CdnFox Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Freeland calls for summit of nations targeted by Trump | Financial Post I figured something like this would happen. I'm a little surprised that Canada is initiating it, I thought others might be ahead of us but something like this will be inevitable. Unfortunately doing it while you're not in power is simply going to p*ss trump off before you have the ability to address it. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) Plain stupid. According to Professor Ian Lee of Carleton University, the main trade irritants that the U.S. has with Canada are well documented in the USTR (United States Trade Representative) reports. Every country the U.S. trades with has it's own report and 'irritants'. Protectionist policies of 'supply management' Telecom Act which shuts out U.S. telecom providers Banking Act with its protectionist measures to shut out U.S. banks The airline industry and its protectionist measures And most recently digital taxes that discriminate against U.S. digital giants According to Lee, Trump and his economic advisors see tariffs as a tool to leverage other countries into opening up their markets to U.S. firms. What our politicians should be doing is sitting down with the Americans, opening up our free trade agreement and be prepared to put all our sacred cows on the table, in return for guarantees of no tariffs. 'To fight American protectionism is to get rid of our own protectionism'. Edited January 28 by suds 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, suds said: Plain stupid. According to Professor Ian Lee of Carleton University, the main trade irritants that the U.S. has with Canada are well documented in the USTR (United States Trade Representative) reports. Every country the U.S. trades with has it's own report and 'irritants'. Protectionist policies of 'supply management' Telecom Act which shuts out U.S. telecom providers Banking Act with its protectionist measures to shut out U.S. banks The airline industry and its protectionist measures And most recently digital taxes that discriminate against U.S. digital giants According to Lee, Trump and his economic advisors see tariffs as a tool to leverage other countries into opening up their markets to U.S. firms. What our politicians should be doing is sitting down with the Americans, opening up our free trade agreement and be prepared to put all our sacred cows on the table, in return for guarantees of no tariffs. 'To fight American protectionism is to get rid of our own protectionism'. but as Ian Lee has said, the Liberals welcome Trump as their saviour the Liberals replace Trudeau with Carney, then they run against Trump as the defenders of Canada while portraying Poillievre as a pro-Trump Quisling then the Liberals get to do what they want to do anyways; which is to tariff and subsidize Canadian industry as a result because that is the source of all their power 1 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) Lee is very fond of the sound of his own voice. The US dairy industry depends on illegal workers and subsidies to keep its milk absurdly cheap and there are issues about additives like rBST as well. Essentially, Trump is demanding we accept the proceeds of crime. Nobody should want US banks here. We saw the chaos that broke out in 2007-2009 down there and with the ‘light touch’ (ie absent) regulation Trump wants, that scenario could easily recur. I don’t think our banks should be allowed to dabble in the US either, eg TD. We need to tighten up regulation, not loosen it. Digital taxes are entirely reasonable and will probably appear in many countries outside the US and China in due course. These US media giants have destroyed local media, bringing discord, disinformation and Lord knows what damage to kids while paying bugger all taxes in their main markets. Telecom - be my guest, America. The local oligarchies have made fortunes but provide dreadful service. This industry cries out for disruption. We don’t need any Canadian content there as long as any foreign firms pay a fair rate for using existing infrastructure. Airlines - let’s see what you can do. This is a tough market to serve completely. I’d like to see foreign airlines phased in. Edited January 28 by SpankyMcFarland 1 Quote
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 22 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Lee is very fond of the sound of his own voice. The US dairy industry depends on illegal workers and subsidies to keep its milk absurdly cheap and there are issues about additives like bST as well. Essentially, Trump is demanding we accept the proceeds of crime. Nobody should want US banks here. We saw the chaos that broke out in 2007-2009 down there and with the ‘light touch’ (ie absent) regulation Trump wants, that scenario could easily recur. I don’t think our banks should be allowed to dabble in the US either, eg TD. We need to tighten up regulation, not loosen it. Digital taxes are entirely reasonable and will probably appear in many countries outside and the US and China in due course. These US media giants have destroyed local media, bringing discord, disinformation and Lord knows what damage to kids while paying bugger all taxes in their main markets. Telecom - be my guest, America. The local oligarchies have made fortunes but provide dreadful service. This industry cries out for disruption. We don’t need any Canadian content there as long as any foreign firms pay a fair rate for using existing infrastructure. Airlines - let’s see what you can do. This is a tough market to serve completely. I’d like to see foreign airlines phased in. Aren't all banks either foreign or domestic regulated by Canadian regulators? And what about dairy products and other foodstuffs? Are they not regulated to a certain extent to meet Canadian standards? When one considers a 25% tariff on all Canadian exports which makes the more sense? A trade-off or a trade war? Quote
