A simple solution to reduce the number of murders in Canada

[blackbird]

They give MAID to all kinds of people who have committed no crime such as old people, handicapped people, and mentally ill people.

Yet 83 people have been murdered in Toronto up to today and it is costing taxpayers a fortune to keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is often the case.

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

Every day someone is shot to death or stabbed to death.   The police are working hard but they cannot stop it.  The judicial system is very lenient and is making things worse.  The streets are full of dangerous, mentally ill people who should not be there.

So once suspects are given a fair trial and with DNA evidence if possible, they should be given MAID.  That would act as a major deterrent and remove that particular one from repeating the offence again.   This should include drivers who willingly act totally irresponsibly by drinking, taking drugs, and speeding very fast and kill pedestrians..  We have had a number of these cases in recent times.  This needs to end.

MAID involves giving three injections, beginning with a sedative injection and followed by two injections that stop the body function and heart.  This is quick and possibly painless.  A good way to deal with them.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

They give MAID to all kinds of people who have committed no crime such as old people, handicapped people, and mentally ill people.

Yet 83 people have been murdered in Toronto up to today and it is costing taxpayers a fortune to keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is often the case.

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

Every day someone is shot to death or stabbed to death.   The police are working hard but they cannot stop it.  The judicial system is very lenient and is making things worse.  The streets are full of dangerous, mentally ill people who should not be there.

So once suspects are given a fair trial and with DNA evidence if possible, they should be given MAID.  That would act as a major deterrent and remove that particular one from repeating the offence again.   This should include drivers who willingly act totally irresponsibly by drinking, taking drugs, and speeding very fast and kill pedestrians..  We have had a number of these cases in recent times.  This needs to end.

MAID involves giving three injections, beginning with a sedative injection and followed by two injections that stop the body function and heart.  This is quick and possibly painless.  A good way to deal with them.

Murders are a colateral effect of using money then the way to get rid of murders is to get rid of money.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

 

You are weird. Full of contradiction. While you claim to be a practicing Christian but you post and ask the West to provide more lethal weapons to Israel to kill more than 50,000 they already killed in Gaza and then while you deny doctor assisted suicide to those terminally ill and in great pain as you wish to see them suffer in extreme pain to the last day but you wish MAID for murderers.

Yes we should terminate convicted murders also repeated sex offenders but in a usual manner. Hanged till death or electric chair but again many religious people and leftists oppose to even eliminate the worst people.

[Michael Hardner]

Not a serious thread.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

They give MAID to all kinds of people who have committed no crime such as old people, handicapped people, and mentally ill people.

Yet 83 people have been murdered in Toronto up to today and it is costing taxpayers a fortune to keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is often the case.

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

Every day someone is shot to death or stabbed to death.   The police are working hard but they cannot stop it.  The judicial system is very lenient and is making things worse.  The streets are full of dangerous, mentally ill people who should not be there.

So once suspects are given a fair trial and with DNA evidence if possible, they should be given MAID.  That would act as a major deterrent and remove that particular one from repeating the offence again.   This should include drivers who willingly act totally irresponsibly by drinking, taking drugs, and speeding very fast and kill pedestrians..  We have had a number of these cases in recent times.  This needs to end.

MAID involves giving three injections, beginning with a sedative injection and followed by two injections that stop the body function and heart.  This is quick and possibly painless.  A good way to deal with them.

So your argument is that we should give the power of life and death to Justin Trudeau? You figure that guy is competent to decide who is worth killing and who isn't?

You realize that he would have killed all of the truckers Convoy people and the Palestinians trying to bring down Canada would still be running around

Never ever ever give the power of life and death to the state. They will misuse it as they misuse absolutely everything else and there can be no going back from it. Dead is dead

[herbie]

56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not a serious thread.

Mr. True Christian endorsing killing people from his pulpit.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not a serious thread.

"Why are we even talking about this"? 

