Harris Rejects Jesus

[User]

34 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

While you are correct that this doesn't definitively prove that god doesn't exist,  it is certainly part of the cumulative case against the existence of God.

My argument was not that it doesn't "definitively" prove God doesn't exist. Your entire argument was a logical fallacy, based on a false dilemma and a strawman. My argument was that yours was simply bad. Period. 

35 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

God by definition is not falsifiable, this is a problem for people like me that use reason, logic and the scientific method to come to conclusions.

I am not here trying to convince you that you must believe God is proven to be real. 

36 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

is pretty much you waving the white flag 

You didn't really offer any argument here, you just restated what I said in a much longer and unnecessary way then declared it was my waving the white flag. 

Why? Why is that my waving the white flag?

Does a kindergartner know why they are not being taught calculus yet? No. The point is still the same here... meant to be a simple analogy to explain that your now knowing why God has not revealed things to you yet is perfectly plausible and easily explained. 

40 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

If gods revelation is in any way analogous to an underpaid, overworked, kindergarten teacher, how powerful can he be?

He can be Omnipotent. 

41 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Now, I have given  honest responses to why I don't believe, if you can't actually respond to them and are simply going to come back with nah han or an insult, just don't bother responding, because for me that will signify that you are not looking for the same kind of conversation I am and I will no longer interact (not that I think it would bother you)

Says the guy who goes on to say in his next comment here:

31 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So any evidence of your sky daddy?

Look, you don't get to pretend like this is our very first interaction here. Almost all of your comments on this subject are petty bigoted attempts to be insulting, that are typically little more than the same old surface level deep crap the average bigoted person against Christianity regurgitates without much ability to argue and reason beyond that. 

43 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

I want to know as many true things and as few false things as possible. So if you could provide a positive argument for the existence of God, remembering that the Bible is the claim not the evidence. I will gladly listen and if it's a strong argument may even alter my world view. If not, kick rocks 

No, you are not here on some noble quest for truth, you are here to be petty and insulting. I am not here to prove God to you, just call out your awful arguments. If you don't like that, you can go kick rocks. 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

1. I've read the Bible cover to cover, I grew up in more than one Christian foster home.

So still no argument for god eh?

2. How long before you just admit there is none ?

At least some Christians will acknowledge it's about faith not facts, but you're not even that honest or maybe just not that smart, oh why quibble everyone knows it's both and when you add your impotence, both phallic and mental you see why the only feeling you evoke in me is pity 

So any evidence of your sky daddy?

1. In other words the Bible completely escapes you. You read it cover to cover and all you liked was the parables. I guess that's nice for the shallow segment of society, but it's hardly faith building, which is the primary purpose of the Bible. 

2. Why do you dipshits continually insist that science is anti-god when science can't even prove there is no god? 

If you want proof that there is a god, go ask him. He's open to everyone. Didn't you learn anything like that when you went "cover to cover" in the Bible? 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I don't understand why you guys lie when it is so easily debunked.

A bunch of pro-Trump right wing social media figures lie about Kamala. In other news, the sky is blue...

[SkyHigh]

38 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Really? So why do you keep arguing with my questions if the questions are not argumentative?

Seriously?

39 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You lied. Genesis 1:3 is when light was created. Genesis 1:11 is when plants were created.

Apologies, light was day one, plants day three and  the SUN day four , but light without sun doesn't really make sense and you can't get photosynthesis from a flash light.

So my point is still valid 

42 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Well, proving God's word is accurate will do that. We are in the middle of that.

This is the only question that matters because if god doesn't exist we know the Bible is false. The rest of what you're saying is just fluff because you can't provide a positive argument that supports the core issue of any argument about god. 

Does he exist!

So do you have any positive, logically sound, deductively valid inferences that provided the capacity to predict or evidence that exclusively (or at least allows us to exclude other major world views) support that assertion, or are you just going to continue to play semantic games?

[User]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

A bunch of pro-Trump right wing social media figures lie about Kamala. In other news, the sky is blue...

You have the video. What is the lie?

[gatomontes99]

15 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Seriously?

Apologies, light was day one, plants day three and  the SUN day four , but light without sun doesn't really make sense and you can't get photosynthesis from a flash light.

So my point is still valid 

You don't understand how there can be light without sun so that means it didn't happen?

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This is the only question that matters because if god doesn't exist we know the Bible is false. The rest of what you're saying is just fluff because you can't provide a positive argument that supports the core issue of any argument about god.

Does he exist!

