PIK Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Who is "looking for a reason to vote carney"? When did I ever say that?? Again, I said "I am not a Carney fan but PP has to work harder to convince us he is the prime minister of choice, not by default. " You seem to think PP is better than anyone else... LOL Why are you obsessed at making PP the better candidate?? PP is a politician, never has been anything else. Has not real world experience except playing politics. You can put lipstick on any politician but they are still a politician. I have not decided who to vote for and am not a fan of anyone or any party. They have to convince me. I will not vote for someone just because. We will see how carney acts and reacts when he is PM next Sunday. Will PP become prime minister material then?? By saying PP has to work harder for your vote after 9 yrs of trudeau,tells me you are not going PP not matter what he does. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Army Guy Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 14 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Exactly. Where’s PP? Propaganda YouTube videos just don’t cut it. Trudeau’s excellent response to the crisis is just piling on more bad news for PP. PP needs to appear with DoFo and eviscerate Trump. That will get him some votes. Is he able to criticize Trump in such a way. He’s impotent in taking advantage of this crisis. Your not looking hard enough, he has been on the media as much as DOFO, and justin.... Not excellent, more of a fair response, lets not forget Liberals inaction on most of the topics trump is trying to address are the reasons why we are in this situation in the first place... Why, is that the only way to handle trump...Trump does not respond well to all this chest pounding and rhetoric, as we have already seen on how he treats Justin....one can be diplomatic with our all the yelling and screaming...that may work in a bar, but not with other nations leaders... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 1 minute ago, PIK said: By saying PP has to work harder for your vote after 9 yrs of trudeau,tells me you are not going PP not matter what he does. Not at all, saying PP has not looked prime ministerial. Canada is in crisis with the US and Provincial Premiers have gone to the US to discuss and lobby and from PP is...crickets. I am not going to discuss, especially with you, who I may or may not vote for in 2, 4 , 6 or 8 months from now. BTW, Trudeau is gone... LOL They all have to work hard. Mellow out LOL We vote in secret, not on a forum LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 19 minutes ago, PIK said: By saying PP has to work harder for your vote after 9 yrs of trudeau,tells me you are not going PP not matter what he does. Is it safe to say you'll be voting for PP no matter what? 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: He just wants to renegotiate USMCA. This ploy is to appease his American base. USMCA is th eagreement he took all the credit for and applauded during his last term. Yet,no one is saying that "bad deal" was his LOL I find his claim that our borders are open to be nonsensical. Border people, in Canada and in US do not check people or things leaving a country, they check incoming. There is less fentanyl coming from Canada in one year than is coming into the US through Florida and Mexico in one day. Same goes for illegal aliens.... from Canada? Has the illegal alien surge come to halt at the Mexican border since trump took over?? No one talks about it anymore. Why are our politicians not saying things like that?? The American public is starting to realize his tariff ploy is costing them money, Nobody is sure any more what his objectives are, What all of this has done is expose our weak points, like the border, policing, etc...and for the first time in a very long time our governments are looking at these problems and taking some action... They are open pretty much, only 1 % of all truck and container traffic is checked by CBSA, and 0 % of train cargo is checked...getting stuff into the country is not the problem...Policing is suppose to be fighting Illegal material before it gets to the border....But yes i agree with you anything entering the US is US border services job to detect and arrest...i don't really think anyone has told the us government that....nor has our government told them about Guns and other illegal drugs entering Canada...it should be tackled from both ends, not a one way like it is being handled now... Australia made the worlds largest bust of Fentanyl that came from Canada...the fact that Fentanyl has made a 2000% increase since 2022 is telling ....pointing out that the main problem is mexico does not negate the fact that large quantities are being produced in Canada, and being shipped across the globe... https://nationalpost.com/news/a-total-act-of-bastardry-australian-police-say-countrys-biggest-fentanyl-load-came-from-canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fentanyl-crackdowns-canada-1.7451585 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is sure any more what his objectives are, What all of this has done is expose our weak points, like the border, policing, etc...and for the first time in a very long time our governments are looking at these problems and taking some action... They are open pretty much, only 1 % of all truck and container traffic is checked by CBSA, and 0 % of train