No longer a British colony, Canada becomes the 51st US state.

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Amen.

People just need to stop reacting to the shitposter-in-chief’s online trolling he gets just as many giggles from negative reactions as he does from positive ones and he couldn’t care less about his lies being debunked or fact checked, the truth means nothing to him. 

The $100Mil number he mentions is just a totally made up figure based on nothing. Earlier this month he said $100 BILLION in a similar statement. Million, billion, zillion whatever he’s literally just shitposting to get attention and reaction and generate his dumbass tweets need to be ignored. There’s not a grain of truth or reason to any of it. He hates lefties and prefers a conservative government in Canada.  He also has an insatiable need for news stories about himself. Online harassment and social media bullying will be the new presidential policy tools of choice.

Edited December 19, 2024 by BeaverFever

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

the market access we do have is because it’s in their interest also. 

no reason for America not to impose sanctions against a partner failing to uphold its national security obligations

Canada is not actually going to cut its own throat by restricting its exports to America

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

no reason for America not to impose sanctions against a partner failing to uphold its national security obligations

Canada is not actually going to cut its own throat by restricting its exports to America

Sure there is. USA needs our resources. They have a large trade deficit with us.  USA has never acted on principles it’s always about the money. 

[NAME REMOVED]

10 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

People just need to stop reacting to the shitposter-in-chief’s online trolling he gets just as many giggles from negative reactions as he does from positive ones.  

The $100Mil number he mentions is just a totally made up figure based on nothing. Earlier this month he said $100 BILLION in a similar statement. Million, billion, zillion whatever he’s literally just shitposting to get attention and reaction and generate his dumbass tweets need to be ignored. There’s not a grain of truth or reason to any of it. He hates lefties and prefers a conservative government in Canada.  He also has an insatiable need for news stories about himself. Online harassment and social media bullying will be the new presidential policy tools of choice.

I think Canadians would be foolish to dismiss what Trump is doing, as "trolling" or a "joke." From studying Trump for the last decade, this is clearly no joke, and I honestly believe he sincerely wants to annex Canada, mainly for our natural resources. The fentanyl and illegal migrant problem are clearly false flags. This is not unprecedented for Trump. He tried the same thing with Greenland in 2018, as seen on Conan O'brien (despite the fact that people like CdnFox claim this never happened).

 

Now that he is doing it to Canada, there is no reason to believe he is joking. In fact, I would be willing to bet, that some of Trump's inner circle is probably trying to explain to him that potentially invading Canada, and annexing the country is a bad idea. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Aristides]

26 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

no reason for America not to impose sanctions against a partner failing to uphold its national security obligations

Canada is not actually going to cut its own throat by restricting its exports to America

Canada may have to as a last resort. Imposing an export tax on oil would drive gas prices in parts of the US through the roof and make some of their Gulf refineries unprofitable. 150,000 barrels of oil a day from the TransMountain pipeline goes to Washington state refineries, which would really affect gas supplies and prices on the US west coast. Cutting off electricity exports would be very problematic for the US because there is no way they can replace them except in the very long term. A last resort that we don't want to use but possibly necessary if Trump insists on playing hard ball. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Aristides

[BeaverFever]

11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I think Canadians would be foolish to dismiss what Trump is doing, as "trolling" or a "joke." From studying Trump for the last decade, this is clearly no joke, and I honestly believe he sincerely wants to annex Canada, mainly for our natural resources. The fentanyl and illegal migrant problem are clearly false flags. This is not unprecedented for Trump.

 

Now that he is doing it to Canada, there is no reason to believe he is joking. In fact, I would be willing to bet, that some of Trump's inner circle is probably trying to explain to him that potentially invading Canada, and annexing the country is a bad idea. 

Even if the ****** -in-chief was dead serious at the time he said it, he would get distracted and forget about it after a few days and even if he didn’t it would still never happen for thousand reasons like congress, and the fact that there is no legal authority to do so in US or international law. He can’t just singlehandedly order the invasion of another country. Even Bush/Cheney’s cabal of warmongering chickenhawks weren’t able to act on their longstanding goal to invade Iraq until after 9/11. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

People just need to stop reacting to the shitposter-in-chief’s online trolling he gets just as many giggles from negative reactions as he does from positive ones and he couldn’t care less about his lies being debunked or fact checked, the truth means nothing to him. 

The $100Mil number he mentions is just a totally made up figure based on nothing. Earlier this month he said $100 BILLION in a similar statement. Million, billion, zillion whatever he’s literally just shitposting to get attention and reaction and generate his dumbass tweets need to be ignored. There’s not a grain of truth or reason to any of it. He hates lefties and prefers a conservative government in Canada.  He also has an insatiable need for news stories about himself. Online harassment and social media bullying will be the new presidential policy tools of choice.

100 billion is about our trade deficit with the states. He appears to be confusing that with a subsidy.