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 34 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Lee is very fond of the sound of his own voice. Just out of interest, why do you say that? Over the years I've listened to Lee countless times on the radio and enjoyed every minute of it. There's nothing political about him either. And there are more than a few experts who agree with him that a trade war with the U.S. does nobody any good especially us. And I agree with Doug that our politicians are using this emergency to only further their political goals. And if you don't agree with their madness then you're a traitor. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 1 minute ago, suds said: Aren't all banks either foreign or domestic regulated by Canadian regulators? And what about dairy products and other foodstuffs? Are they not regulated to a certain extent to meet Canadian standards? When one considers a 25% tariff on all Canadian exports which makes the more sense? A trade-off or a trade war? But why bring a bank in whose parent could go bust in another country? Our banking system is fraying at the edges but it’s one of the better run sectors in this country. It’s an area where the free market needs to be strictly controlled if disaster is to be avoided. Again with the milk, why can’t Americans be honest for once and admit that a very large proportion of it is produced by undocumented workers? They just can’t bear to confront the truth. I believe American milk does not meet current Canadian standards on leukocyte count or the presence of recombinant bovine somatotropin? https://albertamilk.com/ask-dairy-farmer/difference-canadian-american-milk/ That’s not a big deal either way. We could change our standards and not harm people IMO. I’m more exercised by US hypocrisy on its dairy workforce. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, suds said: Just out of interest, why do you say that? Over the years I've listened to Lee countless times on the radio and enjoyed every minute of it. There's nothing political about him either. And there are more than a few experts who agree with him that a trade war with the U.S. does nobody any good especially us. And I agree with Doug that our politicians are using this emergency to only further their political goals. And if you don't agree with their madness then you're a traitor. I don’t like the way he debates with other people and the confidence with which he makes predictions. I’ve never seen him go back over all those predictions and assess how accurate he has been. Some years ago he was in a panel with a female economist on CBC and he just talked over her constantly. There is a great deal political about him from my point of view. Edited January 28 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Ok Spanky, just answer my simple question. What do you want.... trade-off which would guarantee no new tariffs or trade war? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, suds said: Ok Spanky, just answer my simple question. What do you want.... trade-off which would guarantee no new tariffs or trade war? Trump is trying to make it into a simple choice like that but we shouldn’t. I don’t think we should just surrender unconditionally to the demands of a foreign government without examining carefully whether they are reasonable first. Let’s have some respect for our country and our sovereignty here. Quote
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Trump is trying to make it into a simple choice like that but we shouldn’t. I don’t think we should just surrender unconditionally to the demands of a foreign government without examining carefully whether they are reasonable first. Let’s have some respect for our country and our sovereignty here. I doubt we will never know exactly what they want until we acknowledge the idea that we have to give up something. And don't bullshit me about country and sovereignty. I love and would defend my country, but our politicians are mostly a bunch of self serving, party first, bastards. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, suds said: I love and would defend my country, so you would kill & die for Quebec, when Quebec wouldn't cross the street to p!ss on you if you were on fire ? Quote
Aristides Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 I actually think this is a good idea because Trump will play one off against the other. Quote