Sigh. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Mr. True Christian endorsing killing people from his pulpit.

" 6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. " Genesis 9:6 KJV

If God ordered capital punishment for murder, why do you oppose God and claim it is against "Christianity"?  Which evil spirit are you listening to today?

"1  Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered} 2  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. "  Romans 13:1-4 KJV

Edited December 19, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Mr. True Christian endorsing killing people from his pulpit.

I prefer to listen to what God has said in his word (Genesis 9:6) which ordained capital punishment for murderers.  You prefer to let these heinous people escape what they are due.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are weird. Full of contradiction. While you claim to be a practicing Christian but you post and ask the West to provide more lethal weapons to Israel to kill more than 50,000 they already killed in Gaza

Where did I post that?   You are inventing things now.  Also changing the subject.

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

then while you deny doctor assisted suicide to those terminally ill and in great pain as you wish to see them suffer in extreme pain to the last day but you wish MAID for murderers.

You are one very confused individual.   You don't understand the difference between killing a person with assisted suicide and capital punishment for murder.  The Bible (God's word) forbids killing people.  But the Bible allows for the exception for capital punishment for murder when done by a proper justice system and legitimate process.

You appear to have come from a backward country in the middle east or Asia that does not hold Judeo-Christian or Biblical beliefs at all but you failed to learn the basics of western civilization and beliefs.  Your thinking is very confused and irrational as a result. 

 It is clear you don't know the difference between taking innocent life as in abortion and capital punishment for murder in the legal system.

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes we should terminate convicted murders also repeated sex offenders but in a usual manner. Hanged till death or electric chair but again many religious people and leftists oppose to even eliminate the worst people.

I know many religious people and leftists oppose capital punishment for murderers.  That is another problem.

Hanged to death or electric chair might be opposed by more people and is an older way of execution.

The MAID method might appeal to more people because it is not supposed to be painful and is more peaceful.  But it accomplishes the same thing.  Thousands of people are receiving MAID each year in Canada.  It might be more palatable to people who oppose the death penalty.

Edited December 20, 2024 by blackbird

[NAME REMOVED]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

They give MAID to all kinds of people who have committed no crime such as old people, handicapped people, and mentally ill people.

Yet 83 people have been murdered in Toronto up to today and it is costing taxpayers a fortune to keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is often the case.

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

Every day someone is shot to death or stabbed to death.   The police are working hard but they cannot stop it.  The judicial system is very lenient and is making things worse.  The streets are full of dangerous, mentally ill people who should not be there.

So once suspects are given a fair trial and with DNA evidence if possible, they should be given MAID.  That would act as a major deterrent and remove that particular one from repeating the offence again.   This should include drivers who willingly act totally irresponsibly by drinking, taking drugs, and speeding very fast and kill pedestrians..  We have had a number of these cases in recent times.  This needs to end.

MAID involves giving three injections, beginning with a sedative injection and followed by two injections that stop the body function and heart.  This is quick and possibly painless.  A good way to deal with them.

What you are trying to say is, bring back the death penalty. Capital punishment has been proven not to be a deterrent to crime, and also it is more expensive to put someone to death, than it is to send them to prison for life. I am against capital punishment, for pragmatic purposes. If it was cheaper, and was a proven deterrent to crime, I would be in favour of it.

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

it is more expensive to put someone to death, than it is to send them to prison for life.

That is not a rational claim.  Nobody believes that.  How much would it cost to bring in a medical professional to give the injections needed for medical assistance in dying?  Maybe a few hundred dollars.

Versus how much a year does it cost to keep a prisoner in prison? Hundreds of thousands.

Obviously absurd to say it is more expensive to give MAID.   

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Capital punishment has been proven not to be a deterrent to crime

Whether it is a deterrent or not, it brings justice.  There is no justice to the families of victims when a murderer is sentence to life but then, after 20 years, is given parole board hearings every few years forcing the victim's families to have to attend and fight against the criminal's release.  That is not justice.  It is time the justice system started thinking about the victim's families.