We have a lot of raw materials that we sell America. Oil electricity lumber steel etc as well as car parts that trade hands across the border

We buy comparatively little because we are a small nation with fewer people than California.

So we buy less than we sell. That's why he's saying we're subsidized. But that's a stupid as saying you've been subsidizing the local grocery store because you buy more from them than they buy from you.

There's no doubt that it's all bullshit, he doesn't understand what he's talking about at all

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Canada may have to as a last resort. Imposing an export tax on oil would drive gas prices in parts of the US through the roof and make some of their Gulf refineries unprofitable. 150,000 barrels of oil a day from the TransMountain pipeline goes to Washington state refineries, which would really affect gas supplies and prices on the US west coast. Cutting off electricity exports would be very problematic for the US because there is no way they can replace them except in the very long term. A last resort that we don't want to use but possibly necessary if Trump insists on playing hard ball. 

go ahead, stupid Canada, cut your own throats

the price of gas goes up slightly in America

while Canada spirals into an existential crisis

[Vesthemess]

9 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is not actually going to cut its own throat by restricting its exports to America

Good point! I don't see why as a nation we don't raise prices on our exports to the US on goods such as oil, gas and electricity by a huge amount to offset the tariffs. 

[NAME REMOVED]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

100 billion is about our trade deficit with the states. He appears to be confusing that with a subsidy.

The US has run a trade deficit every single year for 40 years, going back to 1985. They owe us approximately 41 billion. Trump, as per usual is lying.

source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html

As you states, Trump has no idea how tariffs, or trade deficits work. Or he is just lying to rile up his base.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The US has run a trade deficit every single year for 40 years, going back to 1985. They owe us approximately 41 billion. Trump, as per usual is lying.

source: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html

As you states, Trump has no idea how tariffs, or trade deficits work. Or he is just lying to rile up his base.

Of course he's lying. I was just trying to tell you what he was basing the lie on. As you say, in the '80s when the first free trade deal was signed canada's trade with the US jumped by about 10 times and we started running massive trade surpluses to them which means a deficit for them. It's one of the things that helped us deal with our insane runaway debt along with the GST introduction.

And it's worth noting it even before then we still had a trade surplus with them just smaller

To call that a subsidy is !diotic. I buy groceries for my grocer every week and he pays me nothing so technically I have a trade deficit with him, but nobody would suggest that he is subsidizing me in any way shape or form. And that trade works in my favor, I get to have food and such.

He's playing games to try and turn the American opinion against Canada so that they will support his trade negotiations. Which is why it's a bad idea for Trudeau to help him out by insulting Americans at the same time

[CdnFox]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:31 AM, Vesthemess said:

Good point! I don't see why as a nation we don't raise prices on our exports to the US on goods such as oil, gas and electricity by a huge amount to offset the tariffs. 

Well that's what some Provinces are talking about doing.. Us buys a lot of electricity, oil, wood and other stuff from us. We will definitely be hurt more in a trade war but we can certainly do a lot of damage back and that would make Mr Trump unpopular. His popularity is very important to him. 

But this is how he negotiates, he threatens and he plays like a crazy person so you don't know whether he'll do it or not any generally gets what he wants. You have to be tough enough to stand up to him and also smart enough to give him enough but it doesn't hurt you at all but makes him look good enough that he can walk away. It's basically like managing a big child

[Legato]

On 12/18/2024 at 1:57 PM, DUI_Offender said:

Amen.

Quoting curly mop is a major step backwards.

[Zeitgeist]

On 12/17/2024 at 3:37 PM, Vesthemess said:

I feel that at this point in time the worst move to make for Canada is to become more involved with the US economy and political agenda regarding the rest of the world. BRICS is gaining momentum and as the world becomes more aware of the weaponized currency (the US dollar) we could see the US lose that weapon and crash and burn. Without that stability Their economy is not that good.

I disagree.  The US is the only major economy holding up living standards and freedom.  Without that bulwark, much of the West would see a collapse in living standards in the name of UN resolutions to “save the planet.”   A Chinese totalitarian surveillance state would quickly fill the void left by US hegemony.  You want to be part of the US club, not outside it.  Not even Britain can withstand international pressures these days.

Having said that, Canada should absolutely diversify trade away from the US and remind Trump that any additional trade barriers to the US for Canada (tariffs) are a violation of USMCA and can result in limited access to our oil and resources, including tariff countermeasures.  Canada absolutely should expand trade to other markets. Trudeau foolishly shut down the idea of exporting LNG to Europe. That needs to be reversed.  

Edited December 21, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

EU Free trade agreement and formation of a Commonwealth Free trade agreement need to be top policies.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

EU Free trade agreement and formation of a Commonwealth Free trade agreement need to be top policies.

A Commonwealth free trade agreement is problematic because of low cost jurisdictions like India and parts of Africa.  Britain, Canada, and Australia could hammer something out, perhaps with some more developed countries.