless atheist socialism ?

what is Trump threatening to do ?

all he said was he would cherish Canada as the 51st State

and if Canada is unable to compete head to head with America, that would be a solution therein

Trump repeatedly insults Canada.   He is threatening the world order and free trade as well as disrespectful of our sovereignty.  We are sick and tired of listening to this insanity.

You are on the wrong forum. 

[suds]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It'll still be attractive for at least the foreseeable future. In addition those same pipeline routes can also carry natural gas pipelines which is growing in popularity.

The conservatives have long called for a energy corridor from coast to coast carrying electricity oil and natural gas etc so that all provinces can share their energy with the rest of Canadians. Quebec and BC have tons of hydropower, BC has natural gas, Alberta has natural gas and oil considerate etc we should literally be able to power our entire country independently and buy our own product.

I hear ya! That's the way it maybe should have been done to begin with. But if you look at any map of the U.S. and Canada that shows all the oil/gas pipelines and electrical transmission networks you would see right away how tied to the hip we really are with the U.S.  First impressions would be it looks like a giant spiderweb. I don't know if there's any way of getting around that. I'd be happy with not being forced to sell western crude to U.S. refiners at a discount and having eastern Canada buy it back at a premium. Refine it in Canada, keep it in Canada, and sell any surplus at standard prices. And if there's no business case for it then let the government get involved.

[Dougie93]

Just now, blackbird said:

Trump repeatedly insults Canada.   He is threatening the world order and free trade as well as disrespectful of our sovereignty.  We are sick and tired of listening to this insanity.

You are on the wrong forum. 

nobody on this forum takes anything you say seriously

you are a laughing stock here, because you are an Evangelical

you apparently have Stockholm Syndrome for a godless atheist socialist Canada which despises you

[PIK]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it works so long as the Canadian heavy crude is being sent to the refineries in Texas

all that infrastructure is already paid for

what oil companies are wanting to spend billions to build new heavy crude refineries for Canada ?

for low grade heavy crude, with low profit margin at under $60 a barrel ?

Canadian oil ain't worth the stretch, because it's not profitable enough

Canadian oil only becomes worth big investment, at a $100 a barrel

and with the Americans fracking, the oil price may never get back to there again

in essence, fracking has rendered the oil sands obsolete

just getting oil to tidewater doesn't make you rich in of itself

look at Venezuela, they are broke, their oil doesn't actually make a profit

basically the Canadian plan being made in a panic now, is like the Caracas plan

"let's nationalize the oil in effect" ; Venezuela North

I don't expect that Canada will do much at all in the end

in typical Canadian fashion, it will be all talk no action

but if Canada actually followed through on the talk, it would likely end up being a disaster

politicizing your oil, trying to weaponize it, that has backfired massively on every country who tried it

central planning doesn't make you more competitive, quite the opposite

getting into an oil war with the American market by central planning ; that's how you get crushed

trying to force the oil to go through eastern Canada against the tide of market forces

that's likely to blow up in Canada's face at a massive financial loss

that's the kind of stupid shit that Communist counties do, and how America always wins those wars

When these pipelines get finished,good chance the Dems will be back in power and things could change. Again. LOL

[Dougie93]

27 minutes ago, PIK said:

When these pipelines get finished,good chance the Dems will be back in power and things could change. Again. LOL

the Dems are hardly friends to the Canadian oil sands

they might have to cave to American fracking, but they are not the slightest bit beholden to Canadian heavy crude

thinking that the Democrats are Canada's allies is obviously naive

at the end of the day, Canadians are foreigners in America

Americans say they like Canadians, but that's only because Americans don't know Canada well

but it doesn't matter even if Americans like Canadians

when it comes to business, Americans don't give a f*ck about Canadians

if America can profit in Canada, great

but America will throw Canada under the bus at the drop of a hat and sleep like a baby after

that's Republicans & Democrats both

furthermore, after the Democrats have now lost to Trump twice in humiliating fashion

I would expect the Democrats to become much more Trumpy themselves from now on

America First Democrats is baked into the cake ; just win, baby

Edited February 27 by Dougie93

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it's President Trump who just said he would restart the Keystone XL pipeline which the Democrats blocked

but for Canada to have an east west pipeline to avoid Texas ?

you're not going to find any oil companies willing to invest in that

It may take time, but Trump has proven we have wrongly relied on the U.S. as a good trading partner.  Now they elected a guy that turns against Canada and makes false accusations against us on everything.  Our governments should have seen the possibility of something like this coming.

Trump is threatening the whole western world with tariffs.  Time to wake up.

The best thing Canada can do is look elsewhere to trade and build pipelines to ship oil and gas overseas to other countries as much as possible.  Right now 90% of our oil goes south to the U.S.  That must change.  This may take years to do, but we must get started now.

I'm not going to play your game and answer your insults. 

Edited February 27 by blackbird

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Republican Evangelicals

What kind of evangelicals support what Trump is doing?  

  He seems to hate Canada and is treating his own people very poorly.  He released Jan 6 convicted offenders from prison.  Firing countless people and deporting countless people, many of whom have families and have been working in the U.S. for many years.  Threatening to illegally take over other countries like Greenland and Panama, which is against international law.   Disrespecting Canada's sovereignty. 

[suds]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What kind of evangelicals support what Trump is doing?  

  He seems to hate Canada and is treating his own people very poorly.  He released Jan 6 convicted offenders from prison.  Firing countless people and deporting countless people, many of whom have families and have been working in the U.S. for many years.  Threatening to illegally take over other countries like Greenland and Panama, which is against international law.   Disrespecting Canada's sovereignty.

Well at least he got Panama to boot the Chinese out. Maybe he can come to some agreement with Denmark to establish U.S. military bases in Greenland as they did during WW2. As for us, let's not do anything stupid like adding fuel to the fire and starting a trade war.