So do you have any positive, logically sound, deductively valid inferences that provided the capacity to predict or evidence that exclusively (or at least allows us to exclude other major world views) support that assertion, or are you just going to continue to play semantic games?

I did. You didn't want to hear them.

First, law of conservation of mass states mass cannot be created or destroyed. The fact mass exists is proof that it was created. Which means a force, unexplainable to man, mad the universe. Aka God

Second, Genesis 1 accurately outlines the creation of the universe and our planet and life on it.

You choose to reject those arguments but you, of yet, have not provided any proof.

Edited October 20, 2024 by gatomontes99

[gatomontes99]

22 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

A bunch of pro-Trump right wing social media figures lie about Kamala. In other news, the sky is blue...

There is no lie. If you've seen the unedited video, post it.

[SkyHigh]

27 minutes ago, User said:

My argument was not that it doesn't "definitively" prove God doesn't exist. Your entire argument was a logical fallacy, based on a false dilemma and a strawman. My argument was that yours was simply bad. Period. 

I am not here trying to convince you that you must believe God is proven to be real. 

You didn't really offer any argument here, you just restated what I said in a much longer and unnecessary way then declared it was my waving the white flag. 

Why? Why is that my waving the white flag?

Does a kindergartner know why they are not being taught calculus yet? No. The point is still the same here... meant to be a simple analogy to explain that your now knowing why God has not revealed things to you yet is perfectly plausible and easily explained. 

He can be Omnipotent. 

Says the guy who goes on to say in his next comment here:

Look, you don't get to pretend like this is our very first interaction here. Almost all of your comments on this subject are petty bigoted attempts to be insulting, that are typically little more than the same old surface level deep crap the average bigoted person against Christianity regurgitates without much ability to argue and reason beyond that. 

No, you are not here on some noble quest for truth, you are here to be petty and insulting. I am not here to prove God to you, just call out your awful arguments. If you don't like that, you can go kick rocks. 

So no argument, gotcha (as in I understand not as in a gotcha question, no need for that you do it to yourself)

Sad little man 

Bye now!

[SkyHigh]

26 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. In other words the Bible completely escapes you. You read it cover to cover and all you liked was the parables. I guess that's nice for the shallow segment of society, but it's hardly faith building, which is the primary purpose of the Bible. 

2. Why do you dipshits continually insist that science is anti-god when science can't even prove there is no god? 

If you want proof that there is a god, go ask him. He's open to everyone. Didn't you learn anything like that when you went "cover to cover" in the Bible? 

 

 

Oh you have gods number? Or do you think he's talking to you audibly?

So, still no argument 

Maybe you don't understand how it works, the person that makes the claim has what's called "the burden of proof" that means that they must support their assertions. In this case you are asserting god exists, I do not accept that claim, therefore you must provide evidence.

Ok, now you can ignore what I said (along with all reason and logic) and just call me a pervert, because that's all you have. 

Sad little man.

[User]

9 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So no argument, gotcha (as in I understand not as in a gotcha question, no need for that you do it to yourself)

Sad little man 

Bye now!

LOL, I respond to your comments point by point... and you run away. Again. No surprise. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've already heard the unedited video. The heckler shouts out "YOU'RE LYING!"

Was he talking to you?  

He very clearly said jesus is lord, And his buddy shouted 'christ is king' according to eyewitness accounts. 

I'm sure someone somewhere also shouted that she was lying.     It has the ring of truth to it. Sounds like you're still watching edited versions. 

I see she's down AGAIN in the polls today.  Didn't think there'd be a poll report on the weekend, but there you go. 

She's now about 6 days away from this race moving outside a reasonable chance of recovery for her and she just told Christians she hates them and they should vote for trump for a SECOND time after being a no show for skipping the al smith dinner. This is the worst possible time for her to be telling Christians they belong at the 'trump camp' and not hers if they're Christian. 

She's a horrible candidate.  A fact that even democrats knew when she tried to legitimately run for office in 2020 and had to quit for lack of interest before she got a single vote. 

 

[SkyHigh]

59 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, I respond to your comments point by point... and you run away. Again. No surprise. 

The saddest part, I actually think you believe that 

FYI. I will no longer be responding to you.

[User]

12 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

The saddest part, I actually think you believe that 

FYI. I will no longer be responding to you.

Run away! LOL

 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

1. Oh you have gods number? 

2. So, still no argument 

Maybe you don't understand how it works, the person that makes the claim has what's called "the burden of proof" that means that they must support their assertions. In this case you are asserting god exists, I do not accept that claim, therefore you must provide evidence.

