CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 18 hours ago, Shady said: What exactly did he do that was so great his first 4 years? Legalized week and purposely ran big deficits at the time the economy was doing well. A good job would’ve been using those good times to balance the budget. The biggest purveyors of disinformation is/was the government. Close to full employment and low inflation during 2015-2019 and implementation of Liberal policies and feminist policies. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Close to full employment He had that already. He inherited a booming economy. Quote and low inflation during 2015-2019 He had that already. The inflation rate was about the same as it had been for years before that. Quote and implementation of Liberal policies and feminist policies. Like what. Lord, even his fanboys can't think of anything he actually did that was positive Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 46 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He had that already. He inherited a booming economy. He had that already. The inflation rate was about the same as it had been for years before that. Like what. Lord, even his fanboys can't think of anything he actually did that was positive His first cabinet was half female. I love it to see females in powerful positions as a punch into the face of those id*ots who may believe or claim women are not equal and cannot assume high positions (who I believe must be prevented from coming to Canada at the first place). I am not a fan of Trudeau or Liberals just that I am afraid of a conservative or religious right take over. They may ban doctor-assisted suicide which Trudeau legalized it in his first term, fierce government cutbacks, social program cutbacks, Mail delivery changes (stopping home delivery is hard on seniors), raising retirement age, cutbacks to health and education in order to balance the budget. In summary the most vulnerable (sick, elderly, the poor) will pay a high [rice for a conservative strong majority. They were planning to do all of above if elected in 2015. Quote
Legato Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: His first cabinet was half female. I love it to see females in powerful positions as a punch into the face of those id*ots who may believe or claim women are not equal and cannot assume high positions (who I believe must be prevented from coming to Canada at the first place). I am not a fan of Trudeau or Liberals just that I am afraid of a conservative or religious right take over. They may ban doctor-assisted suicide which Trudeau legalized it in his first term, fierce government cutbacks, social program cutbacks, Mail delivery changes (stopping home delivery is hard on seniors), raising retirement age, cutbacks to health and education in order to balance the budget. In summary the most vulnerable (sick, elderly, the poor) will pay a high [rice for a conservative strong majority. They were planning to do all of above if elected in 2015. What happened to the rabbit? Did you leave it in the hat? Quote
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: His first cabinet was half female. That's not an achievement, that's just sexism. Quote I love it to see females in powerful positions as a punch into the face of those id*ots who may believe or claim women are not equal and cannot assume high positions (who I believe must be prevented from coming to Canada at the first place). Didja love it when he punched jodi in the face? or all the other women he did, with freeland being the last? The guy thinks women should be silent and do what their told or he fires them. THAT'S your 'feminist idol'? Quote I am not a fan of Trudeau or Liberals just that I am afraid of a conservative or religious right take over. well you did bring up how much he did in the first term. Sooooo. As to he conservatives if you have "fears" over it that's a mental health issue. The conservatives have been in power before and there was no 'religious take over' or anything Quote They may ban doctor-assisted suicide which Trudeau legalized it in his first term, Probably not. Quote fierce government cutbacks, social program cutbacks, The only things that'll get cut back is useless programs like the 23 billion we spend in consultants that happened to be friends of the liberals right now each year. The conservatives have always supported in kept up core services like medicine transfers and the like. The CBC is getting cut, but honestly it had it coming Quote Mail delivery changes (stopping home delivery is hard on seniors), raising retirement age So you are honestly of the opinion that the conservatives are going to get into power and then cancel Canada Post so that there's no more postal service. That's your big fear here. You're making crap up at random. When have the conservatives ever called for the end of mail? Quote cutbacks to health and education in order to balance the budget. They've never done that. Nor are they calling for it now. So again where is this coming from? You're making shit up Quote In summary the most vulnerable (sick, elderly, the poor) will pay a high [rice for a conservative strong majority. They were planning to do all of above if elected in 2015. Well that's a blatant lie. It weren't planning on doing any of that with the exception of raising the retirement age to 67. Harper increased healthcare funding and trudeau kept the exact same formula harper had for example. Meanwhile, The liberals have doubled our debt. They have divided the country so badly that now again we're hearing about separatist talk. Our medical systems are in complete disarray and cannot handle the number of people we have in and are far worse than they were under harbor. Pretty