NAME REMOVED Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, herbie said: No but we can pin a lot on those who deny climate change for stalling plans to prepare for it by everyone else. With prolonged heat, drought, lack of infrastructure and preparedness and recurring cycles of high wind the current fires were inevitable. Hell I remember driving the coast highway in the early 1970s thinking WTH are these people doing building houses hanging from cliffs in an earthquake zone and coastal erosion? Didn't even think with the scrub as being from Canada I only equated huge actual forests with fires. Now we see those fires burning right into towns here too. Kelowna, Jasper, etc. Plan for the worst and all that. The MAGA types are so brainwashed, that even if their homes did burn down, they would blame the Libs for it. Quote
godzilla Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 (edited) can't wait to get rid of windmills, solar panels... all the "green stuff"! then we can get back to burning good old coal! Mountains of unused coal causing financial headaches for US power sector: Report i mean, the respirator illnesses we are missing out on! Edited January 13 by godzilla 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 8 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: The US wants to deplete our water resources, and are prepared to use force, if we resist. When the water hole gets smaller the animals get meaner. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/12/2025 at 4:12 PM, Army Guy said: Conservatives had no power to stall any plans, No, that's just their entire platform. Are you going to claim the Tories have any kind of climate program at all now? Quote
herbie Posted January 14 Report Posted January 14 On 1/12/2025 at 5:52 PM, godzilla said: can't wait to get rid of windmills, solar panels... all the "green stuff"! then we can get back to burning good old coal! OMG here's the example right here of blockhead thinking. I suppose you could say the whales have recovered so we can resume harvesting them for whale oil too. Windmills are ugly so go back to 'beautiful' coal mine moonscapes. And glorious jobs in filth, scab labour and black lung. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 On 1/13/2025 at 10:20 PM, herbie said: No, that's just their entire platform. Are you going to claim the Tories have any kind of climate program at all now? They have always had a climate program, and yes come election time you'll hear it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 On 1/13/2025 at 10:20 PM, herbie said: No, that's just their entire platform. Are you going to claim the Tories have any kind of climate program at all now? Your still don't get it, Liberals/NDP have had "10 years" to come up with an environmental plan that works, and does not require consumers to pay for it all....and they failed....i mean instead of giving that money back to consumers we could have invested in other areas ... anyways it does not matter if the tories have one or not, that is not their purpose in government is it? You had the ball and had all game to do something with it and failed.....blaming the conservatives for that failure is just ....a liberal thing to do...lie about it, deny it, blame harper , blame trump, but whatever you do DO not blame the liberals/NDP government....Just step up and own that failure.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
taxme Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 On 1/3/2025 at 9:17 AM, blackbird said: Trump reportedly said down with windmills. I Agree. They are a blight on the landscape and ruin the beauty of the land. Canada is rich in natural resources such as oil, natural gas, and uranium. We don't need to wreck our landscape with these huge monsters. Southern Alberta has a lot of them, yet they are rich in energy resources. It make no sense. Hopefully the Conservatives will do something about this too. The NDP in B.C. has shunned small nuclear energy reactors. They also have been dragging their feet about natural gas development and liquifaction plants. Many countries have asked to buy Canada's natural gas, yet the Trudeau government has turned them down. This is insane. The Liberals and NDP are wrecking Canada by not utilizing the tremendous wealth we have in natural gas, and other resources. This could help lift the standard of living of Canadians and help thousands of young people to get good - paying jobs, buy homes, and raise families. But they are being denied the opportunity by our governments in Canada. Another problem in connection with this is the approval and permit processes to develop natural resources. It takes years to get approval for a mine or other resource development project. We are also being slowed down and blocked by FN and environmental groups who oppose any resource development. Some FNs do want development and the resulting good-paying jobs they will get. But there is no much bureaucracy and groups opposing everything, this country is in a real mess. Way the go, Trump. The windmills are more of a nuisance than a blessing. They need wind to work. No wind, no work or they will need fossil fuels to help get them to work. The one thing that they were supposed to get rid of. Ironic, isn't it? Canada has the potential to be one of the most richest country's on earth and should help to make Canadians one of the richest people on earth. But thanks to liberalism and socialism, those two isms have done everything that they can to try and destroy a nation and keep it in poverty and not make it a wealthy nation. The Marxists that have been running and ruining Canada and Canadians for decades now will hopefully all be gone once the conservative party win the next election in Canada. When i hear stories like the residents of Alaska receive a dividend check from their government every year because of their oil production, i say why cannot this be also done in Canada also? If we were one of the richest nations on earth, we could also do the same thing for Canadians. Receive a dividend check every year. Canada should be a debt free country, if it were not for the Marxists in Ottawa and the provinces in trying to destroy this country into oblivion. Just my opinion. 1 Quote
