Another Monster Attacks a School

[impartialobserver]

From the manifesto that Rupnow created (police have not verified), she was quite disturbed. Her manifesto speaks of alienation, discontent, and a loathing of humanity. Her affinity for mass shootings was due to it thinning the herd or natural selection. Removing the weak and pathetic, in other words. As for her being at a religious school, it is my theory that her parents thought it would "set her straight". Religious school supposedly being superior to public school and so would smooth out the proverbial wrinkles. If my parents had done this.. my anger level would have risen to immeasurable heights. Not saying that I would have killed anyone but it would not have had the desired effect. The distinct lack of politics in her motives is probably why this story has dissipated so quickly. 

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

 The distinct lack of politics in her motives is probably why this story has dissipated so quickly. 

Exactly astute...

Were it a Muslim, a woke or MAGA type, a Chud of any variety, we'd be hearing about how typical this person is of her clan.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly astute...

Were it a Muslim, a woke or MAGA type, a Chud of any variety, we'd be hearing about how typical this person is of her clan.

Being that everyone in a group behaves EXACTLY the same way.. know the behavior of one and you know the behavioral of all. I have a shirt from the band, KMFDM, much like the shooter Natalie Rupnow. I went to one of their shows in Boise in 2015. So then I must be itching to do a mass killing of my own.. by that logic. 

[User]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly astute...

Were it a Muslim, a woke or MAGA type, a Chud of any variety, we'd be hearing about how typical this person is of her clan.

Or if it were an "assault weapon" or "high capacity" magazine we would be hearing about how we must pass the assault weapons ban! 

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, User said:

Or if it were an "assault weapon" or "high capacity" magazine we would be hearing about how we must pass the assault weapons ban! 

Poor analogy.  I wasn't taking about the physical means of the event but how people attribute the perpetrators.

You're adding to my assertion, which is a positive development... for you.

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Poor analogy.  I wasn't taking about the physical means of the event but how people attribute the perpetrators.

You're adding to my assertion, which is a positive development... for you.

You have to admit that he is correct. Had the shooter used an AR-15, we would have heard more about it. As it is, the story was dust binned after 2 or 3 days. No political motives, shooter and victims where both white, used a garden variety handgun, etc. Dig into the story and it has nothing that you can run with (so to speak). At the root of her discontent was a tumultuous family situation. One that happens thousands of times every day. 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You have to admit that he is correct. Had the shooter used an AR-15, we would have heard more about it. As it is, the story was dust binned after 2 or 3 days. No political motives, shooter and victims where both white, used a garden variety handgun, etc. Dig into the story and it has nothing that you can run with (so to speak). At the root of her discontent was a tumultuous family situation. One that happens thousands of times every day. 

Sure, but you can also assume that if they had a faster weapon then there'd be more victims. 

I'm all in favor of a complete gun ban. They should create a new way of regulating militias to satisfy the Constitution. 

That way every drunk loser who takes his own life via the handgun in his drawer will be saved. 

Probably means we'll have more posters on here too. We move forward...

So there's that benefit.

[User]

56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Poor analogy.  I wasn't taking about the physical means of the event but how people attribute the perpetrators.

You're adding to my assertion, which is a positive development... for you.

It wasn’t an analogy.

Just making the point that folks on the left have abandoned this incident as it doesn’t fit much of their more gun control narratives centered around banning assault weapons.

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, User said:

Just making the point that folks on the left have abandoned this incident as it doesn’t fit much of their more gun control narratives centered around banning assault weapons.

You make it sound like everyone on the left got a note that said drop it. 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

You have to admit that he is correct. Had the shooter used an AR-15, we would have heard more about it. As it is, the story was dust binned after 2 or 3 days. No political motives, shooter and victims where both white, used a garden variety handgun, etc. Dig into the story and it has nothing that you can run with (so to speak). At the root of her discontent was a tumultuous family situation. One that happens thousands of times every day. 

