US Health Care system has failed America (The Brian Thompson CEO Assassination)

[gatomontes99]

33 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's a sweet deal for the wealthy elites in so called "Canada"

they access the "Canadian" public option to its limits

then they can go to the free market across the border at their leisure

mind you, when it comes to purchasing private healthcare on the open market

the Swiss offer even better service at cheaper pricing than America ; 30% discount

 

So the greatness of your health care is that people can go somewhere else when yours fails? I tend to think that isn't so great.

[robosmith]

On 12/6/2024 at 10:08 AM, Deluge said:

We both know you're a pervert, and an ldiot, so we'll use the source below to verify that.

 

Your "both know" schtick doesn't even work for Trump; and certainly NOT YOU.

Cause everyone knows you're just a BULLSHITTER.

[robosmith]

On 12/6/2024 at 10:27 AM, Nationalist said:

Why am I not surprised...

If you are ever offered a management position...turn it down.

You're not surprised, cause self-interest is the extent of your caring, too. 🤮

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your "both know" schtick doesn't even work for Trump; and certainly NOT YOU.

Cause everyone knows you're just a BULLSHITTER.

You're a liar, and that is for certain. It's why you will never openly admit that you are a liar, but we both know that you are in fact, a liar.  

[robosmith]

On 12/6/2024 at 1:57 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'm a firm believer in situational ethics. It's just plain common sense. 

If this was a CEO of a company that makes gummy bears and their price just went up 25% I'd say this was just a senseless killing. BUT, if that CEO is honestly guilty of making deals with people and taking a lot of their hard-earned money in exchange for services that he promises but never had any intention of providing, then he's good and dead as far as I'm concerned. And that doesn't even depend on whether or not anyone even died from his deceit and amorality. Even if a lot of people just suffered serious loss of quality of life or economic hardship because of him, I think those bullets look good on him. 

Look at this as a teachable moment, MH. People like Thompson and the Sacklers are making bank off of the suffering and deaths of tens of thousands of people while the justice dept is busy chasing Donald Trump for a loan he paid off on time. 

Fine, but now the people have spoken. 

If that Thompson guy is guilty of what he's being accused of, I hope that Trump pardons him, and gives him a bigger f'ing gun. That will help the flow of money back into the US medical system, instead of into greedy shareholder pockets, and it will give other unscrupulous CEOs a huge reason to legitimize their businesses. 

If Thompson guy is not  actually guilty of what he's being accused of, then I hope his killer gets the death penalty. 

But let's just take in a heaping dose of reality here, regarding the possibility of finding out what Thompson was really up to... Biden's advisors are busy right now discussing whether or not Fauci should get a presidential pardon. That's not just from Fox News, it's in USA Today and several others. Regardless of whether Fauci actually gets a pardon or not, the fact that it's even up for debate tells us that this isn't the kind of political climate where accountability is on the way from the justice dept any time soon. 

Not a Federal crime, so no pardoning from Trump. Duh

[robosmith]

On 12/6/2024 at 3:30 PM, Nationalist said:

The concept is the same. Wait till you have to do it. If you are really in a management position.

Losing a job is an everyday occurrence at US companies, and often easily replaced NOW because of very LOW UE rate. 

Not getting life saving procedures is ONLY every day when covered by companies which depend on bad AI programs like UHC.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So the greatness of your health care is that people can go somewhere else when yours fails? I tend to think that isn't so great.