Ok, now you can ignore what I said (along with all reason and logic) and just call me a pervert, because that's all you have. 

Sad little man.

1. Yes. The number is James 1:5. Try it - I think you'll be surprised. 

2. Who's arguing? You're the a$$hole telling Christians we're hallucinating. lol

And I don't think YOU know how it works. Dealing with God is a differnet situation. He doesn't just show up to prove the heathens wrong - that's not how HE works. I know you marxists wish you could control everyone and everything at all times, but you can't. You want proof? Go get it. It's waiting for you.  

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Unfortunately I don't have (or believe) in a sixth sense and the five we do have can't detect the supernatural and I still don't know how you even know you can trust your senses 

You do realize that I can't see through your eyes, therefore "your senses" give no explanatory power for others.

Any evidence that's not soley based on your feelings?

I'm not going to try to explain something you can't fathom...and I hardly fathom. I've had some experiences that forced me to acknowledge a "supernatural".

[Matthew]

5 hours ago, User said:

The Bible was in fact written by people, the claim is that it was divinely inspired throughout and accounts for interactions in history some did have with God. 

Yeah whether one is a Christian or an atheist, nothing about a set of ancient documents is going to prove or disprove any metaphysical claim. Christians barely agree on anything in the Bible when it comes to the specifics of doctrine.  So I really doubt it's going to be super useful in a more general topic, like the existence of God.

[West]

3 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Oh you have gods number? Or do you think he's talking to you audibly?

So, still no argument 

Maybe you don't understand how it works, the person that makes the claim has what's called "the burden of proof" that means that they must support their assertions. In this case you are asserting god exists, I do not accept that claim, therefore you must provide evidence.

Ok, now you can ignore what I said (along with all reason and logic) and just call me a pervert, because that's all you have. 

Sad little man.

Jesus is Lord

42 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Yeah whether one is a Christian or an atheist, nothing about a set of ancient documents is going to prove or disprove any metaphysical claim. Christians barely agree on anything in the Bible when it comes to the specifics of doctrine.  So I really doubt it's going to be super useful in a more general topic, like the existence of God.

Jesus is Lord

[SkyHigh]

55 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I'm not going to try to explain something you can't fathom...and I hardly fathom. I've had some experiences that forced me to acknowledge a "supernatural".

I'm not asking you to explain what happened, just how you came to the conclusion it was something supernatural.

Because, even though I believe, that you believe it was supernatural, I think you'll agree that your mental state does nothing for me. Without verifiable evidence I can't even include the supernatural as a candidate explanation. Therefore it can't be included in my world view.

3 minutes ago, West said:

Jesus is Lord

That's the claim, any actual evidence?

[Nationalist]

36 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

I'm not asking you to explain what happened, just how you came to the conclusion it was something supernatural.

Because, even though I believe, that you believe it was supernatural, I think you'll agree that your mental state does nothing for me. Without verifiable evidence I can't even include the supernatural as a candidate explanation. Therefore it can't be included in my world view.

That's the claim, any actual evidence?

There is no physical evidence for you to hang onto. Hence it's a belief. 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/18/2024 at 12:09 PM, gatomontes99 said:

 

Enough said.

Oh there’s a magic rule that id yourre being trolled and heclkled at an event youre not allowed to respond if theyre yelling religious slogans?

Anyway as an Atheist if the story were true I would be only be more impressed. 

Edited October 21, 2024 by BeaverFever

[SkyHigh]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

There is no physical evidence for you to hang onto. Hence it's a belief. 

I respect your opinion but I think we'll have to agree to disagree 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh there’s a magic rule that id yourre being trolled and heclkled at an event youre not allowed to respond if theyre yelling religious slogans?

Anyway as an Atheist if the story were true I would be only be more impressed. 

But as a democrat supporter In spirit if nothing else the fact that it's going to help cost to the election should make you less impressed I would think. I mean the goal here is to win the election not enter into a theology argument right?

[West]

What Kamala did to the Amish was pretty sad. They just want to be left alone to farm and raise their livestock and she decided to abuse them with lawfare. 

Sad

[BeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But as a democrat supporter In spirit if nothing else the fact that it's going to help cost to the election should make you less impressed I would think. I mean the goal here is to win the election not enter into a theology argument right?

Intelligent people understand that she was mocking protesters not Jesus

6 minutes ago, West said:

What Kamala did to the Amish was pretty sad. They just want to be left alone to farm and raise their livestock and she decided to abuse them with lawfare. 

Sad

What are you referring to now?

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, West said:

Jesus is Lord

Jesus is Lord

Herp is Derp