How long before Hegseth uses the military against American citizens?

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Stumped, are we?

Too cold to play cricket. Whose "we"?

[Legato]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Not until they purge all the Generals who aren't Trump loyalists and turn the Army into the SS. And brainwash the troops that their oath to the Constitution really meant to the President with some mealy-mouthed newspeak.

and don't forget the Court ruled the President is above the law so any order he gives can't possibly be an illegal order so they must OBEY

Goody!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

You still haven't say anything that would make me believe that Trump and Hegseth would not use the military against American citizens

You haven't said anything that makes me think that they would. And considering you're the one making the assertion here that burden would fall on you. I mean I can't prove anyone won't attempt to use the military, it's very difficult to prove a negative. I can't prove that Kamala Harris didn't intend to use the military to punish Americans the next day.

But all the quotes you put forward suggest that he's going after criminal immigrants or Bad actors in other countries, Not average everyday Americans. So in the absence of evidence suggesting he would do it it's not reasonable to argue that he would.

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

As long as they don't read stories to children.

As long as they don't read stories to our children. We can do whatever they like with their own children as long as it's not abusive or harmful. Will you complain loudly if we demand that they not actually have sexual intercourse with the children? Would that be too judgmental in your books?

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Culture wars were completely started by the reactionary right. They are the masters of showmanship.

Not even a little bit kiddo., they got more serious under the left especially on the colleges universities, and the left has pushed them to the point where eventually people pushed back. Think about what you just said, the reactionary right. If the left wasn't doing anything, what were they reacting to?

The left used to be all about free speech, sharing ideas, civil liberties for all. Now it's all about controlled speech, canceling any ideas other than their own, and suspending the rights of everybody other than the groups they specifically approve of (and any of that group that dares speak out they are cast out of the group). They were already beginning to form when obama began to push for his intersectional coalition which spread division and distrust and then it just blew up from there. Every single metric shows that before Obama there was a lot less of this stuff and during and after his time it had increased dramatically. "If I'd had a son he would have looked like Trayvon Martin" That crap doesn't help

 

Meanwhile, you sound like a left-wing fascist group talking point pamphlet. 

Get your act together kid

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2 hours ago, herbie said:

Not until they purge all the Generals who aren't Trump loyalists and turn the Army into the SS. And brainwash the troops that their oath to the Constitution really meant to the President with some mealy-mouthed newspeak.

and don't forget the Court ruled the President is above the law so any order he gives can't possibly be an illegal order so they must OBEY

The thing people seem to forget, is that Trump is 78, and time is not on his side. There is a good chance he will not be around in 4 years, or at least so unhinged that he will not be able to finish off his term. 

[User]

33 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The thing people seem to forget, is that Trump is 78, and time is not on his side. There is a good chance he will not be around in 4 years, or at least so unhinged that he will not be able to finish off his term. 

Biden has proved that you can be president and use the White House as an old folks home.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The thing people seem to forget, is that Trump is 78, and time is not on his side. There is a good chance he will not be around in 4 years, or at least so unhinged that he will not be able to finish off his term. 

I suppose it depends on what you mean by good chance. It is a possibility, but then again it's a possibility for virtually any president. But I don't think there's any reason to believe that he will be cognitively impaired to the where he's unable to do his job by the end of his term. Truth be told I don't think anybody should be allowed to run for president after about the age of 70 but Lots of people manage to maintain their faculties and health long past 82 years of age. Certainly the chances favor him in that regard although as I said anything's possible and there is a definite chance that by the end of it he could be starting to slip.

Fortunately now that the Democrats have made that perfectly acceptable it really doesn't matter much   

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Let's compare what they were fighting for. 

BLM is fighting for their survival.

MAGA is fighting for their domination.

 

Oh ok. I've sat silent here just reading...and laughing some...but this is just stoopid. BLM is not "fighting for their survival". They are scrambling to save their own skins and bank accounts.

Conservatives are fighting for America. For freedom from tyranny. For freedom from this grossness...

And yes. If it takes military support to stop this disgusting situation, brought on by you Libbies, then so be it.

This sh1t must be stopped.

Enjoy the next few years.

 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Violence is the way of the Right. 

Buddy, it was leftards that said: "mostly peaceful protest" for 4 years while people were being killed and cities were being burned. 

