Nationalist Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 (edited) Libbies and Greenies alike... Your stupid, baseless and destructive dreams are over. The USA will bring back common sense. As will Canada and...BTW...Germany. Your reign of destruction is over. Edited January 8 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Army Guy Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 On 1/3/2025 at 11:32 PM, herbie said: Flapping their gums about one so far. construction has started, and they have talked about 6 in total, x 4 to help make hydrogen as a fuel, and x2 for local power grid....there are other projects that are also being talked about as they consider closing the point lepreau plant or updating it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 18 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Natural gas isn’t that clean and produces GHG. The plants and wells are also ugly, as are the spills. Natural gas is Cleaner than all the GHG that go into building windmills, lets not mention all the bird kills, animal behavior changes, land cleared, roads built to service these beast of yours, not to mention there destructive fires that are a happen. Even europe is building more natural gas plants to replace coal and other fossil fuel power plants.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 18 hours ago, BeaverFever said: You say the craziest things. Have you not seen pictures of the blackened toxic moonscape that is the Alberta Tar Sands? Thats what your scared off that they are ugly....those that work in the tar sands are paid very well and they don't mind what it looks like...And the tax guy he likes the taxes collected off those people as well....they don't mind what it looks like....When you can live off grid, completely free of fossil fuels then we will discuss how ugly everything is...and since the next energy source is not around the corner, we are stuck with fossil fuels.... Had the liberals used that carbon tax money to fund other clean energy sources we would be set for the future , but they wasted all that money, wasted all that time...knowing our current infra structure could not handle future needs of ev cars and trucks and everything else that goes with it....That's who we should be pointing our fingers at, 10 years of wasted time.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 8 Report Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: construction has started, Oh FFS post a link. You can post another in 10 years about how it's only 16 years away... 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Natural gas is Cleaner than all the GHG that go into building windmills And where did you get such bizarre information? Never seen one flare off or something? Or just similar to the bullshit that making a battery emits more CO2 than a steel & aluminum engine block? We know LNG is better than oil and coal. But the same thinking affects both sides, if it doesn't fix things 100% it's no good. Interim steps and 75% fixes are worse than keeping your thumb up your ass and doing nothing. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 3 hours ago, herbie said: Oh FFS post a link. You can post another in 10 years about how it's only 16 years away... And where did you get such bizarre information? Never seen one flare off or something? Or just similar to the bullshit that making a battery emits more CO2 than a steel & aluminum engine block? We know LNG is better than oil and coal. But the same thinking affects both sides, if it doesn't fix things 100% it's no good. Interim steps and 75% fixes are worse than keeping your thumb up your ass and doing nothing. I gave you a link, it said all 6 will be operational in 2030, construction on site has already started. you do know how to use goggle...And i did not say anything about the batteries, but yes their manufacture does cause huge amounts of co2 emissions.... NB is full of windmills, google that shit , and find out there are not as green as you think...there has been lots of cases of them burning up....here in NB... Quote You see, renewables like wind turbines will incur far more carbon dioxide emissions in their manufacture and installation than what their operational life will ever save. https://cairnsnews.org/2019/11/10/how-much-co2-gets-emitted-to-build-a-wind-turbine/ No LNG is 100 times better than oil or coal....which is why many extreme climate change nations are still using or converting to natural gas.... The liberal climate policy was not the 75 % solution, not even a 25 % solution...Carbon emissions increased under the liberal government meaning they were no effective at all....So not a whole lot of pressure on PP climate policies to be effective.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 4 hours ago, herbie said: Oh FFS post a link. You can post another in 10 years about how it's only 16 years away... And where did you get such bizarre information? Never seen one flare off or something? Or just similar to the bullshit that making a battery emits more CO2 than a steel & aluminum engine block? We know LNG is better than oil and coal. But the same thinking affects both sides, if it doesn't fix things 100% it's no good. Interim steps and 75% fixes are worse than keeping your thumb up your ass and doing nothing. Go easy on him. Years of KP duty in the army left him with PTSD. Quote