herbie Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Your still don't get it, Liberals/NDP have had "10 years" to come up with an environmental plan that works No, you are one of those that doesn't get it. YOU have had 10 years to think about it and reduce YOUR carbon emissions. Which you did do if only by griping about it. If you still haven't that's on you, your choice to have spent more than you needed to. Must be nice to not even try not to waste money. It's not about China or India or the whole world's CO2 emissions it's about Canada. Which has grown by 5 million people and reduced emissions from the affected sectors a little rather than increase them the same 14% if we hadn't even tried. Wanna look at the usual stats the deniers and whiners always quote, that show CO2 emissions have increased? Denying all the while that population growth, a huge pipeline project, a new gas pipeline and export facility, major dam works and renewed growth in Alberta oil & gas didn't account for that? Feel free to join with the MAGAs blaming the Governor of California and denying climate change over their fires. The stupidest things about the Carbon Tax was rebating it instead of using it for EV incentives and corporate CO2 reduction programs and charging it on LNG home heating. Edited January 15 by herbie 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 15 Report Posted January 15 39 minutes ago, herbie said: No, you are one of those that doesn't get it. YOU have had 10 years to think about it and reduce YOUR carbon emissions. Which you did do if only by griping about it. If you still haven't that's on you, your choice to have spent more than you needed to. Must be nice to not even try not to waste money. It's not about China or India or the whole world's CO2 emissions it's about Canada. Which has grown by 5 million people and reduced emissions from the affected sectors a little rather than increase them the same 14% if we hadn't even tried. Wanna look at the usual stats the deniers and whiners always quote, that show CO2 emissions have increased? Denying all the while that population growth, a huge pipeline project, a new gas pipeline and export facility, major dam works and renewed growth in Alberta oil & gas didn't account for that? Feel free to join with the MAGAs blaming the Governor of California and denying climate change over their fires. The stupidest things about the Carbon Tax was rebating it instead of using it for EV incentives and corporate CO2 reduction programs and charging it on LNG home heating. Yes , lets starting blaming me for climate change, but i got the message loud and clear, we are in a crises according to the liberal government and their messaging...and in that crisis all they could come up with is "lets pass all this back on to the consumer" and give him a small cheque at the end of each quarter to make it look like we care about the environment and the little people... Meanwhile back on planet earth, we have only managed to make 8.5 % or our international signed agreement of 40-50 % reduction of emissions....Now you can try and blame the conservatives or me, to which i reply blow me...The government you voted in screwed this up, not me, not the conservatives....and YOU played a part in it....once again just in case you didn't hear it the first time blow me... I have had 10 years to reduce my carbon footprint, and i did what i could....i have said this on this forum many times...I did put solar on my home, did an energy audit, upgraded my insulation, had a complete heat pump system installed, along with energy efficient funerance, put in a pellet stove, did all that because the government claimed it is a crises.....So i did all i could, was it enough i think so........That does nothing to change the fact that your government you voted for did the absolute minimum they could....and touted it as their climate change plan that would meet our signed to agreement to bring down our emissions by 2030...and it failed... I did not mention any other countries, but yes it is a global issue and without a global response your pi$$ing into the wind. what ever Canada's response is means nothing if it is not matched by other countries... One would think the government and all it's experts would have including population growth, increased housing, and infrastructure into their calculations, but i guess they skipped those high school classes... Shit most homes in NB are still using heating oil, the worst bulk fuel you can use...just recently there was a program to get your oil funerence replaced but it did not go far enough, and many could not afford to do that...So many things the liberals/NDP could have done with that carbon tax money but they did nothing of any real value...and when it comes to finger pointing they have no one but themselves to blame... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 hours ago, herbie said: No, you are one of those that doesn't get it. YOU have had 10 years to think about it and reduce YOUR carbon emissions. But i paid my carbon tax the whole time so global warming must be solved right? Quote