poor and has hit the elderly and the poor the most. Many of them can no longer afford food or housing. Our quality of life is nose diving because of the GDP per capita plummeting, which will affect gov't services moving forward. And everyone has commented how poor gov't services are today vs in the past And people are forced to go longer before retiring Canadians are working past retirement, but not because they want to | CBC Radio Oh and canada post says because of mismanagement they're looking at going to weekly service because they're losing so much. So every single thing you said you were worried about under the CPC HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED under the liberals. So how do you justify your claims that the cpc will do these things when they didn't when they were in power and the liberals are? 2 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: That's not an achievement, that's just sexism. Didja love it when he punched jodi in the face? or all the other women he did, with freeland being the last? The guy thinks women should be silent and do what their told or he fires them. THAT'S your 'feminist idol'? well you did bring up how much he did in the first term. Sooooo. As to he conservatives if you have "fears" over it that's a mental health issue. The conservatives have been in power before and there was no 'religious take over' or anything Probably not. The only things that'll get cut back is useless programs like the 23 billion we spend in consultants that happened to be friends of the liberals right now each year. The conservatives have always supported in kept up core services like medicine transfers and the like. The CBC is getting cut, but honestly it had it coming So you are honestly of the opinion that the conservatives are going to get into power and then cancel Canada Post so that there's no more postal service. That's your big fear here. You're making crap up at random. When have the conservatives ever called for the end of mail? They've never done that. Nor are they calling for it now. So again where is this coming from? You're making shit up Well that's a blatant lie. It weren't planning on doing any of that with the exception of raising the retirement age to 67. Harper increased healthcare funding and trudeau kept the exact same formula harper had for example. Meanwhile, The liberals have doubled our debt. They have divided the country so badly that now again we're hearing about separatist talk. Our medical systems are in complete disarray and cannot handle the number of people we have in and are far worse than they were under harbor. Pretty poor and has hit the elderly and the poor the most. Many of them can no longer afford food or housing. Our quality of life is nose diving because of the GDP per capita plummeting, which will affect gov't services moving forward. And everyone has commented how poor gov't services are today vs in the past And people are forced to go longer before retiring Canadians are working past retirement, but not because they want to | CBC Radio Oh and canada post says because of mismanagement they're looking at going to weekly service because they're losing so much. So every single thing you said you were worried about under the CPC HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED under the liberals. So how do you justify your claims that the cpc will do these things when they didn't when they were in power and the liberals are? Conservatives were planning to stop home mail delivery. Conservatives actually raised retirement age (and OAS) to 67 from 65. So stop lying. Conservative did cut back on government spending in 2013 and 50,000 government workers were laid off so stop lying. Liberals brought in child daycare ($10 per day), dental programs and all benefited the poor. The only mistake Liberals made was to increase immigration levels to stupid number and mostly from third world countries and hence overwhelmed our health and education system and government services and THIS WAS AN UNFORGIVABLE MISTAKE and they must pay a price for that by being kicked out of government but I am hoping a minority conservative government not to cut and burn. The cut and burn policies of the conservatives will only hurt the most in need. As why I prefer to see a minority conservative government in the next election. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 On 1/8/2025 at 6:58 PM, PIK said: And if he showed leadership and met with the truckers, that mess could have been avoided. And he called them names also. No leadership skills what so ever. The trucker convoy was a failed militia. Most were just out to cause trouble, without any legitimate political objective. Quote
herbie Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 If he'd met with those f*ckers I would've called for his ass so loud all you guy's snivelling and whining about it would look like a fart in a hurricane. Get over it already it's over and done and they lost every case and every appeal. You sound like some loser Yank still bleating about Hillary's emails and Hunter Biden. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Conservatives were planning to stop home mail delivery. They were doing no such thing. Nor would they, Canada Post is a separate organization, it's like CBC. The conservatives can't tell the CBC what to broadcast and they can't tell Canada Post what to do And you have to be 17 different kinds of dumb to think that anybody is going to cancel mail service all together Quote Conservatives actually raised retirement age (and OAS) to 67 from 65. So stop lying. I literally said that was the only thing you mentioned that they were going to do. So you are the liar here Quote Conservative did cut back on government spending in 2013 and 50,000 government workers were laid off so stop lying. Bullshit. Quote Liberals brought in child daycare ($10 per day), dental programs and all benefited the poor. Hasn't really so far, and those children are going to be paying the costs of the extra money they borrowed well into their retirement. You liberals seem to think that debt is going to magically vanish Into The Ether and never play a role in our lives. That debt is going to be an anchor on the chain of an entire generation of Canadians moving forward just as the previous Trudeau's was during the '80s and the periods of stagflation then Quote The only mistake Liberals made was to increase immigration levels to stupid number and mostly from third world countries and hence overwhelmed our health and education system and government services and THIS WAS AN UNFORGIVABLE MISTAKE and they must pay a price for that by being kicked out of government but I am hoping a minority conservative government not to cut and burn. They also borrowed more money than every other government before them combined. You don't think that was a mistake? They also changed the laws to Require all criminals who are captured to be released on bail immediately even if they have multiple violent convictions and this has been directly resulting in numerous deaths and rapes and violence and the police chiefs of several provinces have begged them to make changes and they haven't. Not a mistake in your books? Our international trade relationships are now worse off and we do less trade per capita than we used to because of his screw-ups. Now that the US is threatening us we desperately wish we had more trade with other countries and he reduced it. Not a screw up? And could it be possible that you are stupid enough to think that the liberals who are still in power aren't exactly the same? They voted for every single thing he did for 10 years You are literally saying what they did was unforgivable and then forgiving them hoping that they'll be back in in 2 years. You're a hypocrite Quote The cut and burn policies of the conservatives will only hurt the most in need. As why I prefer to see a minority conservative government in the next election. There are no cut and burn policies of the conservatives. You're blind devotion to the liberals at the cost of Canadians is reprehensible. You would rather repeat the next 10 years to be the same as it was for the last 10 years which is exactly what will happen rather than be honest that the conservative time was actually vastly better than the liberal time for old people and poor people. How do you even live with that level of hypocrisy? Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: They were doing no such thing. Nor would they, Canada Post is a separate organization, it's like CBC. The conservatives can't tell the CBC what to broadcast and they can't tell Canada Post what to do And you have to be 17 different kinds of dumb to think that anybody is going to cancel mail service all together Not sure if you are a liat ot stupid. Likrly both. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/canada-post-halts-transition-to-community-mailboxes 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: So you are honestly of the opinion that the conservatives are going to get into power and then cancel Canada Post so that there's no more postal service. That's your big fear here. I think he came from Iran and he views conservative government as like the Ayatollah and Islam in Iran. All religions are the same to him. He thinks conservatives are going to impose a religious dictatorship similar to an Islamic Republic in Iran and take away all rights and eliminate all government services. He doesn't even know most conservatives are not even religious in any way. So-called social conservatives (such as me) are actually only about 20% of the party if that. We do not believe in setting up a theocratic religious government. All we believe in having a just, honest government that respects human life and maintains law and order with a justice system that does not just catch and release dangerous offenders. Christians do not believe in Islamic dictatorship type of governments. We believe in respecting the human rights and freedoms of people as long as it also respects human life from conception to natural death. We don't need government assisted death. His thinking hasn't changed since he came here. Looks like he hasn't assimilated yet. Assimilation also means understanding and learning about one's country, people, and the politics. Edited January 10 by blackbird Quote
Legato Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Not sure if you are a liat ot stupid. Likrly both. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/canada-post-halts-transition-to-community-mailboxes How does that article make Mr Fox a liar. Your projector needs a new spring. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Close to full employment and low inflation during 2015-2019 and implementation of Liberal policies and feminist policies. Tragically, you don't have the true facts at all. Before Trudeau, Canada was much better off. Far more people could afford to buy a home and afford groceries. Now several million people are depending on food banks. There are thousands of people living in tent cities. Things are totally changed now. The average working person in Canada can not afford to buy a home. It would require almost a whole working person's working years to just save up the down payment. This means if would be very difficult or impossible for the average middle class person to own a home and raise a family in the major cities. The least expensive homes are typically over a million dollars. That means one would need at least $50,000 to make the down payment. Working people don't have that kind of money. In fact they have the reverse. Many have massive credit card debt and can't even make ends meet. This is all under the Trudeau government and getting far worse in the past few years. "Now that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s political career is coming to an end, some of his fans are romanticizing his economic track record. Yet it is indisputable that, under his leadership, the economy sputtered and Canadians, robbed of a decade of growth, were left relatively poorer than their global peers." Adam Zivo: No, Trudeau did not make Canada richer Edited January 10 by blackbird 1 1 Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Not sure if you are a liat ot stupid. Likrly both. So says the person who can't spell . . . Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 52 minutes ago, blackbird said: Tragically, you don't have the true facts at all. Before Trudeau, Canada was much better off. Far more people could afford to buy a home and afford groceries. Now several million people are depending on food banks. There are thousands of people living in tent cities. Things are totally changed now. The average working person in Canada can not afford to buy a home. It would require almost a whole working person's working years to just save up the down payment. This means if would be very difficult or impossible for the average middle class person to own a home and raise a family in the major cities. The least expensive homes are typically over a million dollars. That means one would need at least $50,000 to make the down payment. Working people don't have that kind of money. In fact they have the reverse. Many have massive credit card debt and can't even make ends meet. This is all under the Trudeau government and getting far worse in the past few years. "Now that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s political career is coming to an end, some of his fans are romanticizing his economic track record. Yet it is indisputable that, under his leadership, the economy sputtered and Canadians, robbed of a decade of growth, were left relatively poorer than their global peers." Adam Zivo: No, Trudeau did not make Canada richer This is the same for all countries especially the West due to pandemic. All major industrial countries have significant deficits including US and Britain and have had very high inflation. Canada did and is doing much better in comparison. Don't close your eyes or limit your eye sight to Canada. See global picture. Quote
PIK Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 On 1/6/2025 at 7:29 AM, Politics1990 said: stop whining harper did it lol it's fair game and a tool to use so suck it up For a totally different reason. He saved this country. 1 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CdnFox Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Not sure if you are a liat ot stupid. Likrly both. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/canada-post-halts-transition-to-community-mailboxes First off it wasn't harper's plan, it was what the post office proposed. So there you go 7 things to know about Canada Post’s plan to axe home delivery | Globalnews.ca The liberals can pretend it was the conservatives, but it had nothing to do with them. Canada post was broke. They were looking at how to cut costs. The most you can say is that the conservatives wouldn't have stopped them. So i was right, and you lied. Big shock. And btw Canada post is now looking at cutting mail services to once a week or less because.... you guessed it... they're broke. And none of the people in my area had their home delivery restored under the libs. Hmmmm. And you still haven't been able to answer the fairly simple question ... seeing as all of the things you said you were worried about happened under the libs and didn't happen under harper with the exception of the retirement age as i previously mentioned (and you pretended i didn't), how can you claim to be 'afraid' the conservatives will do it? Your precious liberals are obviously worse. You also haven't addressed the fact that even if it is a minority gov't, it will be the SAME LIBERALS who did all of these 'unforgivable' things even after justin is gone. So how do you justify 'forgiving' the 'unforgiveable' like that? Quote
ironstone Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Not having home delivery of mail is an inconvenience considering that Canada Post almost always loses money every year. The bigger picture is the significant rise in the cost of food, shelter, heat, transportation. Trudeau's steadily rising carbon tax certainly plays a role in that rise in cost. Then there is housing and health care, worse because of Trudeau and the Liberals. I'm sure public servants have been very pleased with Trudeau, but that's because he increased the size of the public service massively since 2015. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 11 hours ago, ironstone said: I'm sure public servants have been very pleased with Trudeau, but that's because he increased the size of the public service massively since 2015. And yet the quality of services has gone down Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 22 hours ago, ironstone said: Not having home delivery of mail is an inconvenience considering that Canada Post almost always loses money every year. The bigger picture is the significant rise in the cost of food, shelter, heat, transportation. Trudeau's steadily rising carbon tax certainly plays a role in that rise in cost. Then there is housing and health care, worse because of Trudeau and the Liberals. I'm sure public servants have been very pleased with Trudeau, but that's because he increased the size of the public service massively since 2015. May be just an inconvenience for you but much more deadlier than that for the sick and elderly who depend on their paycheques and etc. on Canada post. As I said high inflation has been the case with all major industrial countries after pandemic and Canada was no exception. but housing was hit worse because of stupid immigration policy by Trudeau government and this was wrong and for this mistake Liberals has to be kicked out of government. Increasing Public Service size does not benefit the existing PS workers only those who have been hired as a result of this mistake. In fact they will pay a high price as a result since the next government will have to cut massively and usually it is the older workers who will be laid off. So they had no say in that but will pay the price. Edited January 11 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
blackbird Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 A report says 80,000 people were homeless in Ontario on 2024. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/10/2025 at 12:52 PM, CdnFox said: First off it wasn't harper's plan, it was what the post office proposed. So there you go You also haven't addressed the fact that even if it is a minority gov't, it will be the SAME LIBERALS who did all of these 'unforgivable' things even after justin is gone. So how do you justify 'forgiving' the 'unforgiveable' like that? I wished for a minority conservative government not Liberal. Liberals must be kicked out of power for the mistakes they made on immigration. Immigration programs are not charities but its goal is to benefit Canada and Canadians. Though many are good hard working immigrants but many are not. Edited January 11 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
ironstone Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: May be just an inconvenience for you but much more deadlier than that for the sick and elderly who depend on their paycheques and etc. on Canada post. As I said high inflation has been the case with all major industrial countries after pandemic and Canada was no exception. but housing was hit worse because of stupid immigration policy by Trudeau government and this was wrong and for this mistake Liberals has to be kicked out of government. Increasing Public Service size does not benefit the existing PS workers only those who have been hired as a result of this mistake. In fact they will pay a high price as a result since the next government will have to cut massively and usually it is the older workers who will be laid off. So they had no say in that but will pay the price. Trudeau's carbon tax has exacerbated the problem of inflation. Any and all goods that are transported now cost more thanks to the ever increasing carbon taxes. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew that the Liberal policy of mass immigration was going to affect Canadians especially with housing costs and health care wait times and doctor shortages. The Liberals didn't care, they went full steam ahead because they believed it would mean more Liberal voters. Layoffs in the public service are extremely rare compared to the private sector. Public service jobs come with a huge price tag as it generally means they all get a salary for life along with gold plated benefits. I would assume that the majority of the sick and elderly, have direct deposit. I personally don't know anyone that still gets their checks by mail although I'm sure some still do. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, ironstone said: Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew that the Liberal policy of mass immigration was going to affect Canadians especially with housing costs and health care wait times and doctor shortages. The Liberals didn't care, they went full steam ahead because they believed it would mean more Liberal voters. Layoffs in the public service are extremely rare compared to the private sector. Public service jobs come with a huge price tag as it generally means they all get a salary for life along with gold plated benefits. That is why they have to be kicked out in the next election. Most of you with exception of few only look at the economic aspects of bad immigrants. Very few are aware of cultural impact, that undesirable people with undesirable backward belief and a danger to our values have been landed who wish to change those values into inferior hateful values (not all but many) who lack respect for women and other religions. Or maybe you do but are too afraid to say it fearful of being stamped as racist? Edited January 11 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
ironstone Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: That is why they have to be kicked out in the next election. Most of you with exception of few only look at the economic aspects of bad immigrants. Very few are aware of cultural impact (except may be me and taxme) that undesirable people with undesirable backward belief and a danger to our values have been landed who wish to change those values into inferior hateful values (not all but many) who lack respect for women and other religions. Or maybe you do but are too afraid to say it fearful of being stamped as racist? Yes, I look at that aspect too and have concerns about bringing in people from certain cultures that despise Western values. It bothers me to see newcomers that bring their hatred and spread it on Canadian soil. And it is true that anyone that dares to speak out about this may be subject to onerous new hate speech laws. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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