Trump chooses dishonour in Europe

robosmith · February 18

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And do what? Expand into North Korea? China? Japan? Attack a NATO country?

Grab a map, dummy.

So dumb.

What terms? Why would Russia take over all that territory and then give it back? What would be the point?

"Hey, let's just do a bunch of killing, then when it's over, we'll just go back to our old boundaries.

FYI ending a war doesn't encourage further violence. Tens of thousands of lives could have been saved.

Xi just watched NATO deplete their stockpile of weapons in a senseless war where America's "ally" (proxy) just lost 30,000 sq km of valuable land, not including Crimea.

China was just stockpiling weapons that whole time, and analyzing the performance of America's weaponry.

Nothing is depleted here except mostly old weapons being replaced with new. IOW, you don't know what's going on at all.

Nationalist · February 18

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing is depleted here except mostly old weapons being replaced with new. IOW, you don't know what's going on at all.

Well I know what's going on. Trump is ending a stupid war that never should have happened.

You're lamenting that. You think the USA should fund and even send soldiers to Ukraine to fight this stupid war. And why? Because Russia will attack all of Europe next.

But then again...you've been so wrong about everything that it's safe to say that doing what you want would end in even more disaster.

I am Groot · February 18

On 2/16/2025 at 11:25 PM, Aristides said:

Did you bother to read it?

I was responding to: From the Post which is so right wing we call it the Nazional Post!

I would think my question entirely appropriate.

On 2/16/2025 at 11:25 PM, Aristides said:

The Post is definitely right wing but certainly not Nazi by any stretch of the imagination.

Which was my point.

And it's not even all that right-wing either.

I am Groot · February 18

On 2/16/2025 at 7:04 PM, herbie said:

Anyone that can notice every front page is covered with anri-Trudeau, anti-Liberal Party and Negativism about Canada headlines.
Which you believe is normal unbiased journalism.

Okay. I just went to the NP site and these are the main front page stories. I see one story about the federal Liberals. And nothing that even remotely strikes me, or should strike any well-adjusted person as resembling Nazis.

"It's upside down': Delta plane crashes at Toronto Pearson Airport and everyone survives.
Trump waved a 1908 treaty as ammo in his disputes with Canada. Here's what you need to know.
Dangerous landings at Canadian airports a longstanding concern for aviation
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First reading: How to actually Trump-proof the Canadian economy
Canada's doctors can't practice anywhere in the country due to interprovincial barriers.
Flights resume at Pearson after crash Monday, investigators...
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Michael Maisonneuve: Only an election can save Canada from the old, tired Liberals
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I am Groot · February 18

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Well I know what's going on. Trump is ending a stupid war that never should have happened.

By surrendering.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

You're lamenting that. You think the USA should fund and even send soldiers to Ukraine to fight this stupid war. And why? Because Russia will attack all of Europe next.

Well, to begin with, the United States pledged to guarantee Ukraine's national sovereignty when it helped convince them to give up the nuclear weapons that were within its borders and left over from when it was a Soviet republic.

Second. Absent war in Ukraine, Russia is at a huge advantage to NATO in that its military has been on a war footing for three years. The flow of weapons and resupply has begun to catch up to the chaos of its first year, and it has 50 heavy brigades it could shift to the West to attack any portion of NATO it chooses to.

By contrast, Germany and France might, with some warning, be able to field 1 brigade each. The UK would need a month to do the same. And they have very little ammunition. After long, complicated bidding and contracting processes, many of the contracts to resupply them with missiles, bombs, and artillery shells are just now being let. NATO air forces are better than Russia's (don't be mistaken by Ukraine. Russia held back all its best aircraft in case of NATO) but they don't have many missiles and would likely shoot themselves dry fairly quickly and then be useless without resupply. The Germans pledged to double military spending after Russia invaded Ukraine. A recent report says their military readiness is lower than it was three years ago amid the bureaucracy and red tape of trying to buy weapons and a manpower shortage. There is much internal opposition to spending more on the military anyway.

In other words, Europe is fat, dumb and if not happy at least whistling past the graveyard. It could in no way defend itself from Russia today. Not even close. Not without the US. And while US help was once assured, it no longer is. Trump's latest cost-cutting musings are that he wants to cut military spending by 50%.

He's definitely the best investment Russia ever put money into.

I am Groot · February 18

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing is depleted here except mostly old weapons being replaced with new. IOW, you don't know what's going on at all.

Germany essentially has no artillery or anti-air capability. Neither does Canada. Half their aircraft are not combat ready, and those that are have few missiles - again, not unlike Canada. Most of NATO, aside from Poland, isn't in much better shape. The UK has been downsizing its military to save money. Ukraine has a bigger, tougher, more experienced military than the UK, France, Germany and Italy combined. And without the US, none of them could sustain combat more than a week or two before running out of ammunition.

Russia has really ramped up weapons production in the last three years. While Western countries are still conducting reports and bidding processes and negotiating contracts, the Russians simply ordered factories to go to three shifts and ordered more factories built. No environmental studies. No NYMBY protests. No court challenges, bidding processes, or negotiations needed.

The Canadian government, meanwhile, continues to say there isn't a business case to subsidize an existing Canadian artillery shell producer to expand production. Nor has it made any effort to replace the artillery shells it sent to Ukraine. Nor, for that matter, to replace its own 50-year-old artillery with modern, mobile artillery, nor to replace its broken down old tanks. It still has no armed drones (nor do most NATO nations) while Russia has many thousands, with more being produced.

I am Groot · February 18

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden could have ended it 3 weeks before Trump's inauguration.