It could be a deterrent in some potential murderer's mind.

But it needs to be done simply because it is the right thing to do and is ordained in Genesis 9:6.

Edited December 20, 2024 by blackbird

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9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is not a rational claim.  Nobody believes that. 

 

Why is the death penalty so expensive?
 

• Legal costs: Almost all peo­ple who face the death penal­ty can­not afford their own attor­ney. The state must assign pub­lic defend­ers or court-appoint­ed lawyers to rep­re­sent them (the accept­ed prac­tice is to assign two lawyers), and pay for the costs of the pros­e­cu­tion as well.
• Pre-tri­al costs: Capital cas­es are far more com­pli­cat­ed than non-cap­i­tal cas­es and take longer to go to tri­al. Experts will prob­a­bly be need­ed on foren­sic evi­dence, men­tal health, and the back­ground and life his­to­ry of the defen­dant. County tax­pay­ers pick up the costs of added secu­ri­ty and longer pre-trial detention.
• Jury selec­tion: Because of the need to ques­tion jurors thor­ough­ly on their views about the death penal­ty, jury selec­tion in cap­i­tal cas­es is much more time con­sum­ing and expensive.
• Trial: Death-penal­ty tri­als can last more than four times longer than non-cap­i­tal tri­als, requir­ing juror and attor­ney com­pen­sa­tion, in addi­tion to court per­son­nel and oth­er related costs.
• Incarceration: Most death rows involve soli­tary con­fine­ment in a spe­cial facil­i­ty. These require more secu­ri­ty and oth­er accom­mo­da­tions as the pris­on­ers are kept for 23 hours a day in their cells.
• Appeals: To min­i­mize mis­takes, every pris­on­er is enti­tled to a series of appeals. The costs are borne at tax­pay­ers’ expense. These appeals are essen­tial because some inmates have come with­in hours of exe­cu­tion before evi­dence was uncov­ered prov­ing their innocence.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

But it needs to be done simply because it is the right thing to do and is ordained in Genesis 9:6.

 

 "You sit there and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere! Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16... Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!"

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

I prefer to listen to what God has said in his word (Genesis 9:6) which ordained capital punishment for murderers.  You prefer to let these heinous people escape what they are due.

Stuck in the Old Testament. Nuff said.

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Why is the death penalty so expensive?
 

• Legal costs: Almost all peo­ple who face the death penal­ty can­not afford their own attor­ney. The state must assign pub­lic defend­ers or court-appoint­ed lawyers to rep­re­sent them (the accept­ed prac­tice is to assign two lawyers), and pay for the costs of the pros­e­cu­tion as well.
• Pre-tri­al costs: Capital cas­es are far more com­pli­cat­ed than non-cap­i­tal cas­es and take longer to go to tri­al. Experts will prob­a­bly be need­ed on foren­sic evi­dence, men­tal health, and the back­ground and life his­to­ry of the defen­dant. County tax­pay­ers pick up the costs of added secu­ri­ty and longer pre-trial detention.
• Jury selec­tion: Because of the need to ques­tion jurors thor­ough­ly on their views about the death penal­ty, jury selec­tion in cap­i­tal cas­es is much more time con­sum­ing and expensive.
• Trial: Death-penal­ty tri­als can last more than four times longer than non-cap­i­tal tri­als, requir­ing juror and attor­ney com­pen­sa­tion, in addi­tion to court per­son­nel and oth­er related costs.
• Incarceration: Most death rows involve soli­tary con­fine­ment in a spe­cial facil­i­ty. These require more secu­ri­ty and oth­er accom­mo­da­tions as the pris­on­ers are kept for 23 hours a day in their cells.
• Appeals: To min­i­mize mis­takes, every pris­on­er is enti­tled to a series of appeals. The costs are borne at tax­pay­ers’ expense. These appeals are essen­tial because some inmates have come with­in hours of exe­cu­tion before evi­dence was uncov­ered prov­ing their innocence.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/costs

The answer is simple to that.

