Some Liberal MPs are mounting a new effort to oust Justin Trudeau

[eyeball]

40 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Are you saying that during the last 8 plus years Canada has gotten better,

Definitely. Canada finally has dental-care.

This is huge and never would have happened without the power of the left wing to force our right wing governments into actually doing something progressive that helps millions of Canadians.

Minority governments rock.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Liberal MPs want to keep their jobs and don't want to go into the next election led by who is considered the worst PM in the country's history.

Maybe instead of voting with the PM to bounce JWR from the party for doing her job ethically they should have stayed loyal to democracy and bounced Trudeau instead.

Edited October 19, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Army Guy]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Definitely. Canada finally has dental-care.

This is huge and never would have happened without the power of the left wing to force our right wing governments into actually doing something progressive that helps millions of Canadians.

Minority governments rock.

 

Yes Dental care was the missing piece to all our happiness.....mean while the rest of the federal departments are in crises mode, and their solution is to distract guys like you with dental care which in a few years will be in the same crises....

SO far your Minority government sucks...it has spent well over 900 BIllion in the last 8 plus years, and we have barely anything to show for it...every department is in crises mode, your minority government is in shambles...Canada is in shambles....we should party like it was 1999...

Edited October 19, 2024 by Army Guy

[Moonlight Graham]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Definitely. Canada finally has dental-care.

This is huge and never would have happened without the power of the left wing to force our right wing governments into actually doing something progressive that helps millions of Canadians.

Minority governments rock.

 

Even evil rightwing governments that hate children and the poor like Alberta have dental and prescription drug coverage plans for low income and seniors. 

And dental is a provincial jurisdiction so the the feds can't "force" any provinces to do anything, they have to consent.

https://www.albertadentalassociation.ca/for-the-public/dental-support-programs-for-albertans/

https://www.alberta.ca/drug-coverage-health-benefits

[herbie]

OMG the criteria range is from deficits to shit = gold when defective memories come into play.

After the cutting, chopping, tax hiking, belt tightening and still getting a worse deficit of Mulroney you could hear the whole damn country breathe a sigh of relief when Chretien won.
And the do nothing but pass an unconstitutional crime bill every damn day send them cowering under the bed from terrorists with Harper the same again in 2015.
FFS go all the way back to Dief and even RB Bennet and tell us how great those times were!

Finally got started on Pharma and dental that should've been done in the 1960s, progress on Childcare first mentioned 35 years back under Mulroney, and some miscreants try to claim those as bad things.

Edited October 19, 2024 by herbie

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Yes Dental care was the missing piece to all our happiness...

It's one step forward amidst dozens that have gone sideways or backwards.

Cheer up a little for crying out loud.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

their solution is to distract guys like you with dental care which in a few years will be in the same crises....

In a few years Poilievre will be in charge and everything will be running like a Swiss watch.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

SO far your Minority government sucks...it has spent well over 900 BIllion in the last 8 plus years, and we have barely anything to show for it...every department is in crises mode, your minority government is in shambles...Canada is in shambles....we should party like it was 1999...

Like I said Poilievre is almost here. I'm surprised you people aren't swinging from the chandeliers already.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Even evil rightwing governments that hate children and the poor like Alberta have dental and prescription drug coverage plans for low income and seniors.

Good on them the more the merrier👍

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

And dental is a provincial jurisdiction so the the feds can't "force" any provinces to do anything, they have to consent.

 

No problem.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

After the cutting, chopping, tax hiking, belt tightening and still getting a worse deficit of Mulroney you could hear the whole damn country breathe a sigh of relief when Chretien won.

And kept the same policies. In fact he promised to get rid of the NAFTA deal and kept it and promised to get rid of the GST or he would quit and kept it and didn't quit.

You're right that very often liberals make an incredible mess and then leave it for the conservatives to clean up, and then blame the conservatives for the cleanup. It's kind of the liberal way, and the NDP has been supporting it strongly

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And kept the same policies. In fact he promised to get rid of the NAFTA deal and kept it and promised to get rid of the GST or he would quit and kept it and didn't quit.