herbie Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 (edited) No, I would actually like to see someone try SMR out. Asides from China. But even imagining design, all the approvals, construction and firing up one can be managed quickly is silly. They can't even build a bridge tunnel or sewage plant in that time, let alone anywhere near on budget. Building a new nuke? HTG we'd be flooded with news about the protesters 5 seconds after a shovel hit the ground. And 20 threads about environazis being opposed to the supposed Green reactors within an hour on this forum. He's just falling into the same trap as the usual anti-EV nutcases, pretending the production of 'normal' cars and extraction and marketing petroleum have zero emissions. I mean touting that windmills are ugly and the oil sands aren't? It's like those FB posts of "vegan" solar farms (while under constructio) as unnatural vs herds of cattle. As if they can't graze on what's under the panels either. I already pointed out that I am NOT opposed to LNG, I've actually fought for it as a logical step to decarbonizing. I cross the new LNG line every time I leave town and several friends earned shitloads of dough working on it. Not like some poisonous potentially ruinous Enbridge oil line where they stood in front of the audience and said <100 yards was 'nowhere near' the creek or lake with an edited map and ran TV ads with no islands where a ferry just hit one and sank. Edited January 9 by herbie Quote
CdnFox Posted January 9 Report Posted January 9 2 hours ago, herbie said: No, I would actually like to see someone try SMR out. Asides from China. But even imagining design, all the approvals, construction and firing up one can be managed quickly is silly. The first ones come online in Canada in just a few years from now And it's expected the approval process will be streamlined once a few have been implemented. And Poilievre is exactly the leader who will likely look at how to successfully streamline that so that approvals go quickly. But we won't be seeing them in British Columbia. A year or two ago the NDP voted again to renew the band on all nuclear power and to make it illegal. You know, because they care so much for the environment. 1 Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 On 1/3/2025 at 10:26 AM, DUI_Offender said: You must have loved the 2023 forest fires, and the thousands of people that had to evacuate towns in Alberta, that was primarily the result of climate change. Windmills stop climate change? wtf Quote
CdnFox Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 5 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Windmills stop climate change? wtf Absolutely. That's why since Ontario and British Columbia have put some up there has been absolutely no forest fires since. It solved climate change FACT SHEET: Climate change and wildfires in Canada 2023 was worst year ever for forest fires oh. er..... Quote
Army Guy Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 On 1/9/2025 at 4:22 PM, herbie said: No, I would actually like to see someone try SMR out. Asides from China. But even imagining design, all the approvals, construction and firing up one can be managed quickly is silly. They can't even build a bridge tunnel or sewage plant in that time, let alone anywhere near on budget. Building a new nuke? HTG we'd be flooded with news about the protesters 5 seconds after a shovel hit the ground. And 20 threads about environazis being opposed to the supposed Green reactors within an hour on this forum. He's just falling into the same trap as the usual anti-EV nutcases, pretending the production of 'normal' cars and extraction and marketing petroleum have zero emissions. I mean touting that windmills are ugly and the oil sands aren't? It's like those FB posts of "vegan" solar farms (while under constructio) as unnatural vs herds of cattle. As if they can't graze on what's under the panels either. I already pointed out that I am NOT opposed to LNG, I've actually fought for it as a logical step to decarbonizing. I cross the new LNG line every time I leave town and several friends earned shitloads of dough working on it. Not like some poisonous potentially ruinous Enbridge oil line where they stood in front of the audience and said <100 yards was 'nowhere near' the creek or lake with an edited map and ran TV ads with no islands where a ferry just hit one and sank. There are dozens of websites out there , involving more than 100 different SMR designs, from most provinces across Canada which has plans to construct SMRs with the first being constructed and operational in NB point lepreau site before 2029...There are other plants being discussed 6 in the northern NB area, x 4 to produce power for the new hydrogen plant and x 2 for the local power distribution.... It should be noted this process started back in 2018....so it is not a new project and it has been in the media plenty of times. i found at least 10 different websites in a 5 min search so i'm sure you environazis are well aware of the project not that it would matter the first SMR will be built on a huge nuclear reactor site already producing power so good luck to the protestors getting in there , as point lepreau has it own contracted SWAT unit, and CFB Gagetown just a hour up the road, which has exercised on site with many different scenarios. such as air defense or hostile takeover...much like any of our nuclear power plants. Quote Deployment of ARC Clean Technology Canada Inc's ARC-100 100 MWe sodium-cooled fast reactor in New Brunswick, with a fully operational unit at the Point Lepreau site by 2029, is a key objective of Stream 2 of that plan, https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Permitting-submissions-made-for-New-Brunswick-SMR Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 I live where there have been huge announcements about hydorgen plants, chopstick factories, biomass and more for the last 30 years. ONE finger joint plant run 1/2 and 1/2 with the Band lasted a decade. Every other one died when some other country offered better subsidies (and died there too for the same reason) or petered out the minute grants and subsidies dried up. So we'll see in 2029 won't we? Lobby for an LNG pipe back East. I mean really lobby, it's gas not oil so Quebec can't carry on about leaks and they not only need it, so do the Atlantic provinces, And we could sure use an Atlantic export terminal for the European markets. You can build that the fastest, reduce home heating costs and cut CO2 emissions significantly. Now, not decades later. So long as we don't stop actions on every other alternative and have to listen to moronic gripes like they're ugly (as if smokestacks and cooling towers are f*cking works of art). Quote
