Army Guy Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 23 hours ago, Aristides said: Knives are a tool used for a multitude of things and we do ban some types of knives, but you can put a razor edge on a dinner knife if you have a mind too. So is a fire arm, just another tool, only difference is our current government is being lobbied hard by anti gun nuts to ban all private ownership of fire arms, and most Canadians believe they are dangerous and nobody should have access to one......and have used every lie in the book to convince Canadians that guns are bad... How do we explain replica fire arms, airsoft, paintball, BB and pellet rifles that"LOOK" like military arms...and then the hundards of bolt action rifles or pump action shot guns....the liberals explain them as guns designed to kill maximum amount of people in the shortest amount of time...... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Nefarious Banana Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 Go back far enough . . . if Great Grandpa didn't hunt, you wouldn't be here. Don't comply . . . your choice. Quote
Black Dog Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 14 hours ago, CdnFox said: Why? They'll just start shooting people? We get it. What you want is a nanny state. We don't. And people are obviously sick of your woke crap. If you ban guns they use knives. If you been nice they use hammers. If you ban hammers they use vehicles. And so on and so forth lol as I suspected all the handwriniging by you about stabbings was just a front. You don't give a shit, you aren't interested in solutions at any level. Quote The actual answer is you address the people. Most of these guys doing the stabbing have been in jail for violent crimes before but we're released. Most of the criminals have no fear of the legal system and no they will be out in 5 minutes. And the ones with mental health issues (other than the liberals) are going without treatment. But instead of spending three or four billion dollars on better mental health we're spending it on a gun by back which will not save a single life. I realized that Lefties do not want to go after people for being criminals or deal with their mental health issues. For you it must seem like going after family. As I pointed out in another thread, the left wanted to reallocate resources from the carceral system to mental health and other social service sand you right wing c*nts threw a hissy fit, so don't pretend you're remotely interested in actually doing anything about these problems. You're just trying to protect your little hobby. Quote But at the end of the day it's the only solution that has ever worked. Harper was tough on crime and soft on guns and crime and violence went down. Trudeau has been soft on crime and hard on guns And violent crime is through the roof. Why can't you guys learn to follow the science? Science is when correlation equals causation lol. Quote
Army Guy Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: lol as I suspected all the handwriniging by you about stabbings was just a front. You don't give a shit, you aren't interested in solutions at any level. As I pointed out in another thread, the left wanted to reallocate resources from the carceral system to mental health and other social service sand you right wing c*nts threw a hissy fit, so don't pretend you're remotely interested in actually doing anything about these problems. You're just trying to protect your little hobby. Science is when correlation equals causation lol. The RCMP, OPP, QPP have all come out on the media and has said this Gun ban is having no effect on gun crimes...this solution you talk about is not working...the problem which you and the government fail to recognize is that 95 % of gun crimes are committed by criminals..."who obtain their firearms illegally" through the states.....So please explain how targeting legal gun owners is going to solve our gun crime issue... Despite all the evidence police services have presented, government and people on the left have already made up their mind guns are scary. and they don't want them, doing anything is better than doing nothing....so they attack legal gun owners, for no other reason than they can...they have to much invested in their cause now to change direction... So gun owners will wait until their is a change of government, hoping the left will have forgotten about guns once the conservatives are gone...If you don't own a fire arm why does this bother you so much ? why would it matter to you if hunters can hunt, sport shooters can gather for a day of recreation, kids can use airsoft or bb, pelter guns modeled after military fire arms...The left is not going to stop until everything in Canada is destroyed... Edited December 11, 2024 by Army Guy 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: lol as I suspected all the handwriniging by you about stabbings was just a front. You don't give a shit, you aren't interested in solutions at any level. So in other words you realize that your argument that it's the tool and not the person is completely stupid and you're trying to somehow figure out how it's my fault As I said, the solution is dealing with the person not the tool. Although in your case the person is a bit of a tool Quote As I pointed out in another thread, the left wanted to reallocate resources from the carceral system to mental health and other social service sand you right wing c*nts threw a hissy fit, so don't pretend you're remotely interested in actually doing anything about these problems. You're just trying to protect your little hobby. Do both. Incarceration is a critical component of the system. As we have found out here in Canada, releasing people who are violent only creates more violence. This should surprise no one. So if you want to take the money from somewhere collect it from the useless done grab programs and registries and lock up criminals and treat mental health patients. Treating mental health does no good if you then allow