A national conversation is the only way forward from here

[herbie]

responds with yet another dimwit MAGA response.

No I once admired the USA that could desegregate, fight a war on (what they thought was) Communism singlehandedly and go to the Moon all at the same time.
Now after a national brainfart in 2016 they overflowed their diaper and like you stand proudly grinning and thinking they proved something.
From the defenders of Democracy to somewhere between Dumbocracy and Idiocracy in only 50 years.
Maybe you can celebrate Jan 6th by toppling the Statue of Liberty just to own the libs.

Edited November 12, 2024 by herbie

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

That's very insightful, myata, but it's also why you a$$holes lost. The majority of Americans got sick of your fascism, and now we are taking our country back. 

Hilarious that you believe "the majority of Americans" meant anything in the election, when 14M Democrats that voted for Biden sat out the election.

IF Democrats had turned out like they did for Biden in 2020, Trump would be TOAST.

Of course we KNOW that you cannot face that REALITY.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Cmon myata try intelligible English for once, I passed you post through a universal translator and out came

Orange Man Bad/πx∞∬Rivers of Babylon∬

I passed your post through an AI translator and all the came out was:

"TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL"

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Hilarious that you believe "the majority of Americans" meant anything in the election, when 14M Democrats that voted for Biden sat out the election.

IF Democrats had turned out like they did for Biden in 2020, Trump would be TOAST.

Of course we KNOW that you cannot face that REALITY.

I'd say about 20 - 30 million Republicans and Independents sat out because they know this election was in the bag. The left is just too stupid to win, as evidenced by the 14 million dumbass cultist democrats that stayed home - probably to get high and masturbate to videos of illegal alien crossings into this country. 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Hilarious that you believe "the majority of Americans" meant anything in the election, when 14M Democrats that voted for Biden sat out the election.

Yes. Dead people are so unreliable

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, myata said:

Half of the population of America is ready and preparing to embrace fascism. This is the score returned by the citizen's test, numbers don't lie and where's no way from or around them. If nothing changes, one of the administrations in the near future will be fascist not only in words and spirit but de facto. This is no prophesy but already the reality stretched in time. There's no way out of here through talking, wishful thinking and/or attempting to erase facts and records of what's transpired and what it means. None of that will work, and it would be almost exactly the path that unfolded all the way to the rise of fascism in several known examples.

The precedents are written. Every single lawyer of every career criminal, gang leader or mafia boss applying for the job will cite it now. A fact and the new normal. Done deal. Yes we did.

Even if any one individual could redeem themselves via a spotlessly perfect term in the office followed by more time to convince fellow citizens, unlikely as it seems, it would change very little because the precedents are set and written into the book of history. The blueprint can be followed over and again until one time it would unfold all the way to the well-known destination. No untalking and back-walking it now. Not possible. Records can be erased from human memory and our books but not one speck can be removed from the book of history. The reality will catch up as certainly as the time itself.

But he doesn't have to. He can try to play it out all the way - and what's left standing in it? Institutions, words won't stand to rising cults - we have records of history, not only the past but now, in America, now to prove and confirm it. Individuals who tried to stand on the principle can be removed and replaced by voiceless shadows, one by one. How many times has it played out? Words don't stand to cults - they are only scratches on sheets of starch once and after the citizens have left. And so, they won't.

The time for a national conversation about the future of democracy in America is now. Maybe it's too late already and if so, we would see that. But sleepwalking into a dead end of history would be such a terrible and utterly disappointing choice. And this time, we knew all: no excuses.

After looking at some threads like this one, I now realize that I'm not the only one who gets insulted (I was beginning to think everyone was reserving their insults for me or something -.-). 

Anyway, as I've said elsewhere, if I were American, I wouldn't have voted for either Kamala or Trump. That doesn't mean that I don't think that neither of them have -anything- good about them, just not good enough to make me feel like voting for either one would have been worth the trouble. I may well have voted for RFK Jr. if he'd stayed in the race, although even then I'm not sure, as his numbers were so low near the end that I may have also decided it wouldn't have been worth the trouble.

Anyway, I'll try to just say what I most liked about the 2 main candidates rather then what I disliked about them:

Trump: Looks like the most likely candidate to get out of Ukraine quickly. I've said in the past that when it comes to Ukraine, I believe that Russia will win or everyone will lose (nuclear armageddon). Some people have said that Russia taking Ukraine would only be the start, but I've seen no evidence that Russia even wants to take all of Ukraine, let alone another country. The more Ukraine continues to attack territory Russia now considers theirs though, the more likely Russia will in fact take over all of Ukraine, at least until Zelensky is gone, whereupon they might let go of western Ukraine.

Kamala: She was pro choice, which I support.

I watched both videos from popular youtuber Johnny Harris on the 2 main candidates. I think he was pretty good when it came to Trump's video, though I know that he's for the west's "support" of Ukraine, so ofcourse he mentioned nothing about the fact that Trump was the only candidate who seems set on getting out of there as soon as possible. 

As to Harris' video, again, I think it was good, although ofcourse he said nothing about the fact that she made no mention of leaving Ukraine anytime soon. The videos are here:

 

 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

I passed your post through an AI translator and all the came out was:

"TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL"

You accusing myata of being a troll?

[gatomontes99]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

I passed your post through an AI translator and all the came out was:

"TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL"

Ultimate irony example located.

And he knows it because he read my post, even though I'm "on ignore".

[impartialobserver]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh but it is.  There's no public option for social media but it's quite easy to do when people want it.  Nonimity can be mandated, with some limited capacity for anonymous suggestions and/or whistle blowing.  The goal should be to mimic the conditions that allow for positive democratic engagement.

Not sure how you would actually put this into practice. Also.. it is clear that people do not want it. Most want to hide behind the keyboard and fire away. 

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Not sure how you would actually put this into practice. Also.. it is clear that people do not want it. Most want to hide behind the keyboard and fire away. 

There are such things in place now. 

 

There was a new Brunswick experiment in online public collaboration, and it was quite interesting and successful. There were still a few trolls but with strong moderation it's really only as bad as your average parent teacher council meeting

[myata]

10 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

After looking at some threads like this one, I now realize that I'm not the only one who gets insulted

Except the evolution doesn't work this way. It doesn't wipe soiled a$$es. It couldn't care less about hurt feelings. If you failed you fail - and will face the consequences. One - two. Can't be cancelled with any muzak. Three generations back we learned it the hard way but forgot. Again. Cross mark and no caring feedback.

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Except the evolution doesn't work this way. It doesn't wipe soiled a$$es. It couldn't care less about hurt feelings. If you failed you fail - and will face the consequences. One - two. Can't be cancelled with any muzak. Three generations back we learned it the hard way but forgot. Again. Cross mark and no caring feedback.

Sounds like myata understands that he needs to stop crying about last Tuesday. 

The real question, of course, is will he? 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

Sounds like myata understands that he needs to stop crying about last Tuesday. 

The real question, of course, is will he? 

Oh sure, I mean he seems like a pretty emotionally well put together guy to me doesn't he?