Aristides Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, suds said: Plain stupid. According to Professor Ian Lee of Carleton University, the main trade irritants that the U.S. has with Canada are well documented in the USTR (United States Trade Representative) reports. Every country the U.S. trades with has it's own report and 'irritants'. Protectionist policies of 'supply management' Telecom Act which shuts out U.S. telecom providers Banking Act with its protectionist measures to shut out U.S. banks The airline industry and its protectionist measures And most recently digital taxes that discriminate against U.S. digital giants According to Lee, Trump and his economic advisors see tariffs as a tool to leverage other countries into opening up their markets to U.S. firms. What our politicians should be doing is sitting down with the Americans, opening up our free trade agreement and be prepared to put all our sacred cows on the table, in return for guarantees of no tariffs. 'To fight American protectionism is to get rid of our own protectionism'. > The US subsidizes its agriculture. That is protectionist. > How many foreign telecom providers operate in the US? > Our Banking Act protects us from US banking lunacy like sub prime mortgages. > Cabotage. Look it up. No foreign carriers are allowed to fly US domestic routes nor do any other countries allow it other than some exceptions in the EU. The US restricts foreign ownership to 25%, Canada allows 49%. > We get no say in what the US taxes. Edited January 28 by Aristides Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 15 minutes ago, suds said: I doubt we will never know exactly what they want until we acknowledge the idea that we have to give up something. you don't have to give up anything so long as you are prepared to hunker down in the trenches for the long war just to keep the Laurentian Elite ruling class in power from their mansions in Rosedale & Forest Hill Quote
CdnFox Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: I actually think this is a good idea because Trump will play one off against the other. It's not a bad idea at all for whoever is in power to say. Right now we're in the transition, even if she wins the leadership which she hasn't she would then have to win an election which is unlikely. It's not that I disagree with the sentiment. I mean it's Probably inevitable at this point. but I do think its' probably not a great idea to be calling for it publicly while you're not in a position to actually make that happen but trump IS in a position to retaliate or plan for that. Edited January 28 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
taxme Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 2 hours ago, suds said: Plain stupid. According to Professor Ian Lee of Carleton University, the main trade irritants that the U.S. has with Canada are well documented in the USTR (United States Trade Representative) reports. Every country the U.S. trades with has it's own report and 'irritants'. Protectionist policies of 'supply management' Telecom Act which shuts out U.S. telecom providers Banking Act with its protectionist measures to shut out U.S. banks The airline industry and its protectionist measures And most recently digital taxes that discriminate against U.S. digital giants According to Lee, Trump and his economic advisors see tariffs as a tool to leverage other countries into opening up their markets to U.S. firms. What our politicians should be doing is sitting down with the Americans, opening up our free trade agreement and be prepared to put all our sacred cows on the table, in return for guarantees of no tariffs. 'To fight American protectionism is to get rid of our own protectionism'. But first, Canadians must get rid of the WEF pro globalist Marxists in Ottawa. Only a conservative government in Ottawa will surely ease the Trump applied tariff pain. PP is best to go along with Trump or else we will all pay the price. I would personally like to see an economic union like they have in Europe. No borders, a common currency, and we both still keep our sovereignty. Works for me. How about you? 😇 Quote
taxme Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: Freeland calls for summit of nations targeted by Trump | Financial Post I figured something like this would happen. I'm a little surprised that Canada is initiating it, I thought others might be ahead of us but something like this will be inevitable. Unfortunately doing it while you're not in power is simply going to p*ss trump off before you have the ability to address it. Freeland is just another WEF globalist imbecile. She has pretty much destroyed Canada with her WEF globalist programs and agendas. The biotch needs to be arrested for what she has done to Canadians. If one wants to take on America, get ready for trouble from Trump. Trump will get what he wants or else. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Trump is trying to make it into a simple choice like that but we shouldn’t. I don’t think we should just surrender unconditionally to the demands of a foreign government without examining carefully whether they are reasonable first. Let’s have some respect for our country and our sovereignty here. So what your saying is we are allowed to have borders with no real security, and we are allowed to be a lardards when it comes to our defence and entire security apparatus....Even when it effects' other nations security....Such as the US, and our NATO, NORAD commitments....Thats fair... We have been reminded for decades from our allieds and past Presidents to fix or work on these problems....and we basically ignored them , Justin even told the globe we had no intention of spending 2 % of GDP after he signed an agreement to do exactly that.... Now trump is telling us to fix these items or face tariffs....how simple is that...Up here in Canada we are all busy doing war dances beating drums looking to fight the largest global economy thinking somehow we are going to win...when the simple solution is to look at the problem....sh!t CBSA and the rest of our security apparatus has been saying that to Canadians for decades.... We all know what the problem is and how it got there.....and we have done nothing....but hey we are willing to die on this hill because it is Trump who is making us do stuff...The trade war has already started try and buy one of those tesla right now...and your looking at 4500, or 9000 more starting Feb 1 .... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: So what your saying is we are allowed to have borders with no real security, and we are allowed to be a lardards when it comes to our defence and entire security apparatus....Even when it effects' other nations security....Such as the US, and our NATO, NORAD commitments....Thats fair... We have been reminded for decades from our allieds and past Presidents to fix or work on these problems....and we basically ignored them , Justin even told the globe we had no intention of spending 2 % of GDP after he signed an agreement to do exactly that.... Now trump is telling us to fix these items or face tariffs....how simple is that...Up here in Canada we are all busy doing war dances beating drums looking to fight the largest global economy thinking somehow we are going to win...when the simple solution is to look at the problem....sh!t CBSA and the rest of our security apparatus has been saying that to Canadians for decades.... We all know what the problem is and how it got there.....and we have done nothing....but hey we are willing to die on this hill because it is Trump who is making us do stuff...The trade war has already started try and buy one of those tesla right now...and your looking at 4500, or 9000 more starting Feb 1 .... The problem is trump didn't say that. It might have been one thing if he'd come and said here is my list, these things must be corrected specifically or else we will take action. That would still be really bad diplomacy but at least it would be usable. Instead he's given some vague concerns about the border, called us really terrible horrible evil unfair trade partners without any details other than they buy more from us than we buy from them which is the same deal he has with the grocery store, And mentioned our border security sucks. That's not legitimate. What he's hoping is that we will run around like crazy to try and make him happy and guess what he wants and give him everything that we guess that he wants and then after that he will sit down and negotiate for further things There's lots of room for correction and I agree with you about the military and the border. But you have to actually stand up for Canadians as well which I thought would not necessarily be something I'd have to explain to someone who's serving in our military in defense of Canada. If trump wants to come and say he wants these things fixed and negotiate great. If he wants to threaten and lie about us and smear us then the correct answer is to punch him in the face as hard as we can and make America and Americans hurt as much as humanly possible until they learn that we are not servants at their beck and call and they need to treat us like equals. Edited January 28 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 So why doesn't the US reduce their defence spending to two percent. supposedly everyone else would have to step up> 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 55 minutes ago, taxme said: But first, Canadians must get rid of the WEF pro globalist Marxists in Ottawa. that will require a revolution against the ruling class you won't get there until the Canadian Normies suffer terribly for their allegiance to said Laurentian Elites chaos is a ladder 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 54 minutes ago, taxme said: Freeland is just another WEF globalist imbecile. the Liberals all hate her now anyways because she stabbed their Dear Leader Justin in the back the Truanon Cult lives on through Justin's proxy Mark Carney Quote
suds Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 56 minutes ago, Aristides said: > The US subsidizes its agriculture. That is protectionist. > How many foreign telecom providers operate in the US? > Our Banking Act protects us from US banking lunacy like sub prime mortgages. > Cabotage. Look it up. No foreign carriers are allowed to fly US domestic routes nor do any other countries allow it other than some exceptions in the EU. The US restricts foreign ownership to 25%, Canada allows 49%. > We get no say in what the US taxes. So what you're saying is the U.S. subsidizes it's agriculture but Canada does not? Is that about right? I'll let you prove it as I've no intention in wasting my time proving vague generalities. As for Canadian telecom operators operating in the U.S. ...... Bell last Nov. just invested heavily buying Ziply Fibre (the leading fibre provider in U.S. Pacific Northwest) for $5 billion USD. It's hoping to accelerate subscriber and revenue growth, but it's stock took a huge hit and has never rebounded. As for the Banking Act, I doubt the idea is to get rid of the Act altogether just certain parts of it that make it difficult for U.S. banks to get a foothold in Canada. As for Canadian Airlines 'protectionalist measures' I've no idea on what these measures are but the U.S. obviously is finding them to be an irritant. So I'm going to spend about as much time on this one as you have likely <60 seconds. Quote
eyeball Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 3 hours ago, suds said: According to Lee, Trump and his economic advisors see tariffs as a tool to leverage other countries into opening up their markets to U.S. firms. People in these countries apparently see Trump's tariffs as being more like gunships blasting their way into our markets. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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