herbie Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 Following Ukraine betrayal, U.S. no longer deserves seat at G7, NATO “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.” This was the verdict the backbench Conservative MP for Epping, Winston Churchill, delivered to his own prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, after Chamberlain’s return from meetings with German Chancellor Adolf Hitler in Munich, in September 1938. The Munich Agreement allowed Nazi Germany to annex Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland in return for Hitler’s promise that he would go no further. Six months later, the Nazis took all of Czechoslovakia. Then, with the connivance of Joseph Stalin’s Russia, Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939. Two days later, Britain was at war. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trump-chooses-dishonour-in-europe From the Post which is so right wing we call it the Nazional Post! 2 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 52 minutes ago, herbie said: From the Post which is so right wing we call it the Nazional Post! Who is 'we'? The hard left who have no judgment or wisdom? 1 Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: Who is 'we' Anyone that can notice every front page is covered with anri-Trudeau, anti-Liberal Party and Negativism about Canada headlines. Which you believe is normal unbiased journalism. Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 1 hour ago, User said: Yet another stupid thread. Another one beyond your intellectual capability? Too hard to understand? Appeasement to unite Russian speaking people is completely different than uniting all German speaking people. Even when you're not buying time to build up, you're already beating them by proxy? 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, herbie said: Anyone that can notice every front page is covered with anri-Trudeau, anti-Liberal Party and Negativism about Canada headlines. Which you believe is normal unbiased journalism. Whatever it is it's not Nazism. Quote
Aristides Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 6 hours ago, I am Groot said: Who is 'we'? The hard left who have no judgment or wisdom? Did you bother to read it? The Post is definitely right wing but certainly not Nazi by any stretch of the imagination. Quote
Deluge Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 18 hours ago, herbie said: Following Ukraine betrayal, U.S. no longer deserves seat at G7, NATO “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.” This was the verdict the backbench Conservative MP for Epping, Winston Churchill, delivered to his own prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, after Chamberlain’s return from meetings with German Chancellor Adolf Hitler in Munich, in September 1938. The Munich Agreement allowed Nazi Germany to annex Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland in return for Hitler’s promise that he would go no further. Six months later, the Nazis took all of Czechoslovakia. Then, with the connivance of Joseph Stalin’s Russia, Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939. Two days later, Britain was at war. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trump-chooses-dishonour-in-europe From the Post which is so right wing we call it the Nazional Post! herpes just wants the slaughter back. 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Last year Europe spent billions on US equipment and Trump insists they should buy even more from the US. Given Trump’s many threats and general unreliability, that has to change. There are many excellent European companies with products often cheaper than the nearest comparable American model and a big jump in demand would make their products even better. Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 4 hours ago, Deluge said: herpes just wants the slaughter back. What a stupid conclusion Mr SurrenderMonkey. Give up right now and become our 11th Province. Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 So the Orange Traitor is talking with Putin again without Ukranian involvement. And now demanding 50% of Ukraine's resources as reparations. Unethical scumbag in the White House reversing everything the USA has claimed to stand for. 4 Quote
Deluge Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 1 minute ago, herbie said: What a stupid conclusion Mr SurrenderMonkey. Give up right now and become our 11th Province. No, stupid. Mr. Bigger Stick - always. Remember: diplomacy/negotiations first, war last - the exact opposite of what you shemales want. Get it right. 1 minute ago, herbie said: So the Orange Traitor is talking with Putin again without Ukranian involvement. And now demanding 50% of Ukraine's resources as reparations. Unethical scumbag in the White House reversing everything the USA has claimed to stand for. Link it, whore. I want to see where you're getting your information (or misinformation). Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 Oh I have my eyes and ears open unlike a Trumpalo. Worship the Insane Clown. Quote
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 23 minutes ago, herbie said: So the Orange Traitor is talking with Putin again without Ukranian involvement. And now demanding 50% of Ukraine's resources as reparations. Unethical scumbag in the White House reversing everything the USA has claimed to stand for. Nothing stopping Canada from spending more and sending more. Why doesn't Canada stand for Ukraine freedom more? Quote
herbie Posted February 17 Author Report Posted February 17 Why don't you speed up the production and delivery of the stuff we bought from you to give to them? 4 minutes ago, User said: Why doesn't Canada stand for Ukraine freedom more? You dragging your feet to stop us maybe? Defenders of democracy you are no longer. Even Europe talking you're no longer needed nor trustworthy in NATO. Shame to watch the downhill slide, disgusting to hear Americans cheering as they go down it. 1 Quote