Conservatives semi-rioted once in the last 24 years, for less than 4 hrs.

You're an id10t. 

[gatomontes99]

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How long before Hegseth uses the military against American citizens?

January 21st.

What? You can't reason with them. Might as well just play with their stupidity.

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Radiorum said:

It’s a real war to Hegseth. He’s one paranoid dude. How long before he uses the military against the Left? According to him, they are all Marxists, and should be treated like enemy combatants.

In Battle for the American Mind (2022), he writes:

In The War on Warriors (2024), he writes:

American Crusade (2020) calls for the

Hegseth equates the left to wartime enemies:

So, anything goes, for as Hegseth says: “The Left has never fought fair.”

 

Donald Trump’s Most Dangerous Cabinet Pick

Hegseth will be a good enforcer.

Just stop abusing laws and the Constitution, democrats, and there won't be any trouble.  

Edited November 25, 2024 by Deluge

[Fluffypants]

15 hours ago, Radiorum said:

And does that scare you? 

Do you have any knowledge at all about "the talk" - How Black parents have to prepare their kids to survive in a world filled with racism? It's a right of passage for young Blacks.

Give me a break "the talk?" is about perceived racism. Its playing the race card 101, if things don't go your way blame racism.

There is so little racism left in this country against black people they have to stage it themselves.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

From your own source:

I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant criminal network.

Migrant criminals. A networks that facilitate.

In other words criminals.

ANd other nations:  broadcasting our weaknesses to our enemies: "You don't want to tell your enemy you have no ammunition... If you feel like you're a little weak, you gotta strengthen it up, but you don't do reports that we're going to lose to China in a war. 

So other nations he's talking about in those quotes you provided

And it goes on and on. You have once again provided a source that in no way shape or form addresses your argument and in no way shape or form refutes anyone else's. You seem to think that just posting a link that doesn't have anything to do with what you're talking about somehow proves what you're talking about

If Dems/Libs weren't dumb, they wouldn't be Libs/Dems. 

It takes a special kind of stupid for someone to sit there and watch CBC/CNN and not notice that they're being lied to. 

The reason why leftards keep on posting links to sites that burst their own bubbles is that they're immune to the factual content of articles they read and newscasts that they watch, and they just respond to the emotional aspect of them.

If an article starts off with Twumpie iz bad", it will tickle their confirmation bias, and they'll scan the article for everything that makes them angry and filter out all of the inconvenient facts. 

They honestly think tat you'll look at those articles and just feel like they feel when they read it, facts be damned. 

[Radiorum]

29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle every migrant criminal network.

This actually supports my position, since the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 can only be invoked when the nation is at war with another sovereign nation. It would be flatly illegal for Trump to use it. But illegality has never stopped him before.

He may have better luck with the Insurrection Act, which gives sole discretion to the president, as well as having the benefit (for Trump) of being ill-defined and thus broad in its application - gives him almost limitless power to deploy troops to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.”

How do you think a guy like Trump - who calls his political opposition "the enemy within" - will use it?

 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This actually supports my position, since the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 can only be invoked when the nation is at war with another sovereign nation. It would be flatly illegal for Trump to use it. But illegality has never stopped him before.

He may have better luck with the Insurrection Act, which gives sole discretion to the president, as well as having the benefit (for Trump) of being ill-defined and thus broad in its application - gives him almost limitless power to deploy troops to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.”

How do you think a guy like Trump - who calls his political opposition "the enemy within" - will use it?

It's a "wartime" authority, but America is "at war with terrorism". 

Wiki: 

• The war on terror, officially the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT),^[3] is a global military campaign initiated by the United States following the September 11 attacks in 2001, and is the most recent global conflict spanning multiple wars. Some researchers and political scientists have argued that it replaced the Cold War.^[4][5]

Does the US kill people with drones these days? Have they not fired any drones in the years since islamic state was defeated? None at all?

If the US can shoot drones and kill people, then they must be operating in some kind of warlike state, no? 

Is this your position then: "The US can kill terrorists with drone strikes in other countries due to the status of the "war on terror", even if there is an acceptable number of non-viable human targets around them who will also be killed, but if the terrorists are already inside the US, the army has to leave them alone, unless there is a current war declared against another country"?  