I don't say that the Canadian healthcare system is great

it's basically the Public Option which President Obama declined to support

tho it frankly serves my purposes, I don't actually have any complaints

I have access to the best of both worlds, I can go to America to purchase more healthcare as I please

 but I wouldn't honestly cling to life so desperately, at the expense of bankrupting my wife therein

since she is so loyal and dotes upon me, tho I don't deserve it

I've always been here for a good time, not a long time

rejoice at the coming of the angel of death ; the Nazarene is the sinner's friend

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

I find the best thing to do with CdnFox, is to put him on "ignore."  This way, you will not see his verbal diarrhoea, unless you decide to click on the post to show what ridiculous garbage he has to say. It saves time and energy, and makes for a more pleasurable forum experience. 

aww muffin.    And this from the guy who goes on and on about crapping in people's mouths and how great it is to shoot people you don't like  
I love that i not only scared you so bad you're afraid of me personally but that you feel you have to beg others to be scared of me too so you don't feel lonely  

And let's not forget your latest pissy mood started because you accidentally posted proof that I was right, and that's about the third or fourth time you've done that. It's not my fault you were wrong and it's not my fault you posted the proof that you are wrong

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Losing a job is an everyday occurrence at US companies, and often easily replaced NOW because of very LOW UE rate. 

Not getting life saving procedures is ONLY every day when covered by companies which depend on bad AI programs like UHC.

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Accounting for over 33,000 deaths annually, suicide is the 11^th leading cause of mortality in the United States and the second most common cause of death among adults age 24 to 35 years old. A decade ago, the Surgeon General of the United States, David Satcher, issued a call to action to “… address suicide as a significant public health problem and put into place national strategies to prevent the loss of life and the suffering suicide causes.” It was acknowledged then that a vital component of any comprehensive national prevention strategy should be to understand the risk factors associated with suicide. Many of these factors—alcohol or substance abuse, mental illness, gun ownership—may only be observed by the at-risk individual or a few close acquaintances. Other influential factors, such as job loss or divorce, may be readily identifiable by government or public health authorities. Since the latter set of events often requires interaction with government agencies, e.g. through unemployment insurance or the family court system, in these instances it may be possible to cost-effectively assess suicide risk and intervene with appropriate care when advisable. With these policy implications in mind, the current paper examines the link between job loss and suicide risk, a long-standing empirical question in social science research.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3423193/

 

[Nationalist]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

ABJECT HORSESH!T!!!

@User asked "How?" and then proceeded to point out that it is in fact Democrats who have been crapping on freedoms AND Democracy. Not the other way around.

Now...the questions remains. HOW exactly would or have any of Trump's following or Trump himself, dismantled democracy?

I'll wait...

@DUI_Offender

Ahem...

I'M STILL WAITING!!!

[robosmith]

On 12/8/2024 at 8:45 AM, WestCanMan said:

Get it? By justifying the murder of this CEO you're justifying the murder of the next CEO. 

ONLY if "the next CEO" engages in similarly immoral policies/actions which cost lives. 

[robosmith]

On 12/8/2024 at 8:58 AM, WestCanMan said:

Simple math tells us that

• "amongst the tens of thousands of legitimate health claims which are denied, the resulting lack of medical treatment results in deaths in at least some instances"

If that's even just 3 times a year, that makes way more than 3 people who would be extremely angry, to the point where they would be violent. 

For every person that dies as a result of a denied claim there's at least one dad, brother, father, son, friend, or spouse who ends up being enraged. Maybe the average is 5? Who knows, but at the end of the day, denying legitimate claims = generating violent hatred. 

So the CEO may not have intentionally murdered people, but if people feel like "he put corporate profits ahead of the life of my _________, and now that person is dead", he bears the brunt of the exact same level of hatred.

If this murder is at all related to his job - which might not be the case because people kill other people for a lot of reasons - then it's likely due to the denial of a claim that was believed to be legitimate. That's the only scenario where responsibility falls in the CEO's lap.   

There's also the adopting of an AI program which is KNOWN to be faulty (as in immoral) in performance of that function.

Edited December 10, 2024 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

@DUI_Offender

Ahem...

I'M STILL WAITING!!!

I'll get you a pillow and a blanket

25 minutes ago, robosmith said:

ONLY if "the next CEO" engages in similarly immoral policies/actions which cost lives. 

So how about union leaders. I think they're immoral. Should people be allowed to shoot them?

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[gatomontes99]

So, if the United CEO deserved to die because the system is broken, that means Obamacare failed, right?