cargo is checked...getting stuff into the country is not the problem...Policing is suppose to be fighting Illegal material before it gets to the border....But yes i agree with you anything entering the US is US border services job to detect and arrest...i don't really think anyone has told the us government that....nor has our government told them about Guns and other illegal drugs entering Canada...it should be tackled from both ends, not a one way like it is being handled now... Australia made the worlds largest bust of Fentanyl that came from Canada...the fact that Fentanyl has made a 2000% increase since 2022 is telling ....pointing out that the main problem is mexico does not negate the fact that large quantities are being produced in Canada, and being shipped across the globe... https://nationalpost.com/news/a-total-act-of-bastardry-australian-police-say-countrys-biggest-fentanyl-load-came-from-canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fentanyl-crackdowns-canada-1.7451585 My point was that stuff coming into a country is the problem of that country. The US has a drug and illegal alien problem but that its entirely their border control issues. and it is not coming from Canada but for some reason our politicians do not say that. We import far far more then we export We do not check outgoing...look at all the stolen cars leaving Montreal ports LOL. Neither do the Americans. We seem to think our policing is going to catch all the drugs and immigrants. Police, municipal, provincial and RCMP are constantly busting dealers and manufacturers and distributors. CBSA is the initial and primary border control point and it seems the stuff is evading them. We make very big busts too. Lets face facts, the drug problem is a user problem. We minimize and assist drug users, hence, there is a greater market for them. EDIT: As I was typing Trump once again halted the tariffs on Canada (and Mexico) until April 2. I am wondering if Canada has done or will be doing the same by postponing Canadian tariffs? Will Ontario LCBO put US booze back on the shelf? Will Ford allow electricity to flow? This to and fro shit is becoming funny. Edited March 6 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Exactly. Where’s PP? Propaganda YouTube videos just don’t cut it. Trudeau’s excellent response to the crisis is just piling on more bad news for PP. PP needs to appear with DoFo and eviscerate Trump. That will get him some votes. Is he able to criticize Trump in such a way. He’s impotent in taking advantage of this crisis. He's been giving speech after speech, he has appeared and answered quetsions, he's been front and center and i dont' mean 'youtube'. So i can see why you're voting for carney, you're ALSO dishonest and you have so much in common. Trudeau's response is 'ok' at best. He's given some good speeches - he IS an actor after all. But we've achieved nothing. ANd carney is slipping in the polls again. As i point out the polls currently point to a strong cpc majority and i suspect he'll slip even further. 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: My point was that stuff coming into a country is the problem of that country. The US has a drug and illegal alien problem but that its entirely their border control issues. and it is not coming from Canada but for some reason our politicians do not say that. We import far far more then we export We do not check outgoing...look at all the stolen cars leaving Montreal ports LOL. Neither do the Americans. We seem to think our policing is going to catch all the drugs and immigrants. Police, municipal, provincial and RCMP are constantly busting dealers and manufacturers and distributors. CBSA is the initial and primary border control point and it seems the stuff is evading them. We make very big busts too. Lets face facts, the drug problem is a user problem. We minimize and assist drug users, hence, there is a greater market for them. This is true. It is not our job to secure the American Border and it never has been. At best we can agree to joint operations to patrol the borders and stretch our resources further on both sides. But America is responsible for what crosses into America, not Canada. And let's keep it real, most of the fence in all is being shipped across the border points not smuggled on foot or packed mule train in the wilderness or something Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 16 hours ago, CdnFox said: He's ..... This is true. It is not our job to secure the American Border and it never has been. At best we can agree to joint operations to patrol the borders and stretch our resources further on both sides. But America is responsible for what crosses into America, not Canada. And let's keep it real, most of the fence in all is being shipped across the border points not smuggled on foot or packed mule train in the wilderness or something I believe our Police forces are doing a great job but our CBSA is failing badly...as badly as the American CBP and Homeland Security. Taking from an old baseball expression, build a new drug and they will come As I was typing a previous response Trump once again halted the tariffs on Canada (and Mexico) until April 2. I am wondering if Canada has done or will be doing the same by postponing Canadian tariffs? Will Ontario LCBO put US booze back on the shelf? Will Ford allow electricity to flow? This to and fro shit is becoming funny. Also, how long do you think the "Buy