Pass laws that say exactly how it will work along with time limits.  Do not allow phony appeals.  Only allow appeals that can be justified .

I once wrote to the Minister of Justice about a case involving a man who was wanted for extradition to California for murder and he was delaying it with appeals for five years.  The answer to me is everyone is entitled to appeal.   That is a very weak answer.  An appeal has to be legitimate, not an invented excuse.  

It all depends on how the law is written.  If you want to have all kinds of loopholes, that can happen.  It must be written in a way to make it bullet proof.  And if the legal process is done expeditiously, it should limit the amount of money involved.  It would be far less expensive than keeping people in prison for hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

 

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Stuck in the Old Testament. Nuff said.

The New Testament says something similar in Romans ch13, which I quoted above.  Where does it say anywhere that capital punishment for murder is no longer justified or valid?  The Old Testament statement on capital punishment has no time limit.  The reason it gives is eternal.  That reason still stands.  God said man was made in the image of God and nobody has the right to kill humans except for certain cases as described in the Bible.   Authorities have the right in the enforcement of the law (Romans ch.13).  Self defence is another exception.

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So your argument is that we should give the power of life and death to Justin Trudeau? You figure that guy is competent to decide who is worth killing and who isn't?

No.  Never said anything about giving power to Trudeau.   His time as PM is limited and hopefully he will out soon.

Who gets capital punishment is decided by the courts and laws that govern them anyway.  

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Never ever ever give the power of life and death to the state.

Nonsense.  Who else is responsible for law and order?  We just need a government that puts law and order at the top of the agenda and understands their job is to protect the public.

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The New Testament says something similar in Romans ch13, which I quoted above.  Where does it say anywhere that capital punishment for murder is no longer justified or valid?  The Old Testament statement on capital punishment has no time limit.  The reason it gives is eternal.  That reason still stands.  God said man was made in the image of God and nobody has the right to kill humans except for certain cases as described in the Bible.   Authorities have the right in the enforcement of the law (Romans ch.13).  Self defence is another exception.

No it doesn't and beware of those who claim to speak for a god.

Edited December 20, 2024 by Aristides

[paradox34]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

They give MAID to all kinds of people who have committed no crime such as old people, handicapped people, and mentally ill people.

Yet 83 people have been murdered in Toronto up to today and it is costing taxpayers a fortune to keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is often the case.

The simple solution is to give MAID (medical assistance in dying) to the murderers.  

Every day someone is shot to death or stabbed to death.   The police are working hard but they cannot stop it.  The judicial system is very lenient and is making things worse.  The streets are full of dangerous, mentally ill people who should not be there.

So once suspects are given a fair trial and with DNA evidence if possible, they should be given MAID.  That would act as a major deterrent and remove that particular one from repeating the offence again.   This should include drivers who willingly act totally irresponsibly by drinking, taking drugs, and speeding very fast and kill pedestrians..  We have had a number of these cases in recent times.  This needs to end.

MAID involves giving three injections, beginning with a sedative injection and followed by two injections that stop the body function and heart.  This is quick and possibly painless.  A good way to deal with them.

Another way is to repeal all gun laws. The popular police slogan "to serve and protect" is a blatant lie. The police have not, cannot and never will protect life or property. Their job begins AFTER you've been victimized. Only an armed citizen can protect himself, herself. Gun laws unequivocally prove that politicians have absolutely no interest in public safety.

Edited December 20, 2024 by paradox34

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

Another way is to repeal all gun laws. The popular police slogan "to serve and protect" is a blatant lie. The police have not, cannot and never will protect life or property. Their job begins AFTER you've been victimized. Only an armed citizen can protect himself, herself. Gun laws unequivocally prove that politicians have absolutely no interest in public safety.

