Canadians will now pay a heavy price for the Liberal-NDP refusal to build pipelines

[cougar]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:52 AM, blackbird said:

The Liberal NDP government refused to build pipelines to eastern and western Canada and regulated the energy industry to the extreme. 

 

Fly south little birdie.  Join the "drill baby drill" folks around Trump.

Maybe they will give you a nice house in the Palesades suburbs of L.A with a swimming pool and tennis court?  Oh , my bad, those just burnt down as a result of too much fossil fuel usage.  They will give you a spot somewhere else then, a place that will be hit by a hurricane or another fire.  You just go south and stop your annoying chirping.

[August1991]

Hydro-electricity emits no CO2.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Things like SNC Lavalin affairs.

 

You understand that the liberal government doesn't actually build the reactors themselves and I assume that you are aware that the problem with snc was not the quality of their work but bribery.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Voting 4 - 5 years after a leak, spill, theft whatever to address it may do it for you but.

Why would we have a leak or spill. The new designs really don't allow for that.  We've had nuclear reactors in Canada for decades now, how many leaks is bills have we had?

And I would remind you that we haven't even higher risk of leaks or spills with oil and they would be far worse for the environment. Ask Alaska

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I just don't want governments regulating them without a thick layer of public oversight on top of things.

You realize that snc leveling was a public company not a government one and is exactly the kind of people we would hire for oversight.

I have little doubt that any new reactor design is going to be highly challenged so watched over. Our first new reactors of the sMR style are coming online in the next couple of years as test beds I have no doubt that the technology will be mature by the time it is deployed on any kind of scale.

The bottom line is those who pretend to be environmentalists and claim that we are in the middle of a climate crisis are going to have to realize that if we're going to transition it's going to involve fast decisions about things like nuclear. Even extremely fast nuclear programs are still very slow in real world terms. If on the other hand of the climate issue isn't an emergency and we don't need to worry about it right this minute then sure. We can take all the time in the world

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You understand that the liberal government doesn't actually build the reactors themselves and I assume that you are aware that the problem with snc was not the quality of their work but bribery.

Precisely. It's the quality of government that's at issue.

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The bottom line is those who pretend to be environmentalists and claim that we are in the middle of a climate crisis are going to have to realize that if we're going to transition it's going to involve fast decisions about things like nuclear.

For me the bottom line is those who don't give a shit about accountability or transparency are the very last people who should be put in charge of overseeing anything as potentially dangerous as nuclear waste, especially if they're in a hurry.

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Precisely. It's the quality of government that's at issue.

For me the bottom line is those who don't give a shit about accountability or transparency are the very last people who should be put in charge of overseeing anything as potentially dangerous as nuclear waste, especially if they're in a hurry.

No need to be in a hurry if you plan and act far enough ahead.

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No need to be in a hurry if you plan and act far enough ahead.

Starting with building far more robust institutions of accountability and transparency.

The lack of which has interfered with planning or acting to prevent the climate crisis we now face in the present.

[Aristides]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Starting with building far more robust institutions of accountability and transparency.

The lack of which has interfered with planning or acting to prevent the climate crisis we now face in the present.

Wind, solar and hydro will not be adequate to provide the massive increases in electrical generation required to go fully electric in all parts of the country. Nuclear will enter the equation at some point if that really is the objective.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Wind, solar and hydro will not be adequate to provide the massive increases in electrical generation required to go fully electric in all parts of the country. Nuclear will enter the equation at some point if that really is the objective.

Like I said I can support it but not without some strong caveats with regards to total transparency and regulation.

[I am Groot]

On 1/21/2025 at 12:33 PM, Aristides said:

Anything approved in 2006 was under the Martin government.

Even TCP said current events had removed the business case for Energy East.

It's hard to make a business case for a pipeline that you know will require years and years of political and legal wrangling and likely won't ever be approved.

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, cougar said:

Fly south little birdie.  Join the "drill baby drill" folks around Trump.

You Liberals and NDP are finished.  Conservatives are about 25% ahead in the polls.  Canadians have had it with your carbon tax scam.  Made no difference to the climate.

Canada is going to "drill baby drill" with the next government.  If you don't like it, move to China, your favourite system.