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Just now, herbie said: Why don't you speed up the production and delivery of the stuff we bought from you to give to them? Sending Ukraine more cash and your own weapons systems doesn't depend on us. Why doesn't Canada have a better industrial base to support military efforts on their own? You have had 3 years to build them up to support Ukraine. 1 minute ago, herbie said: You dragging your feet to stop us maybe? How are we stopping you? 1 minute ago, herbie said: Defenders of democracy you are no longer. Even Europe talking you're no longer needed nor trustworthy in NATO. Shame to watch the downhill slide, disgusting to hear Americans cheering as they go down it. If we are no longer, then you never were. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Chamberlain's failure: His actions resulted in the start of a war that caused tens of millions of deaths. Booo Chamberlain!!!! Trump's "failure": His actions will result in the end of a war that has already caused tens of thousands of deaths (Booo??), and the war will basically end where the battle lines are currently drawn, as wars do. (Booo??) Is ^that^ about right? Do some of you stupid f'ks think that Trump was just going to walk into the WH, wave a wand, and make Putin just give up all the land that Russia gained at the cost of all those lives and all those tanks, planes, drone, missiles, etc? Just give it up for nothing? If Biden couldn't get Putin to stop where he was, before the war started, or on day 1, then what makes you all think that he's just going to give it all back now? How does this make Trump a failure and Biden not? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Chamberlain's failure: His actions resulted in the start of a war that caused tens of millions of deaths. Booo Chamberlain!!!! Trump's "failure": His actions will result in the end of a war that has already caused tens of thousands of deaths (Booo??), and the war will basically end where the battle lines are currently drawn, as wars do. (Booo??) Is ^that^ about right? You are never right to ASSume YOU KNOW what's going to happen. For all you know, Putin might be emboldened to invade MORE European countries. 11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Do some of you stupid f'ks think that Trump was just going to walk into the WH, wave a wand, and make Putin just give up all the land that Russia gained at the cost of all those lives and all those tanks, planes, drone, missiles, etc? Just give it up for nothing? He SAID he would stop the war before taking office. Didn't FOS LIES tell you about that? LMAO 11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: If Biden couldn't get Putin to stop where he was, before the war started, or on day 1, then what makes you all think that he's just going to give it all back now? How does this make Trump a failure and Biden not? Trump PROMISED MUCH and DELIVERED NOTHING CLOSE to HIS PROMISES. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, herbie said: So the Orange Traitor is talking with Putin again without Ukranian involvement. There's nothing wrong with that, according to the theory that this is just a Russian invasion. If it's a Russian invasion then all that's required for it to end is for Russia to stop invading, right? Quote And now demanding 50% of Ukraine's resources as reparations. What's worse, the fact that Trump just keeps talking about taking over everything, or the fact that his biggest critics are never upset about it? Where's CNN's ire? In a recent interview with Fox News, Trump said he wanted the U.S. to get $500 billion worth of Ukraine’s rare earth minerals, and signaled Kyiv had “essentially agreed to do so.” Is this really "reparations"? Did the US give Ukraine $500B in aid? When the US was giving Ukraine aid, was there some kind of agreement that the US would want to get back double what they gave in mineral resources? This seems like a bit of a reverse-negotiation. How stupid is Zelensky? Why doesn't he just talk to RPutin himself, and end the war on their terms, without the $500B for the US? Quote Unethical scumbag in the White House reversing everything the USA has claimed to stand for. Who cares? Does CNN care? Do the Dems care? Does NBC care? No one cares, herbie. The Dems and CNN are all busy crying because Musk isn't elected. They're not raging about America's threats against a whole bunch of other countries. The US MSM is every bit as complicit in all of Trump's threats as the German media was in the 1930s. Edited February 17 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 One thing that Trump has lost sight of here, is that the US was dirty dealing in Ukraine for a long time before this war started, and there's a lot that's swept under the rug right now. This war IS a US proxy war, and Zelensky knows that. His role, as the professional actor that he truly is, was to play the defiant victim while Russia was forced to be the big bad bear. So right now, as Trump's bending Zelensky over a barrel, trying to add insult to injury by stealing Ukraine's mineral wealth while the country is just looking at a painful rebuilding process due to America's proxy war, there's a level of resentment that Trump can't even fathom, which he obviously hasn't taken into account. Ukraine can't actually do much, but they can leak a lot. Lefties: if leaks come out of Ukraine right now, which are serious enough to spur a twelfth impeachment of Trump, will the Dems be all over it, or are they really ok with the status quo in Ukraine right now and they'd rather just let it go so that the US can grab all of those minerals? Do the Dems want the $500B or the impeachment? 