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 20 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes , lets starting blaming me for climate change I'm not. I'm blaming the attitude you're putting forward as a cause of inaction. Climate change began before either of us was even born, not recognized for ages, known about for over 40 years and some people not only will not support action but want to make it worse for the sake of a few dollars. Quote
Legato Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 10 minutes ago, herbie said: I'm not. I'm blaming the attitude you're putting forward as a cause of inaction. Climate change began before either of us was even born, not recognized for ages, known about for over 40 years and some people not only will not support action but want to make it worse for the sake of a few dollars. The climate's been changing since the planets formation and somehow the greenskins think they can stop it. Lol Quote
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 A hah hah indeed. It's f*cking things up but it's 'natural' so we should just keep our thumbs up or ass. Another example of that attitude resorting to every dimwit excuse. Let's wait for blackbird to tell us that it's Gods way and it would be blasphemous to even think of interfering. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, herbie said: I'm not. I'm blaming the attitude you're putting forward as a cause of inaction. Climate change began before either of us was even born, not recognized for ages, known about for over 40 years and some people not only will not support action but want to make it worse for the sake of a few dollars. That attitude comes from the liberals inaction, they talked a good game even declared it a crises...but did very little else...the collected billions in carbon taxes every year, which could have been used to pay for homes to get off heating oil, put solar up...upgrade insulation , hundreds of things they could have done....even paid to replace those coal fired power plants still in operation....reducing emissions way more than 8.5 %... Another part of the attitude comes from liberals defending this lack of action, i get it it's your home team but come on don't preach about climate change when you team fumbled the ball big time....we have only made it 8.5 % of the way to our signed internationally agreed target...since 2015...at this rate it would take us another 40 to 50 years to make it...thats a failure in my books.... The target date was 2030... The New Liberal candidates like carney want to continue done this path, only he wants to accelerate it, bring the price to 170 per tonne now....That's 60 cents more a liter... and since he has been advising justin on finance matters for years now, what makes you think this spending spree is going to stop....It's not....He is another Justin...and we have enough of justin for now....it is time for the liberals to go... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Just now, Army Guy said: That attitude comes from the liberals inaction Oh give up politicizing everything. We had 2 terms of Harper and he didn't do S.F.A. either. We've gone umpteen elections and are headed for another with Tories having no plan whatsoever. And look south where Drill Drill Drill is their version of Axe The Tax, they're willing to make it worse. It's the attitude of I want more money right f*cking now versus spend a nickel towards the future 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: time....we have only made it 8.5 % of the way to our signed internationally agreed target...since 2015...at this rate it would take us another 40 to 50 years to make it...thats a failure in my books.... You're looking at this the wrong way. It took 40 to 50 years to even get the agreement. The effort put into denial has been that spectacularly successful. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 17 minutes ago, herbie said: A hah hah indeed. It's f*cking things up but it's 'natural' so we should just keep our thumbs up or ass. It's been pointed out to you a billion times the Canada could stop every single drop of pollution and greenhouse gas emission in its entirety and it wouldn't make any difference. And you haven't provided any actual evidence that it's f*cking things up. At least not to a point where we should consider it some sort of Crisis we're throwing our economy over Hey. You had 10 years to fix the problem. You told us the carbon tax would do it. I paid my tax. So you're either a liar or you're retarded and either way why should we listen to what you have to say on the subject moving forward? Quote
Army Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 (edited) 52 minutes ago, herbie said: Oh give up politicizing everything. We had 2 terms of Harper and he didn't do S.F.A. either. We've gone umpteen elections and are headed for another with Tories having no plan whatsoever. And look south where Drill Drill Drill is their version of Axe The Tax, they're willing to make it worse. It's the attitude of I want more money right f*cking now versus spend a nickel towards the future Yes , because liberals don't politicize anything.. Let's clear the air...Justin has had 10 full years to accomlish anything he wanted to...most of that he has enjoyed a majority of support, so anything was possible, ANYTHING...he choose to do nothing thats not on harper, me any conservatives thats on liberals and liberal voters because you voted for him 3 times in a row.... Blaming shit on harper is a worn out excuse, justin has used it for 10 years now....Harper paid for his mistakes by not getting reelected....just like justin is going to pay....You saying conservatives