Our homicide rates compared to the gun loons south of us say otherwise.  So does every other country with sensible gun laws.

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The answer is simple to that.

Pass laws that say exactly how it will work along with time limits.  Do not allow phony appeals.  Only allow appeals that can be justified .

Dozens of innocent people in the United States have been executed for crimes they did not commit. Everyone in a free and just society is entitled to due process if the law. I would rather 100 criminals go free, then for one innocent man to be condoned to death, for a crime he did not commit.

[Venandi]

48 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

The popular police slogan "to serve and protect" is a blatant lie. The police have not, cannot and never will protect life or property.

I think a lot of people don't accept the reality of that and would argue that it isn't the case by virtue of the fact that there was a response to a 911 call.

Police are considered to be the "guardians of society" rather than the protector of individuals... there's a big difference. 

The guardian of society concept usually comes to the fore in cases where a clear and obvious failure to protect (say spousal violence with a peace bond in place) is challenged under the notion of their having been a duty to protect that went unfulfilled... or perhaps not fulfilled in a timely enough manner. The person would be arrested and charged in that example but at the time of the occurrence, the victim is actually more alone than you might expect. It doesn't mean there isn't a coded response to the 911 call, only that the duty to protect prior to the occurrence isn't actionable. 

Making the case that it is, or should be, is a losing proposition in virtually all instances that I'm aware of.   

I think this came up while training with the OPP back in the day, I was a bit surprised by it... I suppose it makes sense if you think about it though. Where's a lawyer when you need one eh. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Venandi

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Canadian law was largely based on British law. For most of Canadian history (until recent times), we based our laws on the British system. The UK abolished capital punishment decades ago. Canada followed in 1976. One of the turning points for the abolition of capital punishment in Great Britain, was the infamous case of Timothy Evans in the late 1940s.

Evans was convicted of killing his wife and daughter, and hanged for it on March 9, 1950. It was later revealed that Evans, who was of low IQ, and illiterate, signed a confession under duress. The man responsible, John Reginald Christie, testified for the prosecution in Evans trial. He was the caretaker of the apartment the Evans family resided in. 

Evans later was found to not only be guilty of killing Evans wife, and infant daughter, but he was charged with several other murders, mainly prostitutes, and his wife (when she threatened to go to authorities). Christie was later executed for this crime in 1953. In the aftermath of this case, the tribunal that led the inquest of the wrongful conviction of Timothy Evans, recommended that the UK abolish capital punishment, which they eventually did.

 

 

Timothy Evans executed (from the award winning movie "10 Rillington Place" 

 

 

Ending scene to 10 Rillington Place. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

No.  Never said anything about giving power to Trudeau.   His time as PM is limited and hopefully he will out soon.

Sure you did. He's the current prime minister. For all you know he could be the next prime minister. His father got fired and then came back after  and won again.  

And even if it's not trudeau you don't know if the next liberal will be just as woke and stupid. 

A country that elected Trudeau once may elect someone exactly like him in the future and that's who you're talking about giving the power of life and death to

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Who gets capital punishment is decided by the courts and laws that govern them anyway.  

And guess who makes the laws. Trudeau and the liberals of the moment and it will be the liberals someday again in the future

 

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Nonsense.  Who else is responsible for law and order? 

The.  Government.  Don't give them the power of life and death over people. 

About the best you can get away with safely is pushing for life imprisonment with no chance of parole being a thing. Basically locking people up and throwing away the key and letting them die of old age. At least in that case if evidence appears down the road that they were actually innocent you can at least give them some of their life back. And governments can't shut people up by killing them.

But unless you're willing to give the same organization that declared our modern-day equivalent of Martial law on people over a bouncy castle the legal right to kill you then it's a bad idea.

[Aristides]

Our sentencing and parole systems leave a lot to be desired but that isn't a justification for judicial killing.