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This actually supports my position, since the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 can only be invoked when the nation is at war with another sovereign nation. It would be flatly illegal for Trump to use it.

Then he'll change it or he has a different legal opinion. I'm sure your Facebook degree in law is fine and all but chances are you're not illegal expert. In fact I would bet good money you've never actually read the text of the law and don't actually know what it says.

ALWAYS READ THE TEXT.  Do NOT rely on your echo chamber

Here's what the law actually says:

That whenever 577 STATUTE II. July 6,1798. [Expired.] In case of there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign war, or actual nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion

An Act respecting Alien Enemies

 

So in reality it doesn't need to be declared in a war, any invasion or predatory incursion counts.

Now you're the guy that likes to redefine everything to try and win arguments, do you think it's possible that with a supreme court leaning to the right trump might be able to convince the law that illegal criminal migrants being smuggled across the border is a predatory incursion?

I think he might.

This is why people are starting to look at you like a complete tard. You made a claim that you very clearly had not researched. And once again it's turned out to be false.

Learn to look things up yourself

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a "wartime" authority, but America is "at war with terrorism". 

 

It isn't even war time only. It also applies to any predatory incursions. If illegal criminals entering the US and committing crimes isn't a predatory incursion I don't know what is

 

An Act respecting Alien Enemies

[Radiorum]

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a "wartime" authority, but America is "at war with terrorism". 

Ah, so this is how Trump will justify deploying troops on domestic soil.

Trump will get an Authorization for Use of Military Force, like the Iraq Resolution.

Remember when he tweeted:

Jul 17th 2023 - 8:30:09 AM EST

Trump is our weapon of RETRIBUTION!

And posted: IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ALWAYS READ THE TEXT.  Do NOT rely on your echo chamber

Here's what the law actually says:

That whenever 577 STATUTE II. July 6,1798. [Expired.] In case of there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign war, or actual nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion

An Act respecting Alien Enemies

 

So in reality it doesn't need to be declared in a war, any invasion or predatory incursion counts.

 

The full quote:

That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government,

(Wow, that was easy.)

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Ah, so this is how Trump will justify deploying troops on domestic soil.

Get yourself cookie. That's the first intelligent thing that you've ever said here.

[CaringCdn]

Wow, not only is the title disingenuous, but it is also factually wrong!!  No where has Trump even suggested using the military against Americans! That is totally false. Must be a lib who is spewing disinformation.

 

What Trump DID say was that when it came to immigration, he would use the National Guard to implement his immigration policies if required. Big difference but of course, the Leftists are playing this lie to the hilt. And they wonder why no one watches them anymore LMAO!

[Politics1990]

the guy is so unqualified for the position it really  is   a sad state .

[herbie]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yes yes, Trump is Hitler, evil evil, no good very bad. Yawn.

So he's not going to purge Generals, he's subject to law like the rest of us ands would never even think of using the Army against the population?

[gatomontes99]

Apparently they OP was watching MSNBC:

 

[Radiorum]

5 hours ago, CaringCdn said:

No where has Trump even suggested using the military against Americans!

Have you read all the quotes of Hegseth posted? Please, tell me, what do you think he means?

And what did Trump mean when he said this:

“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”

 

 

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

OP was watching MSNBC:

Actually I never have. I don't watch TV.

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, herbie said:

Not until they purge all the Generals who aren't Trump loyalists and turn the Army into the SS. And brainwash the troops that their oath to the Constitution really meant to the President with some mealy-mouthed newspeak.

But think of all the money they'll save on man-panties. 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, CaringCdn said:

Wow, not only is the title disingenuous, but it is also factually wrong!!  No where has Trump even suggested using the military against Americans! That is totally false. Must be a lib who is spewing disinformation.

Welcome to Repolitics 🤣

That's just the tip of the iceberg. 

CNN is gospel and Biden is as sharp as a tack according to our laftard looney-toons here.

[WestCanMan]

Oh, another leftard belief here is that white men are racist because 60% of them voted for Trump, but black women aren't... 92% kamala 🤣

Is it possible that 92% of them thought that she would be better at running the economy? The border? Bringing us back from the brink of WWIII?

Not even close. They were just being racist AF.