You're right that very often liberals make an incredible mess and then leave it for the conservatives to clean up, and then blame the conservatives for the cleanup. It's kind of the liberal way, and the NDP has been supporting it strongly

"very often Conservatives make an incredible mess and then leave it for the Liberals to clean up, and then blame the Conservatives for the cleanup"

It is the way of politics. Tit for tat, blame the other guy. Been that way since confederation. LOL

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

"very often Conservatives make an incredible mess and then leave it for the Liberals to clean up, and then blame the Conservatives for the cleanup"

It is the way of politics. Tit for tat, blame the other guy. Been that way since confederation. LOL

LOL and i see you're referencing another long standing political tradition in Canada -  liberals lying about it and blaming the conservatives for what they themselves do  

In fact when in the last 60 years of federal politics in canada did the  conservatives  leave a mess? 

Not mulroney, canada was far better off than the trudeau years which he had to clean up. 

Not harper, he had almost a perfect great recession response and turned over a balanced budget and strong economy. 

What's your example there?   

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL and i see you're referencing another long standing political tradition in Canada -  liberals lying about it and blaming the conservatives for what they themselves do  

In fact when in the last 60 years of federal politics in canada did the  conservatives  leave a mess? 

Not mulroney, canada was far better off than the trudeau years which he had to clean up. 

Not harper, he had almost a perfect great recession response and turned over a balanced budget and strong economy. 

What's your example there?   

Have a nice day. LOL

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Have a nice day. LOL

Running away when someone showed you facts   

LOLOL well nothing new there.  At least this time you didn't have a hissy fit and spend 3 pages obsessing about me night and day and crying like a baby.  So - that's an improvement  

[ExFlyer]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Running away when someone showed you facts   

LOLOL well nothing new there.  At least this time you didn't have a hissy fit and spend 3 pages obsessing about me night and day and crying like a baby.  So - that's an improvement  

keep on keeping on

I was being nice and said "Have a nice day"  Arguing/discussing/debating with you is pointless to me so, let your arrows fly LOL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

keep on keeping on

 

Uh oh.  Hissy fit time i suspect. 

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I was being nice and said "Have a nice day"  Arguing/discussing/debating with you is pointless to me so, let your arrows fly LOL

Translation: I always lose and look stupid so I'm going to go away

Sure. It's kind of an odd way of admitting I was right but next time just be a little more clear that you are conceding the point and there's no further need to talk about it

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Uh oh.  Hissy fit time i suspect. 

Translation: I always lose and look stupid so I'm going to go away

Sure. It's kind of an odd way of admitting I was right but next time just be a little more clear that you are conceding the point and there's no further need to talk about it

And here ya go again...off on a tangent

I dopnot have to agree with you and don't want to.

As I said, Have a nice day ....or don't

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

And here ya go again...off on a tangent

If it's a tangent it's one that you brought up. I'm replying to you.

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I dopnot have to agree with you and don't want to.

As I said, Have a nice day ....or don't

 

Sure kid. 🙄  fine, if you don't want to pursue it further i'll let it go.  My recommendation for next time would be simply if you don't want to reply to my post then don't reply to my post. You don't need to write me and tell me that you're not replying to my post

[GroundskeeperWillie]

What's the point of ousting him?  We will just vote for the next horrible candidate.  Damage to the country has already been done.  it doesn't matter if he stays or not. The better thing would be to never have voted someone like him in.  

[paradox34]

On 10/11/2024 at 11:40 PM, CdnFox said:

Some Liberal MPs are mounting a new effort to oust Justin Trudeau | CBC News

As is the story says a group of liberals are circulating an ironclad pledge to demand that Justin Trudeau go away. 

They can't force him, but they can demand it.

They're also pissed off that a new campaign manager has not been chosen since the last one step down in September. An election could be called at any minute and they have no election chair.

This is really going to tear out the liberal party. And it's very stupid to be honest.

Their chance to do this was a year ago when it became obvious that believer was building a ton of steam and the liberals were not going to win the next election with Trudeau. To elect a new leader and for that leader to get ready and do the things necessary to set up to win an election or at least deny the conservatives a majority.