the criminals to go out on the street and commit more crimes. A finger in jail can't pull the trigger on a gun. So of course sane people would disagree with your proposition that we ignore violent criminals. As robodope would say , "Duh!" Quote Science is when correlation equals causation lol. That appears to be what liberals think so I'm not surprised to see you say it. Your entire argument is guns exist, therefore there is Violence and crime. What the science says is that the tools don't commit the crimes, and the people who commit the crimes will find a tool one way or another. So the focus has to be on the people. It's nice to see that even you are realizing your arguments were stupid. You can't solve violence by dealing with guns or knives or hammers or cars. You have to deal with the people. Lock up violent people, treat the mentally ill people, and you solve the vast majority of the problem 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Black Dog Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The RCMP, OPP, QPP have all come out on the media and has said this Gun ban is having no effect on gun crimes...this solution you talk about is not working...the problem which you and the government fail to recognize is that 95 % of gun crimes are committed by criminals..."who obtain their firearms illegally" through the states.....So please explain how targeting legal gun owners is going to solve our gun crime issue... I'll stop you right there as I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned I have no opinion on Trudeau's gun ban one way or another. I'm in favour of firearm restrictions broadly, but I honestly don't know enough about the latest one. Quote
CdnFox Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: I'll stop you right there as I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned I have no opinion on Trudeau's gun ban one way or another. I'm in favour of firearm restrictions broadly, but I honestly don't know enough about the latest one. Well name a gun restriction in Canada that you do support then. There's a lot to choose from lets hear which one you feel actually made a difference and that you support. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Black Dog Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So in other words you realize that your argument that it's the tool and not the person is completely stupid and you're trying to somehow figure out how it's my fault As I said, the solution is dealing with the person not the tool. Although in your case the person is a bit of a tool Well no, a big part of it is the weapon, but again, you don't want to deal with the people either, f*ckhead. Quote Do both. Incarceration is a critical component of the system. As we have found out here in Canada, releasing people who are violent only creates more violence. This should surprise no one. So if you want to take the money from somewhere collect it from the useless done grab programs and registries and lock up criminals and treat mental health patients. Treating mental health does no good if you then allow the criminals to go out on the street and commit more crimes. A finger in jail can't pull the trigger on a gun. Trudeau's gun plan is supposed to cost something like $750 million, do you really think that's enough to solve the criminal justice system backlog that is causing so many offenders to be released as well as a comprehensive program to deal with mental health, addiction and homelessness? Quote So of course sane people would disagree with your proposition that we ignore violent criminals. As robodope would say , "Duh!" See you can't even be honest for one minute which is why most people find you utterly repellent. Quote That appears to be what liberals think so I'm not surprised to see you say it. Your entire argument is guns exist, therefore there is Violence and crime. See above. What the science says is that the tools don't commit the crimes, and the people who commit the crimes will find a tool one way or another. So the focus has to be on the people. It's nice to see that even you are realizing your arguments were stupid. You can't solve violence by dealing with guns or knives or hammers or cars. You have to deal with the people. Lock up violent people, treat the mentally ill people, and you solve the vast majority of the problem 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well name a gun restriction in Canada that you do support then. There's a lot to choose from lets hear which one you feel actually made a difference and that you support. lol why? Quote
Army Guy Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 24 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I'll stop you right there as I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned I have no opinion on Trudeau's gun ban one way or another. I'm in favour of firearm restrictions broadly, but I honestly don't know enough about the latest one. I went back through most of your posts on this topic and it is very hard to tell you have no opinion on the topic... I get that this is not so much about gun control as it is chirping Cdn Fox... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 46 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Well no, a big part of it is the weapon, but again, you don't want to deal with the people either, f*ckhead. None of it is the weapon, and I have repeated over and over and over again through several threads and several posts person that needs to be dealt with. And your little insult at the end shows me that you know you're wrong and that I'm right yet again and you're getting buthurt. Quote Trudeau's gun plan is supposed to cost something like $750 million, Just like the registry was only going to cost $10 million until all of a sudden it was in the billions. I've seen the independent estimates and I have a pretty good idea of the costs and it may come as no shock to anyone other than you that Trudeau is lying and the cost will be brutally higher Quote do you really think that's enough to solve the criminal justice system backlog that is causing so many offenders to be released as well as a comprehensive program to deal with mental health, addiction and homelessness? Back logs aren't what is causing criminals to be released. What's causing them to be released is Trudeau's 2019 law requiring that all offenders including violent repeat offenders he released for bail immediately. Under the end of the day if you feel it's not enough money great, let's grab it from the CBC and all of those useless foreign transgender inclusion projects we've got on the go. There's another couple billion Your argument seems to be doing the right thing is expensive, so let's do the wrong thing because it's cheaper. That's kind of stupid Quote See you can't even be honest for one minute which is why most people find you utterly repellent. That was literally your proposition. Take money away from the police and ignore the violent criminal problem and put that money into mental health. Sorry if it seems stupid to you after the fact but I can't help that. And once again I was voted Best poster of the year if you'll recall Most people think I'm delightful. The ones who don't are the ones like you who make stupid statements That I blow out of the water regularly instead of learning to make good arguments Quote lol why? So what you're saying is you can't think of even one. Despite the dozens and dozens of firearms restrictions put in place over the years you can't mention even one that actually did any good when it came to fighting crime or violence. Well me either. So you've kind of backed yourself into a corner. Your idea that it's the tool not the person has been shot down, and you can't think of any gun laws in Canada that made a difference when it comes to crime or violence, and as we've shown there are other tools that are just as prevalent as firearms when it comes to violence, and your idea of defunding the jails To focus on mental health has been shown to be stupid...... Yet you still claim that generally you approve of firearms bands or restrictions. So all that's left is that you approve of this for ideological reasons. Gun owners tend to be conservative you hate conservatives you hate guns. Well I think we're at the root of the gun control lobby thinking there. And I'm afraid that's just not a good reason for gun control Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Legato Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: I'll stop you right there as I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned I have no opinion on Trudeau's gun ban one way or another. I'm in favour of firearm restrictions broadly, but I honestly don't know enough about the latest one. Quote
Black Dog Posted December 11, 2024 Report Posted December 11, 2024 22 minutes ago, CdnFox said: None of it is the weapon, and I have repeated over and over and over again through several threads and several posts person that needs to be dealt with. And your little insult at the end shows me that you know you're wrong and that I'm right yet again and you're getting buthurt. Oh I'm sure you've lied about this a lot but I know better. Quote Just like the registry was only going to cost $10 million until all of a sudden it was in the billions. I've seen the independent estimates and I have a pretty good idea of the costs and it may come as no shock to anyone other than you that Trudeau is lying and the cost will be brutally higher $750 million is the independent estimate from the AG. Quote Back logs aren't what is causing criminals to be released. What's causing them to be released is Trudeau's 2019 law requiring that all offenders including violent repeat offenders he released for bail immediately. Quote Under the end of the day if you feel it's not enough money great, let's grab it from the CBC and all of those useless foreign transgender inclusion projects we've got on the go. There's another couple billion Your argument seems to be doing the right thing is expensive, so let's do the wrong thing because it's cheaper. That's kind of stupid Yes you are since that's not my argument. Try not being a piece of shit? Quote That was literally your proposition. Take money away from the police and ignore the violent criminal problem and put that money into mental health. Sorry if it seems stupid to you after the fact but I can't help that. Notice you have to add the part in bold because you're a dishonest cocksucker. Fact is reallocating resources from police to other services will actually help cops focus on their core functions instead of being called upon to be crisis intervention workers or other roles they are ill trained to handle. Quote
taxme Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 On 12/9/2024 at 4:31 PM, Aristides said: Trump signed the agreement with the Taliban in February of 2020, it specified US troop reductions and full withdrawal within 14 months. He will abandon Ukraine as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal Trump was not the President in Feb. 2020. 🙄 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 5 hours ago, Black Dog said: Oh I'm sure you've lied about this a lot but I know better. trained to handle. In other words once again you know I'm right but you're going to stick your head in the sand and pretend otherwise. Fair enough, we all know how much you find truth and facts to be scary Quote $750 million is the independent estimate from the AG. Sure, that's what they said about the gun registry, And if you take into account their estimates for the number of guns out there that might not be crazy inaccurate. But we know it's wrong. and we know it's missing a number of other things so there's absolutely no way. It's into the billions. Which is what we said about the gun registry and m*rons like you were out there saying oh no the official estimates are.... It will be billions. And that's billions we could spend on other things Quote Yes you are since that's not my argument. Try not being a piece of shit? It is entirely your argument. Which is why you're not trying to correct your argument here. Quote Notice you have to add the part in bold because you're a dishonest cocksucker. It's there because it's the truth. I mean I agree with you that it's completely stupid. But it is your position. Your position was literally to take money away from dealing with criminals and ignore the problems they present to address mental health. That is your actual stated position. 