have no plan means nothing, PP plan has been put in the media hundreds of times, and your going to hear it more as the election comes closer....i can assure you your not going to like it...but it is going to be better than the liberals inaction plan.... Are you a climate expert now, if not how can you say conservatives are going to make it worse....you have not even taking the time to find out what the plan is....your just chirping into the wind right now... Thats what most canadians feel right now , climate change is OK as long as i don't have to invest in it...paying a few more cents at the pumps is their limit...Climate change is not an election issue, housing prices , food prices, trump those are the things Canadians want fixed right now, climate change may place a distant 4 or 5 place... The left can chirp all it wants it does the same thing when it comes to social programs we cant afford, Canadians don't care if we cant afford them, they want their piece of the pie....another example of that is during the pandemic, how many canadians applied for programs they did not deserve or qualify for... it cost the country billions...Canadians have always had their hands out....it has become who we are now....gimie gimie .... Even the liberals are changing strips, on the carbon tax they don't believe in it either.... Freeland would ditch consumer carbon tax if chosen leader: source Edited January 16 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: You're looking at this the wrong way. It took 40 to 50 years to even get the agreement. The effort put into denial has been that spectacularly successful. Great so it is not a crises is it....the house is not burning down....see you in another 40 to 50 years we'll talk about the next step... The liberal government failed to sell this to Canadians, can't just call it a crises and walk away from the mic...collect some money give it back to Canadians and call it a win...Your side failed....all the blame belongs to the man in charge of this circus....and in the coming election we will see what the conservatives come up with.... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
taxme Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 On 1/7/2025 at 7:25 PM, BeaverFever said: They’re not ugly at all, they’re actually quite pretty. You think coal fired power plants belching out thick clouds of toxic smog and giant black toxic slag heaps that poison the groundwater for miles are better? vs What's a little smoke? It hasn't killed me yet. 😁 Quote
taxme Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 On 1/3/2025 at 10:26 AM, DUI_Offender said: You must have loved the 2023 forest fires, and the thousands of people that had to evacuate towns in Alberta, that was primarily the result of climate change. There we go again. Anything bad happens in the forests, like forest fires, it's all due to climate change. How the hell would you or anyone else know if a forest fire was the result of a climate crisis change? The climate crisis nonsense is really just another covid 19 hoax. Get the buffoons all worked up to believe that everything bad that happens in nature is due to climate change. What proof can you donate here to prove to me that there is a real climate crisis going on? 🤔 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 58 minutes ago, taxme said: There we go again. Anything bad happens in the forests, like forest fires, it's all due to climate change. How the hell would you or anyone else know if a forest fire was the result of a climate crisis change? The climate crisis nonsense is really just another covid 19 hoax. Get the buffoons all worked up to believe that everything bad that happens in nature is due to climate change. What proof can you donate here to prove to me that there is a real climate crisis going on? 🤔 Well and there's a bigger problem here. Lets take an example. The federal gov't who's responsible for the jasper forest for example was told that unless they removed the dead beetle kill wood and cleaned up the forest and took other actions the forest was at risk of a major fire. They ignored that entirely, did none of the recommended work, there was a major fire. So... what's the "cause" there? The lefties argue its "Climate change" becuase maybe it lead to more beetles (unconfirmed) or the like. But we KNEW there was a problem and did nothing. I think most sane people would say that WE are the problem, not climate change. (well. the federal gov't at any rate). If you know there's a cliff, and you walk off the cliff anyway, it's a little rich to blame gravity for your problems. Quote
eyeball Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: The liberal government failed to sell this to Canadians, can't just call it a crises and walk away from the mic...collect some money give it back to Canadians and call it a win...Your side failed....all the blame belongs to the man in charge of this circus....and in the coming election we will see what the conservatives come up with.... Just more of the same blah blah blah. In any case, recall the old analogy only described one frog in one pot of water. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Great so it is not a crises is it... Denial is the crisis. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Gaétan Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 On 1/3/2025 at 11:17 AM, blackbird said: Trump reportedly said down with windmills. I Agree. They are a blight on the landscape and ruin the beauty of the land. My wife likes to take picture of them because she says they are nice and Trump will do the contrary of what he said. Quote
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