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Well, well. Progressives are at last acknowledging that ObamaCare is a failure. They aren’t doing so explicitly, of course, but their social-media screeds against insurers, triggered by last week’s murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, suggest as much. “We’ve gotten to a point where healthcare is so inaccessible and unaffordable, people are justified in their frustrations,” CBS News medical contributor Céline Gounder said during a Friday segment on the roasting of health insurers.

A Gallup survey released Friday affirms the sentiment, finding that only 44% of Americans rate U.S. healthcare good or excellent, down from 62% when Democrats passed ObamaCare in 2010. A mere 28% rate the country’s insurance coverage highly, an 11-point decline.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/unitedhealthcare-and-the-obamacare-con-insurance-ea8dd896

It isnt like we didn't predict that Obamacare would raise costs, limit care and eventually fail. Oh wait, we did.

 

[User]

35 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So, if the United CEO deserved to die because the system is broken, that means Obamacare failed, right?

They all run away from this question when I ask them this. 

United Healthcare has the same issues any bureaucracy has, especially one that is sandwiched between the regulations they are and the healthcare system we have. 

But they only make about 5% profit margin, which is not a lot. They are not getting rich off of trying to hurt people and there is zero evidence they are engaged in any illegal practices to deny people claims that are legitimate on any scale as is being alleged here. 

There are legal remedies to resolve such disputes if they are. 

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

So, if the United CEO deserved to die because the system is broken, that means Obamacare failed, right?

It isnt like we didn't predict that Obamacare would raise costs, limit care and eventually fail. Oh wait, we did.

If that's the case, one has to wonder why Trump didn't campaign on repealing it and didn't offer any sort of plan of his own.

[gatomontes99]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

If that's the case, one has to wonder why Trump didn't campaign on repealing it and didn't offer any sort of plan of his own.

He didn't offer a plan because he's negotiating.

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

He didn't offer a plan because he's negotiating.

LMAO

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

They all run away from this question when I ask them this. 

United Healthcare has the same issues any bureaucracy has, especially one that is sandwiched between the regulations they are and the healthcare system we have. 

But they only make about 5% profit margin, which is not a lot. They are not getting rich off of trying to hurt people and there is zero evidence they are engaged in any illegal practices to deny people claims that are legitimate on any scale as is being alleged here. 

There are legal remedies to resolve such disputes if they are. 

They're actually lower than that as i understand it. They're about 2 percent.  And in fact that industry tends to be around 2-3 percent profit. 

and again as I previously provided evidence for a massive number of Canadians die every single year because they didn't get care because care was delayed or not provided or some such nonsense. That doesn't make it okay to shoot the premiere of your Province.

I think most lefties would be quite upset if someone shot the NDP premier of British Columbia who has allowed a large number of people to die because of inadequate resources for healthcare. Yet they're fine with this guy being killed.

The left are nothing but hypocrites

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1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

If that's the case, one has to wonder why Trump didn't campaign on repealing it and didn't offer any sort of plan of his own.

Trump only cares about the rich. It's so obvious by now. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trump only cares about the rich. It's so obvious by now. 

But Obama care seems to be making the rich richer if the left is to be believed these days. SO much so they're shooting people. So isn't that the dems being the ones feeding the rich?

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22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But Obama care seems to be making the rich richer if the left is to be believed these days. SO much so they're shooting people. So isn't that the dems being the ones feeding the rich?

You are so radicalised that you see the World as Black and White. Everything "left" is bad. Social security, healthcare,  helping the poor, racial equality, etc. is "bad."  I can't imagine spending my retirement years simping for billionaires.  

Edited December 11, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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Watch Trump try and roll this act back, when he gets into office.

[Black Dog]

12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are so radicalised that you see the World as Black and White. Everything "left" is bad. Social security, healthcare,  helping the poor, racial equality, etc. is "bad."  I can't imagine spending my retirement years simping for billionaires.  However, from what I understand, your Russian handlers pay you well.

It's worse than that: he and other genuinely think the Dems are leftists. This is what negative polarization and huffing solvents does to a MFer.