Canadian" and boycott American stuff will go on? I think the last time the sentiment went away pretty quickly. ( I think the last one was about 5 years ago but there had been previous ones) Edited March 7 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CdnFox Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I believeoOur Police forces are doing a great job but our CBSA is failing badly...as badly as the American CBP and Homeland Security. Taking from an old baseball expression, build a new drug and they will come As I was typing a previous response Trump once again halted the tariffs on Canada (and Mexico) until April 2. I am wondering if Canada has done or will be doing the same by postponing Canadian tariffs? Will Ontario LCBO put US booze back on the shelf? Will Ford allow electricity to flow? This to and fro shit is becoming funny. Also, how long do you think the "Buy Canadian" and boycott American stuff will go on? I think the last time the sentiment went away pretty quickly. ( I think the last one was about 5 years ago but there had been previous ones) canada has been pretty firm that all of our tariffs stay on until all of the American tariffs are gone. To be honest regardless of the pain I think we should be ratcheting it up. I think we should put 100% export tariffs on every energy source and if it results in layoffs then we have to pay those workers unemployment until the situation is resolved however long that is. The fact is trump has midterms coming up. If the American economy is suffering and inflation is up and business investment is down then a lot of people may consider voting for the democrats. Almost all of the seats in the upcoming midterms are currently republican, if they manage to flip even 15 of them there will be enough democrats in the senate to impeach trump and make it stick. Trump cannot afford to go into the next midterms with a crippled economy and angry population. We should be capitalizing on that and hurting him every single way that we can to drive up outrage as to his actions 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: My point was that stuff coming into a country is the problem of that country. The US has a drug and illegal alien problem but that its entirely their border control issues. and it is not coming from Canada but for some reason our politicians do not say that. We import far far more then we export We do not check outgoing...look at all the stolen cars leaving Montreal ports LOL. Neither do the Americans. We seem to think our policing is going to catch all the drugs and immigrants. Police, municipal, provincial and RCMP are constantly busting dealers and manufacturers and distributors. CBSA is the initial and primary border control point and it seems the stuff is evading them. We make very big busts too. Lets face facts, the drug problem is a user problem. We minimize and assist drug users, hence, there is a greater market for them. EDIT: As I was typing Trump once again halted the tariffs on Canada (and Mexico) until April 2. I am wondering if Canada has done or will be doing the same by postponing Canadian tariffs? Will Ontario LCBO put US booze back on the shelf? Will Ford allow electricity to flow? This to and fro shit is becoming funny. I agree somewhat, RCMP and other policing agencies have been cut to the bone, and can not support the level of manpower it is going to take to dent the drugs in or around Canada. Increasing their budgets could produce better results...Just as CBSA, if you think that checking just 1 % of all trucks and containers, and 0 % of trains is enough , then your part of the problem....increasing their budget is also needed and not just by what they have done so far....which really is peanuts, i mean we just spent 38 bil on day care right....that funding could solve a lot of problems...like border, policing , artic bases, more on defence, more on CSIS, Coast guard, immigration....instead justin was only thinking about his legacy before he left....and not what the country needed....i can't wait for the election We barely check incoming....like 1 % of all incoming traffic....why is that lack of proper equipment, lack of manpower... I seem to think we could be doing a much better job than what is being done today, each one of those departments have been skinned to the bone....they have been in the media saying just that....while Canadians roll over and go back to sleep...blaming trump for our woes....Canadian policing agency are doing what they can , but are limited due to lack of manpower and equipment...it is the same story over and over again.... Bullshit now lets blame the user....they are going to find it anywhere....well this nation is not doing it very well is it....when you only check 1 % thats not the effort that is required to keep our kids safe....and then zero % on all trains....shit you could smuggle in a elephant stuffed with cocaine and not get caught... 50,000 canadians have their lives taken by just fentanyl alone since 2016....100,000 Americans die every year due to this drug.....why would we not want to declare war on these mother truckers....NOPE....instead we need to fight a trade war....Trump has said we did not do enough...did justin offer to do more...that's his job right, what did we get instead tariffs...because justin failed diplomacy...and now we pay.