🤔 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 21 minutes ago, robosmith said: You are never right to ASSume YOU KNOW what's going to happen. For all you know, Putin might be emboldened to invade MORE European countries. What am I assuming? That the war will end? Of course the war will end. Ukraine is sick of it, and Russia is sick of it. If trump took over two years ago, the war would have ended two years ago. Quote He SAID he would stop the war before taking office. Didn't FOS LIES tell you about that? LMAO The war is well over a thousand days old. 4 years. So it seems like it will stop in less than 1 month after Trump's inauguration. Is that such a 'failure'? Why didn't Biden end it 12 months ago? 24 months ago? If he did then there would be several thousand people still alive, and the Russian border wouldn't have expanded by as much. Wouldn't it be a miraculous success if Trump could get all those lives and all that land back? It was on the table when Biden was POTUS. It is not on the table now. Dunce POTUS = opportunity missed. Quote Trump PROMISED MUCH and DELIVERED NOTHING CLOSE to HIS PROMISES. He promised to end a 4-yr war on day one, but it took him 3 weeks and change. Biden could have ended it 3 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 6 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 9 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 12 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 24 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 36 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 48 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 60 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 72 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 100 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 125 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 150 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 175 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 200 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden didn't even try. Biden didn't even talk about trying. Biden didn't even talk about a reason to try. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
robosmith Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: What am I assuming? That the war will end? You're assuming that Putin won't be emboldened by his success and continue war elsewhere. 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Of course the war will end. Ukraine is sick of it, and Russia is sick of it. If trump took over two years ago, the war would have ended two years ago. IF Trump ends Putin's conquest it will be by surrender. 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The war is well over a thousand days old. 4 years. So it seems like it will stop in less than 1 month after Trump's inauguration. Is that such a 'failure'? Depends on the terms. 16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Why didn't Biden end it 12 months ago? 24 months ago? If he did then there would be several thousand people still alive, and the Russian border wouldn't have expanded by as much. Wouldn't it be a miraculous success if Trump could get all those lives and all that land back? It was on the table when Biden was POTUS. It is not on the table now. Dunce POTUS = opportunity missed. He promised to end a 4-yr war on day one, but it took him 3 weeks and change. Biden could have ended it 3 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 6 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 9 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 12 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 24 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 36 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 48 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 60 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 72 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 100 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 125 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 150 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 175 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden could have ended it 200 weeks before Trump's inauguration. Biden didn't even try. Biden didn't even talk about trying. Biden didn't even talk about a reason to try. Biden wasn't willing to encourage further violence by forcing Zelensky to surrender. Xi is watching and will also be emboldened by Trump's forcing Zelensky to surrender. 1 1 Quote
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, robosmith said: Biden wasn't willing to encourage further violence by forcing Zelensky to surrender. Xi is watching and will also be emboldened by Trump's forcing Zelensky to surrender. How is Zelensky being forced to surrender? Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 2 hours ago, robosmith said: You're assuming that Putin won't be emboldened by his success and continue war elsewhere. And do what? Expand into North Korea? China? Japan? Attack a NATO country? Grab a map, dummy. Quote IF Trump ends Putin's conquest it will be by surrender. So dumb. Quote Depends on the terms. What terms? Why would Russia take over all that territory and then give it back? What would be the point? "Hey, let's just do a bunch of killing, then when it's over, we'll just go back to our old boundaries. Quote Biden wasn't willing to encourage further violence by forcing Zelensky to surrender. FYI ending a war doesn't encourage further violence. Tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. Quote Xi is watching and will also be emboldened by Trump's forcing Zelensky to surrender. Xi just watched NATO deplete their stockpile of weapons in a senseless war where America's "ally" (proxy) just lost 30,000 sq km of valuable land, not including Crimea. China was just stockpiling weapons that whole time, and analyzing the performance of America's weaponry. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
CdnFox Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 On 2/16/2025 at 1:05 PM, herbie said: Following Ukraine betrayal, U.S. no longer deserves seat at G7, NATO “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.” This was the verdict the backbench Conservative MP for Epping, Winston Churchill, delivered to his own prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, after Chamberlain’s return from meetings with German Chancellor Adolf Hitler in Munich, in September 1938. The Munich Agreement allowed Nazi Germany to annex Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland in return for Hitler’s promise that he would go no further. Six months later, the Nazis took all of Czechoslovakia. Then, with the connivance of Joseph Stalin’s Russia, Germany invaded Poland on Sept. 1, 1939. Two days later, Britain was at war. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trump-chooses-dishonour-in-europe From the Post which is so right wing we call it the Nazional Post! So you're saying obama was basically chamberlin when he allowed russia to annex crimea. I can see how you'd see it that way. I think there's a little bit of a difference but yes, it's a shame they didn't do more then Quote
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