Aristides Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 On 1/3/2025 at 7:17 PM, Army Guy said: That was already proven that 95 % of those fires were caused by moroons, starting them.....one has to ask if climate change is the real factor here why are they not doing more to prevent fires like forrest management, or preventive maintenance, nope we'll blame it on climate change call it a day, next year we'll boost carbon taxes so we can lie and give them back more than they put into it....nope not really , cause that has reduced climate change here in Canada....nope not really...here is a suggestion keep the moroons out of the Forrest.... No it hasn't, the ratio of human caused and lightening caused is about 50/50. As population increases and global warming causes more severe thunderstorm activity, fires caused by both will continue to increase. Quote
herbie Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 The number of forest fires blamed on people tossing smokes out their car windows is in inverse proportion to the declining number of smokers. Kind of like a great number of people in BC still blaming fires people starting them in order to 'get work'. Despite the fact you got drafted and didn't get paid in the old days and need training and qualifications now. Any excuse to deny climate change, any excuse at all. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 (edited) 21 hours ago, Aristides said: No it hasn't, the ratio of human caused and lightening caused is about 50/50. As population increases and global warming causes more severe thunderstorm activity, fires caused by both will continue to increase. Quote Wildfires can occur naturally, ignited by the sun’s heat or a lightning strike. Most begin with human activities such as unattended fires, discarded cigarettes, burning debris, equipment malfunctions, fireworks, and ammunition. There are many ways a fire can begin and each year it's a little different. For example, in Alberta, in 2020, 88% were caused by humans. Then there were 68% caused by humans between 2017 and 2022. https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/7f0f7973fcbd4e768dfcb0cb146b654c Quote In Alberta, there were 1088 in 2023. With 61% caused by humans, 35% lightning, and 4% are under investigatio there are plenty of sites out there each producing various amounts and causes, and each province is different Quebec has the highest lightning strike fires, while Nova Scotia more than 90 % or there fires were man made....Most of the above are taken from Alberta.... So yes my original quote of 95 % of all fires are man made is wrong, and various year to year... Edited January 12 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 37 minutes ago, herbie said: The number of forest fires blamed on people tossing smokes out their car windows is in inverse proportion to the declining number of smokers. Kind of like a great number of people in BC still blaming fires people starting them in order to 'get work'. Despite the fact you got drafted and didn't get paid in the old days and need training and qualifications now. Any excuse to deny climate change, any excuse at all. Nobody is denying anything, but one can not blame climate change for everything....the fact that climate change has been a matter of record for decades now, and yet we have done NO or very little Forrest management, nor have we grown our NATIONAL fighting capability, or developed a national fire fighting program...is telling, i guess we will wait until next decade....a moose farts in the north and poof we blame it on climate change.... The fact i gave you sources that do state that human are causing most of these fires mean nothing to you....And when you look at how many fires Canada has had today and in the past, the last couple of years has not been the worst on record, more to the fact that larger and more fires burnt canada prior to climate change even being a thing....SO hanging all of this on climate change is BS....does climate change have a factor i'm sure it does, but not to the extent the media cry's when one fire starts, and the environmentalists get a hold of it and run....and then we have the liberal government who love anything to do with climate change...and the only thing we have done is put a price on carbon, thinking that we are doing our part for climate change....we either get on the horse or off the horse...but liberal half ass measures are not working ...want to whine about something whine about that... https://climaterealists.ca/record-forest-fires-in-canada-only-if-you-ignore-history/ 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is denying anything, but one can not blame climate change for everything.... For the umpteenth goddamn time...climate change only makes wildfires worse it doesn't cause them. 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...the fact that climate change has been a matter of record for decades now, and yet we have done NO or very little Forrest management, nor have we grown our NATIONAL fighting capability, or developed a national fire fighting program...is telling Yeah, it's telling us how effective decades of denial has been. Why spend money managing anything for climate change if it's a nothing-burger? It's just common sense. 