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 11 hours ago, Army Guy said: I agree somewhat, R ..it is the same story over and over again.... Bullshit now lets blame the user....they are going to find it anywhere....well this nation is not doing it very well is it....when you only check 1 % thats not the effort that is required to keep our kids safe....and then zero % on all trains....shit you could smuggle in a elephant stuffed with cocaine and not get caught... 50,000 canadians have their lives taken by just fentanyl alone since 2016....100,000 Americans die every year due to this drug.....why would we not want to declare war on these mother truckers....NOPE....instead we need to fight a trade war....Trump has said we did not do enough...did justin offer to do more...that's his job right, what did we get instead tariffs...because justin failed diplomacy...and now we pay.... I am not sure what you are claiming as bullshit. I did say our CBSA is not doing enough. I used to cross the border to and from the US regularly (land and air), several times a month and the CBSA was more interested if I had cigarettes and booze LOL We have "declared war" on the mothertruckers for decades (or so they say). The trade war is less than 2 months old. I was making the point that as long as there are drug users, there will be a market and there will be people getting them the product. So, instead of enforcement, we cuddle and provide safe spaces, equipment and in some provinces even the products. So yes, the users are the problem because as long as there are users, there will be a supply chain. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
PIK Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Who is "looking for a reason to vote carney"? When did I ever say that?? Again, I said "I am not a Carney fan but PP has to work harder to convince us he is the prime minister of choice, not by default. " You seem to think PP is better than anyone else... LOL Why are you obsessed at making PP the better candidate?? PP is a politician, never has been anything else. Has not real world experience except playing politics. You can put lipstick on any politician but they are still a politician. I have not decided who to vote for and am not a fan of anyone or any party. They have to convince me. I will not vote for someone just because. We will see how carney acts and reacts when he is PM next Sunday. Will PP become prime minister material then?? You keep saying "work harder". What does he need to do to win your support ? Kiss your ring? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 21 hours ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is sure any more what his objectives are, What all of this has done is expose our weak points, like the border, policing, etc...and for the first time in a very long time our governments are looking at these problems and taking some action... They are open pretty much, only 1 % of all truck and container traffic is checked by CBSA, and 0 % of train cargo is checked...getting stuff into the country is not the problem...Policing is suppose to be fighting Illegal material before it gets to the border....But yes i agree with you anything entering the US is US border services job to detect and arrest...i don't really think anyone has told the us government that....nor has our government told them about Guns and other illegal drugs entering Canada...it should be tackled from both ends, not a one way like it is being handled now... Australia made the worlds largest bust of Fentanyl that came from Canada...the fact that Fentanyl has made a 2000% increase since 2022 is telling ....pointing out that the main problem is mexico does not negate the fact that large quantities are being produced in Canada, and being shipped across the globe... https://nationalpost.com/news/a-total-act-of-bastardry-australian-police-say-countrys-biggest-fentanyl-load-came-from-canada https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fentanyl-crackdowns-canada-1.7451585 And so far PP is thf only one that is serious about fixing that. Major jail terms with no revolving door (bail) like our jails do now. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 13 minutes ago, PIK said: You keep saying "work harder". What does he need to do to win your support ? Kiss your ring? Work harder?? Who? When did I say that? Kiss my ring"??? For what? Why is it so important that I vote PP?? Has he got his hand up your ass like Trudeau had with Freeland??? LOL. PP's Puppet Pik??? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CouchPotato Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Not at all, saying PP has not looked prime ministerial. Canada is in crisis with the US and Provincial Premiers have gone to the US to discuss and lobby and from PP is...crickets. Well you realize that Pierre is not Prime Minister, right. Sure he is leader of his party, but he is an MP. He is not a premier. He represents his riding. He isn't really in much of a position to hold discussions. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 17 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Well you realize that Pierre is not Prime Minister, right. Sure he is leader of his party, but he is an MP. He is not a premier. He represents his riding. He isn't really in much of a position to hold discussions. When and where did I ever say he was the PM?? What is your point?? No, he represents all of Canada for a Conservative, leader of the offical opposition. Yes, he is in a very high postilion to have discussions...he is just not in a position to make national agreements....just like the Premiers Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CouchPotato Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: No, he represents all of Canada for a Conservative, leader of the offical opposition. Yes, he is in a very high postilion to have discussions...he is just not in a position to make national agreements....just like the Premiers He doesn't hold any political office which allows him to make decisions representing all of Canada. The Premiers are in position to implement counter measures. Pierre currently represents maybe one hundred or two hundred thousand people. Any discussions on his part would be meaningless, and just for optics --- to look Prime Ministerial, as you say. And if he did that he would be getting skewered for acting above his position. Quote
PIK Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Work harder?? Who? When did I say that? Kiss my ring"??? For what? Why is it so important that I vote PP?? Has he got his hand up your ass like Trudeau had with Freeland??? LOL. PP's Puppet Pik??? Go back and reread what you said. PP needs to work harder to get you to vote for him. He's done the hard work , all the libs are doing now is stealing every policy PP has come out with. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: He doesn't hold any political office which allows him to make decisions representing all of Canada. The Premiers are in position to implement counter measures. Pierre currently represents maybe one hundred or two hundred thousand people. Any discussions on his part would be meaningless, and just for optics --- to look Prime Ministerial, as you say. And if he did that he would be getting skewered for acting above his position. He does not have to make any decision. He can certainly go and meet with other world leaders. For gawds sake man, he is an important man in Canada and can display it. He can very much visit other countries. Even our MPs do that. He has met with visiting foreign dignitaries. Wake up man...smell political reality LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PIK said: Go back and reread what you said. PP needs to work harder to get you to vote for him. He's done the hard work , all the libs are doing now is stealing every policy PP has come out with. OMG!!! All parties need to work hard to get my vote. Up until very recently the only policy PP had was "axe the tax" LOL Do you get commission from PP for every vote you get?? You are worse than Jehovah Witness sales people at my door LOL Edited March 7 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
TreeBeard Posted March 7 Author Report Posted March 7 Poilievre can’t be seen to his Maple MAGA base as insulting the orange man. This is dragging PP down in the polls with normal people. 1 Quote
CouchPotato Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: He does not have to make any decision. He can certainly go and meet with other world leaders. Sure he can meet with people. But he can't really do anything meaningful with regard to the trade war. Who would you suggest he meet with? It would just be optics, and quite likely bad ones. The media would play it up as Pierre acting above his position, butting in where he has no business because he is only elected to represent Carelton, and you would quite likely be parroting that talking point. Quote He has met with visiting foreign dignitaries. No doubt. But that is not the same thing. Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, CouchPotato said: Sure he can meet with people. But he can't really do anything meaningful with regard to the trade war. Who would you suggest he meet with? It would just be optics, and quite likely bad ones. The media would play it up as Pierre acting above his position, butting in where he has no business because he is only elected to represent Carelton, and you would quite likely be parroting that talking point. No doubt. But that is not the same thing. He can be meaningful if he so chooses. Absolutely it is optics. Show Canadians that he cares ...as much as the premiers at least. So, you are saying the potential leader of the country is "butting in" to issues he will be adopting??? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CouchPotato Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Just now, ExFlyer said: He can be meaningful if he so chooses. Absolutely it is optics. Show Canadians that he cares ...as much as the premiers at least. Once again, though, those premiers are in an entirely different position. They can have meaningful discussion because they are elected to an office where they can make concessions to demands or implement repercussions. Quote So, you are saying the potential leader of the country is "butting in" to issues he will be adopting??? It would be spun that way. He is not elected to any higher office than MP of Carleton. So if he does this, the immediate response is, "Who authorized you to interfere in trade talks?" Potential leader would be more meaningful if we were talking about a politician on the other side of the border. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Poilievre can’t be seen to his Maple MAGA base as insulting the orange man. This is dragging PP down in the polls with normal people. It must be tough, living your life based on hatred and bigotry like that 1 Quote
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