5 hours ago, Black Dog said: Fact is reallocating resources from police to other services will actually help cops focus on their core functions instead of being called upon to be crisis intervention workers or other roles they are ill trained to handle. Quote Fact is reallocating resources from police to other services will actually help cops focus on their core functions instead of being called upon to be crisis intervention workers or other roles they are ill Ahhhh yes, "defund the police" is the answer. And no it will do no such thing. Where's your cite for that, you who constantly complain other people don't provide cites. The "FACT" is that taking away from the police will just make crime issues worse. There are a million useless gov't subsidies and grans and foreign aid we can cut first not to mention cutting refugee acceptance in half which is worth several billion on it's own and slashing the cbc which is good for another billion and change. There's tonnes of places to get the money, but you have to both incarcerate the bad guys and improve mental health funding at the same time or it doesn't work. We've tried the "catch and release" plan of the far left for years now and it's killed a lot of people. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
taxme Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 On 12/9/2024 at 6:07 PM, Aristides said: So how did a former KGB colonel and politician who's salary is $140K a year become one of the worlds richest people and how did you become one of his useful fools? https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/putins-net-worth-rivals-elon-musk-cobweb-bank-accounts-assets-hides-full-value-expert-says Where or how have i become a useful fool for Putin? Give me one example, if you can? I know that Zelensky owns an expensive over a million dollar home in Florida. As a well known crooked politician himself where or how did he get the money to be able to buy a nice over a million dollar home in Florida or maybe even homes on his politicians salary? Ukraine is broke. It looks to me like you have become a more useful fool for Zelensky. The sad thing about FOX NEWS is that they always ass-kiss Israel because they have to and they also despise Putin. Something i have to live with. 🙄 Quote
Aristides Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 (edited) On 12/10/2024 at 5:19 PM, Army Guy said: So is a fire arm, just another tool, only difference is our current government is being lobbied hard by anti gun nuts to ban all private ownership of fire arms, and most Canadians believe they are dangerous and nobody should have access to one......and have used every lie in the book to convince Canadians that guns are bad... How do we explain replica fire arms, airsoft, paintball, BB and pellet rifles that"LOOK" like military arms...and then the hundards of bolt action rifles or pump action shot guns....the liberals explain them as guns designed to kill maximum amount of people in the shortest amount of time...... Ya but you can't eat your dinner with a firearm. I don't support the current government's actions but comparing a firearm to a dinner knife is equally ridiculous. Banning all knives would affect your life far more than than not having a gun. Edited December 12, 2024 by Aristides 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 21 minutes ago, Aristides said: Ya but you can't eat your dinner with a firearm. You can catch your dinner with a firearm. Firearms have been feeding Canadians for Generations now. Not sure you thought that went through. On top of which you can't eat your dinner with a golf club, yet we don't ban golf clubs. I remember when people wanted to ban dungeons and dragons because it encouraged children to want to go out and kill people. Remember when banning alcohol was going to save lives? It seems like every generation has at least one group that comes forward and demands that we ban something Because if that one object just didn't exist then somehow people would stop being people and would behave. You are barking up the wrong tree. Banning any one common tool of personal violence is pointless because there will always be another tool. And here's the problem: If it becomes acceptable to ban one too, and the violence doesn't change (or gets worse as it did in canada), then they'll insist on banning the next thing (knives) and the next thing and the next thing even though it NEVER WORKS. They will continue to insist that if they just ban the NEXT tool then somehow THIS time it'll be all better. It never is. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Army Guy Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Ya but you can't eat your dinner with a firearm. I don't support the current government's actions but comparing a firearm to a dinner knife is equally ridiculous. Banning all knives would affect your life far more than than not having a gun. You have to kill dinner some how, before you eat it...having the right tool for the job makes that easier... Liberals are using the safety angle to sell all of this, guns kill people....and apparently so do knifes, So which is it are we concerned about Canadians lives, or just the ones guns take.....as it has been pointed out, ...Safety is only for fire arms for some reason......... but somehow we can't ban them they are way more useful than a firearm...That's your argument...mean while millions of Canadians are going to have their firearms confiscated and some without payment for... And to the average Canadian living in the cities, i would agree...those of us living out in the country firearms play different roles, hunting for food, protection from wildlife, i have had to shoot a bear in my backyard as my grand kids were in the pool,and running around in broad daylight...now let me tell you having to kill a bear that is charging your grandkids in my backyard puts a whole new spin on panic shooting....and i was glad i had a semi auto rifle that day....not recommended to do that with a bolt action rifle. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: You have to kill dinner some how, before you eat it...having the right tool for the job makes that easier... Liberals are using the safety angle to sell all of this, guns kill people....and apparently so do knifes, So which is it are we concerned about Canadians lives, or just the ones guns take.....as it has been pointed out, ...Safety is only for fire arms for some reason......... but somehow we can't ban them they are way more useful than a firearm... If that's the argument they're going to make, then realistically they should be demanding with dan alcohol before anything. In spite of significant declines over the past 30 years, impaired driving, whether by alcohol or drugs, continues to kill or injure more Canadians than any other crime (Moreau, 2021). It also remains the single most important factor contributing to serious road crashes (CCSA, 2019). 2023 Annual National Data Report to Inform Trends and Patterns in Drug-Impaired Driving And that's before we even get into other alcohol-related death. So why aren't they screaming to ban alcohol? Obviously if banning things solves problems then we should be banning that. A kitchen knife is way more useful day to day than booze is. Oh wait, we tried that. And it made things worse. And pretty quick we had to change things back. Turns out banning things absolutely does not help. You have to address the people. Drunk driving laws, roadside safety checks, that kind of thing made a difference but banning booze never did. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
NAME REMOVED Posted December 12, 2024 Report Posted December 12, 2024 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: You can catch your dinner with a firearm. Firearms have been feeding Canadians for Generations now. Not sure you thought that went through. On top of which you can't eat your dinner with a golf club, yet we don't ban golf clubs. Firearms are perfectly legal for hunting in Canada. Quote
Army Guy Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Firearms are perfectly legal for hunting in Canada. What is a fire arm, sparky ? 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What is a fire arm, sparky ? You tell me, Private Pyle. Quote
CdnFox Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: Firearms are perfectly legal for hunting in Canada. The majority of firearms aren't legal in Canada at all. And the numbers getting smaller all the time. The recent band included a bunch of 22 long rifle firearms which could never in any possible way be considered to be military. But I love your defense of "You can hunt with a gun, you just can't own one" Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Aristides Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, Army Guy said: You have to kill dinner some how, before you eat it...having the right tool for the job makes that easier... Liberals are using the safety angle to sell all of this, guns kill people....and apparently so do knifes, So which is it are we concerned about Canadians lives, or just the ones guns take.....as it has been pointed out, ...Safety is only for fire arms for some reason......... but somehow we can't ban them they are way more useful than a firearm...That's your argument...mean while millions of Canadians are going to have their firearms confiscated and some without payment for... And to the average Canadian living in the cities, i would agree...those of us living out in the country firearms play different roles, hunting for food, protection from wildlife, i have had to shoot a bear in my backyard as my grand kids were in the pool,and running around in broad daylight...now let me tell you having to kill a bear that is charging your grandkids in my backyard puts a whole new spin on panic shooting....and i was glad i had a semi auto rifle that day....not recommended to do that with a bolt action rifle. Again, we use knives for hundreds of things that have nothing to do with killing. You can kill someone with a hammer, screwdriver or a hundred other every day articles that aren't used for killing. The comparison is stupid. Edited December 13, 2024 by Aristides Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted December 13, 2024 Report Posted December 13, 2024 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: The majority of firearms aren't legal in Canada at all. And the numbers getting smaller all the time. The recent band included a bunch of 22 long rifle firearms which could never in any possible way be considered to be military. But I love your defense of "You can hunt with a gun, you just can't own one" "Hunting rifles and shotguns are neither restricted nor prohibited, but it is illegal to possess them without a firearms acquisitions certificate. People who have committed certain serious crimes are not eligible for an acquisition certificate to possess any firearm. Also ineligible is anyone with a record of violence or treatment for mental disorder associated with violence in the five years before applying for a certificate. There is a 28-day waiting period for a certificate, and it costs $50. The law, with minor exceptions, restricts the magazine capacity of hunting rifles and shotguns to five rounds." ==== There ya go, @CdnFox. As per usual, you have no idea about what you are talking about. I am now going to take a dump in your mouth, for all the bullshit you peddle. At least your breath will smell better, after I am finished. Quote
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