[cougar]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You Liberals and NDP are finished.  Conservatives are about 25% ahead in the polls.  Canadians have had it with your carbon tax scam.  Made no difference to the climate.

Canada is going to "drill baby drill" with the next government.  If you don't like it, move to China, your favourite system.

I am not moving.  It is you who needs to move, preferably to Mars or another planet Musk will have for you.   So because the carbon tax does not work, we need to increase oil and gas extraction and burn more fossil fuels - your solution.   You are so shot in the head, I am not sure how you even manage to type on your computer.  Maybe not for long.

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, cougar said:

I am not moving. 

You shouldn't play with superglue.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Precisely. It's the quality of government that's at issue.

 

So the gov't is overseen by the contractor doing the work, just as in the case with SNC, who incidentally holds the license to our existing candu reactors i believe. 

It's not possible to build nuclear reactors without gov't oversight and you're saying you dont' want gov't oversight so what you're REALLY saying is no reactors. 

This is a common position on the left and further proof that they don't take climate change seriously. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Starting with building far more robust institutions of accountability and transparency.

The lack of which has interfered with planning or acting to prevent the climate crisis we now face in the present.

No, !diots wasting everyone's time with fake climate solutions that the voters let them get away with and kept electing them lead to the climate situation which we now face, which you repeatedly fail to provide any evidence of it being a crisis for. 

The oversight was supposed to come from people like you who claimed to care but obviously did not in the end.  You kept electing the same people who did nothing. THis is going all the way back to kyoto. 

for thirty years you've failed to take climate change seriously other than to virtue signal about it. 

And now you want to come up with excuses why we shouldn't be switching to clean nuclear power.  "Oh i get that we need to, i just think we shouldn't because gov't". 

[eyeball]

It's really the donkey assed nonsense that overtly partisan supporters of Canada's mainstream political parties put forth in defense of the status quo that leave me feeling these political parties have no business whatsoever being given responsibility for designing or managing our institutions of accountability.

Trusting them is reckless and puts lives at risk.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And now you want to come up with excuses why we shouldn't be switching to clean nuclear power.

I've got nothing against switching to clean nuclear power but only after we switch to clean political power.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's really the donkey assed nonsense that overtly partisan supporters of Canada's mainstream political parties put forth in defense of the status quo that leave me feeling these political parties have no business whatsoever being given responsibility for designing or managing our institutions of accountability.

uhhhh... you're the donkey assed supporter spewing partisan nonsense in defense of the status quo kid.   We're the ones saying things should change. 

You had 10 years to show you could make the woke agenda do something positive and to do something meaningful about climate change. And all you did was ruin the country and prove climate change isn't a crisis that you care about other than to virtue signal. 

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

...you're the donkey assed supporter spewing partisan nonsense in defense of the status quo kid...

Sure, as evidenced by the context and tone of my posts on the topic?

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, as evidenced by the context and tone of my posts on the topic?

 

And your constant defense of the carbon tax and claims that there's a crisis which you havent' been able to provide any evidence for, yes. 

You play the cutesy game where in one post you'll advocate for carbon taxes and insist that getting rid of them is wrong and then in the next post try to claim that you've been saying all along they won't do any good. In one post you'll swear the climate change is an emergency then in the next you're arguing that we shouldn't Make use of the one very obvious technology that would resolve it until we basically overthrow the government and completely have a different political system.

If you genuinely cared about the climate and truly believed it was a crisis as you claim then you would be demanding that nuclear power be deployed as a replacement for fossil burning power plants immediately as soon as humanly possible, not someday in the future when humanity has somehow figured out how to have politicians that aren't either mistaken or corrupt at some point.

And you fail to point out that we've already had one of the most environmentally friendly governments the world has seen for the last 10 years and things have only gotten worse

You're a dishonest hypocrite who believes in virtue signaling but not actually any of the things he claims to believe in. You are of no substance and that's reflected in your stance and your posts

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Blah blah blah

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't really believe climate change is an emergency, but i get really angry when you point that out 

Yeah, typical leftie.   

[Political Smash]

Canadians pay the price for pretty much everything these sick parties have done to Canada. WEF / lobbyist dictatorship is not a democracy. They are selling us out by conspiring with the WEF against the citizens of Canada. They belong in prison and their wealth given back to Canada.