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...but liberal half ass measures are not working...want to whine about something whine about that... The Liberals mismanagement of the climate file has created a level of cynicism that's resulted in pushing public concern for the climate onto the back burner while boosting an outlook for fossil fuels that hasn't been seen in decades. Good job. Edited January 12 by eyeball 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 1 minute ago, eyeball said: For the umpteenth goddamn time...climate change only makes wildfires worse it doesn't cause them. Yeah, it's telling us how effective denial has been. Why spend money managing anything for climate change if it's not real? It's just common sense. The Liberals mismanagement of the climate file has created a level of cynicism that's resulted in pushing public concern for the climate onto the back burner while boosting an outlook for fossil fuels that hasn't been seen in decades. Good job. We already know that, but have failed to take any action on that fact ...such as Forrest management, investing in Forrest fire prevention, equipment, and training for more fire fighters...The government knows that, but shrugs it shoulders so it can't be very important can it...And according to the media climate change is the cause of all these fires , read some of the headlines.... Climate change is a global problem....and until the entire global takes it seriously nothing we do in canada is going to change anything.... Canadians don't want to pay out of pocket for climate change, because they know it is a global problem that requires a global solution....and nothing Canada does will change anything in the climate change realm....the entire globe has put climate change on hold. were to busy killing each other, preparing for tariffs, figuring out how to make 2 % of GDP for our security apparatus... you know the day to day stuff...And just for the record, this is a Liberal/NDP issue they were in charge and did squat....look at them for how our nation faired in the climate change world....maybe you should have voted for the windbag green party for better results... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: For the umpteenth goddamn time...climate change only makes wildfires worse it doesn't cause them. That's not possible. I've been paying my carbon tax for a decade and a half now. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 I can't believe we are going to have to put up with 4 more years of trump's antics. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 33 minutes ago, eyeball said: The Liberals mismanagement of the climate file has created a level of cynicism that's resulted in pushing public concern for the climate onto the back burner while boosting an outlook for fossil fuels that hasn't been seen in decades. Good job. All my research on climate change, including numerous near crisis situations in the Southwest United States, would eventually lead the nation to look towards Canada to quench it's thirst. The whole issues that Trump has brought up to impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico, are a distraction for the most hawkish members of MAGA, who want to outright annex our country. The US wants to deplete our water resources, and are prepared to use force, if we resist. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: All my research on climate change, including numerous near crisis situations in the Southwest United States, would eventually lead the nation to look towards Canada to quench it's thirst. The whole issues that Trump has brought up to impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico, are a distraction for the most hawkish members of MAGA, who want to outright annex our country. The US wants to deplete our water resources, and are prepared to use force, if we resist. Thats it you nailed it....they are coming for you......i know i guy that builds underground bunkers, you need to get one, and store it with food and water, because they are coming for it all....RUN FORREST RUN......Maybe Thats what the liberals could run on building the wall keep those damn yankees out.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is denying anything, but one can not blame climate change for everything.... No but we can pin a lot on those who deny climate change for stalling plans to prepare for it by everyone else. With prolonged heat, drought, lack of infrastructure and preparedness and recurring cycles of high wind the current fires were inevitable. Hell I remember driving the coast highway in the early 1970s thinking WTH are these people doing building houses hanging from cliffs in an earthquake zone and coastal erosion? Didn't even think with the scrub as being from Canada I only equated huge actual forests with fires. Now we see those fires burning right into towns here too. Kelowna, Jasper, etc. Plan for the worst and all that. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 4 minutes ago, herbie said: No but we can pin a lot on those who deny climate change for stalling plans to prepare for it by everyone else. With prolonged heat, drought, lack of infrastructure and preparedness and recurring cycles of high wind the current fires were inevitable. Hell I remember driving the coast highway in the early 1970s thinking WTH are these people doing building houses hanging from cliffs in an earthquake zone and coastal erosion? Didn't even think with the scrub as being from Canada I only equated huge actual forests with fires. Now we see those fires burning right into towns here too. Kelowna, Jasper, etc. Plan for the worst and all that. How can the liberals blame denying of climate change for stalling plans , when first elected they had a majority, then came the NDP, are you suggesting the NDP stalled plans, Conservatives had no power to stall any plans, regardless of what their policies were about climate change....lets face it it was never a liberal/ ndp priority....carbon taxes where enough of a distraction for the people... Yes liberal policies made climate change a whole lot easier.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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