Men Dropping College Classes

[Nationalist]

On 1/9/2025 at 9:47 PM, RB said:

A landmark decision on practices in Canada of what is fair and equitable, see the Meiorin case.  A firefighter who was awesome working as a firefighter until a test of physical fitness requirement was introduce that unfairly favored males.  Meiorin failed to meet a physical fitness test requirement.  While males overwhelming pass, overwhelmingly females failed.

There's that word..."equitable". The Libbie term for "I DESERVE EVERYTHING I WANT!"

You want real equity?

You're a brainwashed twit.

There...NOW you have your real equity.

NOBODY just DESERVES anything. We WORK for that which we have and derive pride in doing so. Too bad you never learned that in Kindergarten.

[RB]

Back to the original question "men dropping out of college".  I am in school and I don't see this, I see fair representation of both males and females - maybe the STEM programs is unequal representation?

[herbie]

My grandson did, lured away by the wages of a job at the mill where his Dad worked. But when he fixed a couple controllers and manafers computers, they promoted him. He knew data entry, spreadsheets, how to do reports etc.
Within 2 years he was the youngest manager and is now in charge of that section, including his Dad's welding crew.
But he says his plan is to get in his 25 years, leave in his early 40s to do whatever he wants and have a pension behind him. Might even finish a teaching degree.

Beats my old high school buddy that bragged about his degree in computer science plus another in physics and worked out his entire life packing and delivering fish.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

 

Beats my old high school buddy that bragged about his degree in computer science plus another in physics and worked out his entire life packing and delivering fish.

I suppose so. A degree doesn't guarantee anything, but that person should have been able to leverage that into some kind of career. All things told. I'm thinking of two of the sharpest program directors I knew in IT, one with a degree in French, the other a BFA in photography. They were excellent. 

The converse of that is, you probably don't even need a degree to be good at things. 

Degrees are good for learning a lot of things and challenging yourself. 

Wisdom is another thing. 

I'll never forget the guy I knew in third year, as statistics Wiz, who tracked what lottery tickets had been pulled in the past. They teach the memory list principal in the first week of school, meaning that his obsessive archiving was useless. I don't think he ever won.

 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I suppose so. A degree doesn't guarantee anything, but that person should have been able to leverage that into some kind of career. All things told. I'm thinking of two of the sharpest program directors I knew in IT, one with a degree in French, the other a BFA in photography. They were excellent. 

The converse of that is, you probably don't even need a degree to be good at things. 

Degrees are good for learning a lot of things and challenging yourself. 

Wisdom is another thing. 

I'll never forget the guy I knew in third year, as statistics Wiz, who tracked what lottery tickets had been pulled in the past. They teach the memory list principal in the first week of school, meaning that his obsessive archiving was useless. I don't think he ever won.

 

That used to be true but it's not really anymore.

It managed to University for a long time was that even if you didn't use the specific subject you were studying simply going through University taught you to study and how to research and how to learn. You gained the skills necessary to acquire knowledge and therefore if you stepped out of University into something different you still retain the ability to learn about what you chose as a career.

It also provided a baseline saying you're intelligent enough to get through University, you can't be a complete Dolt. So an employer knew they were getting someone that wasn't dumb at the very least

Unfortunately times have changed and universities no longer operate that way. They don't teach kids how to think independently, they punish that kind of thinking. They are looking for people who can reach the conclusions that they want them to reach and only those conclusions. Kids coming out of University these days very clearly lack the kind of objective reasoning and research skills that we used to see.

And the information they've received tends to be colored or tainted to match certain agendas. In addition we're seeing more social sciences and degrees of questionable marketable value. Those don't have the same impetus to perform. 

University degrees are not worth what they used to be sadly. 

[herbie]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

University degrees are not worth what they used to be sadly. 

So those without one seem to like to tell us.
Those that judge worth in financial terms the loudest.

[CdnFox]

Just now, herbie said:

So those without one seem to like to tell us.

Oh? Do you hear that from them too? well then it looks like us grads and the non grads are on the same page  

Don't worry, I'm sure your degree from Facebook U  is still worth something  

[John Stone]

On 8/5/2025 at 12:38 AM, herbie said:

My grandson did, lured away by the wages of a job at the mill where his Dad worked. But when he fixed a couple controllers and manafers computers, they promoted him. He knew data entry, spreadsheets, how to do reports etc.
Within 2 years he was the youngest manager and is now in charge of that section, including his Dad's welding crew.
But he says his plan is to get in his 25 years, leave in his early 40s to do whatever he wants and have a pension behind him. Might even finish a teaching degree.

Beats my old high school buddy that bragged about his degree in computer science plus another in physics and worked out his entire life packing and delivering fish.

Post secondary education is a business ........an industry? It generates wealth for the provider. 

[herbie]

7 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Post secondary education is a business ........an industry? It generates wealth for the provider. 

And knowledge for the attendees. Not intended to provide employment guarantees.
You won't even get far in Trade School if you suck at math and can't read and write properly.

[CdnFox]

45 minutes ago, herbie said:

And knowledge for the attendees. Not intended to provide employment guarantees.
You won't even get far in Trade School if you suck at math and can't read and write properly.

No they provide certification. And that is about employment that's for sure. You can get the knowledge without going to University or college, in fact many of the courses are available for free online. But you won't get the certification that says you've passed it

[John Stone]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

And knowledge for the attendees. Not intended to provide employment guarantees.
You won't even get far in Trade School if you suck at math and can't read and write properly.

University would provide degrees in basket weaving if they thought it profitable. 

19 hours ago, herbie said:

And knowledge for the attendees. Not intended to provide employment guarantees.
You won't even get far in Trade School if you suck at math and can't read and write properly.

Is the knowledge relevant - more importantly, will it be relevant - was it worth the squeeze$$$$. 

[herbie]

And you shall judge what is relevant?

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, herbie said:

And you shall judge what is relevant?

Why not let the market do it? And all public funding for schools and make them completely private institutions. Students can pay for courses that they think will be worth money when they get out and avoid courses that will leave them broke and jobless. And if they want to pay for courses that have no value then there's their choice if they can afford it

[SpankyMcFarland]

I still prefer to see my relatives finishing degrees they start whether they are going to use them directly or not. Dropping out in year three of a four year course makes no sense to me unless, for example, you’re starting a high tech firm or just got a part on Broadway. Usually, there’s no good reason given.