That or these incidents have become so commonplace that only 2 dead and 6 wounded doesn't make much of an impression anymore.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sure, but you can also assume that if they had a faster weapon then there'd be more victims. 

 

An AR is no faster than a semi-automatic pistol. They are the same speed

[User]

On 12/26/2024 at 11:46 PM, CdnFox said:

An AR is no faster than a semi-automatic pistol. They are the same speed

Some of these people have no clue what they are talking about. 

[gatomontes99]

On 12/26/2024 at 11:46 PM, CdnFox said:

An AR is no faster than a semi-automatic pistol. They are the same speed

But it looks scary! And the media says AR bad! So AR bad!

I heard one walked into a store and robbed it! It had a 100 shot clip and was full auto machine gun!

Edited December 29, 2024 by gatomontes99

[Aristides]

On 12/28/2024 at 10:02 AM, User said:

Some of these people have no clue what they are talking about. 

Muzzle velocity and accuracy increases with barrel length.  

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Muzzle velocity and accuracy increases with barrel length.  

Only if the person using the firearm has had formal training. Plus the coefficient of drag to rifle twist.

[Aristides]

30 minutes ago, Legato said:

Only if the person using the firearm has had formal training. Plus the coefficient of drag to rifle twist.

Oh bullshit. That's like saying a person with no drivers  license running into a crowd with a mini can do as much damage as one driving a truck. If hand guns were as powerful and accurate as long guns, there would be no need for long guns. 

[User]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Oh bullshit. That's like saying a person with no drivers  license running into a crowd with a mini can do as much damage as one driving a truck. If hand guns were as powerful and accurate as long guns, there would be no need for long guns. 

The point being made was not one of "power" or "accuracy", but of speed. A semi automatic pistol fires as fast as you can pull the trigger, just like a semi-automatic rifle. At these distances, a pistol is as accurate as a rifle. 

Figuring that most of these mass shootings are taking place in confined spaces, and some of the worst mass shootings in history were done with pistols, the point remains that in regards to the overall lethality for how quickly people can be shot there isn't a whole lot of difference between a pistol and a rifle in these circumstances. 

We are not talking about someone 300 meters away in almost all of these shootings... 

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, User said:

The point being made was not one of "power" or "accuracy", but of speed. A semi automatic pistol fires as fast as you can pull the trigger, just like a semi-automatic rifle. At these distances, a pistol is as accurate as a rifle. 

Figuring that most of these mass shootings are taking place in confined spaces, and some of the worst mass shootings in history were done with pistols, the point remains that in regards to the overall lethality for how quickly people can be shot there isn't a whole lot of difference between a pistol and a rifle in these circumstances. 

We are not talking about someone 300 meters away in almost all of these shootings... 

The worst shootings have taken place with long guns (Las Vegas) A person with no experience will be hard pressed to hit anything from 20 ft with a hand gun.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The worst shootings have taken place with long guns (Las Vegas) A person with no experience will be hard pressed to hit anything from 20 ft with a hand gun.

2 of the deadliest mass shootings, in the top 10 of all mass shootings:

Virginia Tech - Handguns
Lubbys Cafe - Handgun

 

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Oh bullshit. That's like saying a person with no drivers  license running into a crowd with a mini can do as much damage as one driving a truck. If hand guns were as powerful and accurate as long guns, there would be no need for long guns. 

Only bullshit to the fudds.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Muzzle velocity and accuracy increases with barrel length.  

You don't even have the slightest clue about guns. We already know that.

Are you honestly suggesting that somehow it's fine to be shot with a pistol but not an AR? They are fast bullets but they're 22 caliber. I guarantee you're more likely to die if I shoot you at close range with a 44 Mag. Doesn't really matter which one is better at 300 yards considering the shootings don't take place of those ranges.

If you spent half the time and energy you do trying to come up with fake reasons to hate guns on thinking of actual solutions to violence you probably have actually solved the problem by now