Now if he leaves they're screwed. There is no time to fight a leadership race and for that person to get ready for the next campaign. It is less than a year until the start of the new campaign. Even if they rush a leadership race it's still 6 months and that's going to be sloppy and fast, and then they would only have about 5 months to get ready for the next election and right now they don't even have an election chair who could pass on the work that have been done. Not only would such circumstances probably not do any better than Trudeau would have done, but it could collapse the vote entirely

Even more concerning if I were them would be the fact that Justin can now become thoroughly enraged with them, not step down and wait until the summer before announcing he will step back much like his father did. Now they wouldn't even have time for a leadership race before the election started, it would be an unmitigated disaster

Justin Trudeau has probably led the liberal party to ruin. It may well be three elections before they get their act back together, similar to what we've seen in Ontario

The removal of JT will solve nothing. He is after all merely a figurehead. The destruction of Canada and Western society will only continue and accelerate unless liberal ideology is rejected and destroyed. Greatness is achieved through commonality in vision and effort. Woke DEI is destructive, exclusion and indoctrination.

[Army Guy]

On 10/21/2024 at 10:56 PM, GroundskeeperWillie said:

What's the point of ousting him?  We will just vote for the next horrible candidate.  Damage to the country has already been done.  it doesn't matter if he stays or not. The better thing would be to never have voted someone like him in.  

We as a nation are not that smart....still of plenty of Justin fans out there...

[Moonlight Graham]

Trudeau and his PMO behave like absolute goons and dictators.  The Hill Times reports how Liberal MP's have been muzzled by the PMO and the the caucus chair from raising their concerns about Trudeau's leadership even behind closed door caucus meetings.  Liberal MP said the MP's who spoke up to voice their concerns "should be applauded for their courage" (remember what happened to JWR and Jane Philpott?).  And there's no formal leadership review process for the Liberal party.

How do we have a democracy when there's such an obvious power hierarchy in our parties?  Why do we have a PM more interested in personal power than the will of Canadians?

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2024/10/23/b-c-liberal-mp-weiler-read-a-letter-to-trudeau-and-caucus-on-behalf-of-dissenting-mps-calling-for-the-prime-ministers-resignation/439119/

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Members of the dissenting group say they have made serious efforts to raise their concerns at caucus for months, but claim they have been effectively “blocked” by caucus chair and Liberal MP Brenda Shanahan (Châteauguay-Lacolle, Que.) and the PMO at every turn. They highlight that, after the June byelection loss, nine MPs sent a written request to Shanahan for a discussion, but it was denied for “logistical” reasons.

“This is the best caucus we’ve had, just how caucus should always be,” said a Liberal MP, who spoke on not for attribution basis as all caucus meetings are confidential. “There were a number of people who said, ‘You know, everyone who has spoken up today should be applauded for the courage.’ And this is exactly what it was. The first time we’ve had a caucus meeting where people actually spoke their mind.”

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

57 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

We as a nation are not that smart....still of plenty of Justin fans out there...

33% approval rating.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/approval-trudeaus-performance-just-33-canadians-call-parliament-focus-cost-living

I voted for him in 2015 to get rid of Harper who was turning into a goon, but definitely not since.  He's been a lot worse than Harper as a goon and almost every other aspect.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Michael Hardner]

On 10/22/2024 at 1:13 PM, paradox34 said:

 The destruction of Canada and Western society will only continue and accelerate unless liberal ideology is rejected and destroyed. 

Small L liberal?  So... what specifically does that mean in terms of policy?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Small L liberal?  So... what specifically does that mean in terms of policy?

Oh oh oh I know this one!!!

Anything right wing.

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

(remember what happened to JWR and Jane Philpott?).

And there's no formal leadership review process for the Liberal party.

How about a criminal justice process for what happened to JWR and Jane Philpott?

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How do we have a democracy when there's such an obvious power hierarchy in our parties? Why do we have a PM more interested in personal power than the will of Canadians?

Because the will of the wealthiest is farther up the hierarchy of concern.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

How about a criminal justice process for what happened to JWR and Jane Philpott?

Sounds good to me.

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Because the will of the wealthiest is farther up the hierarchy of concern.

Well I only voted for Trudeau once in 2015 to boot out Harper.  Canadians still re-elected Trudeau and his party after the whole JWR scandal went down (even though the CPC won the popular vote the last 2 elections).  So the state of the country right now is as much on those who have continued to vote Liberal.  I saw the writing on the wall several years ago.  I probably would have preferred O'Toole over PP.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/12/2024 at 10:11 AM, ExFlyer said:

Ousting Justin now will only delay any election.

They will need and get tome to have a leadership convention and select a new leader.

Keep Justin. and hopefully get a loss of confidence vote.

Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.

I think the Liberal Party is almost as disgusting a party as the GOP.  Both a bunch of corrupt incompetent loons, just opposite sides of the spectrum.