CA Sues Hospital for Refusing Abortion

[Yakuda]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Yes in the same way I'm ok with Bella choosing Edward over Jake in the Twilight Saga lmao. Because they're both fictional things you see.

Coward. It's not fictional as 9 states and DC allow for abortions with no restrictions based on gestational age and you can't bring yourself to denounce them for it. You're a gutless pice of garbage AND evil. 

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Me: "The state of life and the state of consciousness are not the same thing"

Something can be different but related.  That was what you were proposing. 

An apple and an orange are related, theyre both fruits  But they're not the same thing. 

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You: "That's not true, they're unrelated!"

Just arguing to argue, no thought involved.

 

LOL so you got busted again and you're butt hurt about it.  Can't even address the point  

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Not really, because then any creature with high level brain functions would be considered on the same level as a human, which would exclude you of course.

Why? That's stupid. The fact that something has a functioning brain doesnt' mean it's human, not ALL things with brains are humans. But all humans have a functioning brain. , When a human's brain starts functioning thats when it starts to be a human. 

All cats have 4 legs. My dog has 4 legs. therefore my dog is a cat.

- Black dog 

  Logic just isn't your thing is it  

That's not terribly complicated. Do you need me to find a grade 3 student to explain it to you?

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96% of abortions occur before 16 week mark, the system regulates itself and no big government interference is required.

Good, good. Now make it 100 percent. Problem solved. 

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, Yakuda said:

Coward. It's not fictional as 9 states and DC allow for abortions with no restrictions based on gestational age and you can't bring yourself to denounce them for it. You're a gutless pice of garbage AND evil. 

Again: why would they pass a law to stop something that doesn't happen?

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's not terribly complicated. Do you need me to find a grade 3 student to explain it to you?

Leave your girlfriend out of this.

[Yakuda]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Again: why would they pass a law to stop something that doesn't happen?

You don't read so well do you? Your level of stupidity has got to genetic. 

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Something can be different but related.  That was what you were proposing. 

An apple and an orange are related, theyre both fruits  But they're not the same thing. 

LOL so you got busted again and you're butt hurt about it.  Can't even address the point  

I didn't say they were related so your whole thing here is, as usual, gibberish.

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Why? That's stupid. The fact that something has a functioning brain doesnt' mean it's human, not ALL things with brains are humans. But all humans have a functioning brain. , When a human's brain starts functioning thats when it starts to be a human. 

I didn't say they were human either, my god you are so bad at this..

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  Logic just isn't your thing is it  

 

My logic is fine, but I have serious questions about you literacy level.

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Good, good. Now make it 100 percent. Problem solved. 

No.

[Black Dog]

2 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

You don't read so well do you? Your level of stupidity has got to genetic. 

50 States have no restrictions around parking a unicorn in a handicapped stall and you can't bring yourself to denounce them for it. Pathetic.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

 

Sure, but that almost never happens 

Which means it happens.

So pass laws so that it doesn't happen. Problem solved.

[Black Dog]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Which means it happens.

So pass laws so that it doesn't happen. Problem solved.

Almost exclusively for medical reasons, so the only "problem" you're solving here is "living women."

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I didn't say they were related so your whole thing here is, as usual, gibberish.

Nobody claimed you did., so sorry  still you.  It's gibberish to you because it's logic and reason  

I pointed out that it's not a problem of them not being the same thing, the issue is they aren't even related. but as usual your brain just skipped over the 'complicated' stuff.  (well for you anyway)

 

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I didn't say they were human either, my god you are so bad at this..

You said they were equivilant to a human  

Now you realize how stupid that is and you're trying to play the "well,,, umm,,, TECHNICALLY i didn't say they were an ACTUAL human sort of kind of... "   

Human rights attach to humans. So if you're saying something else is the same you're extending that humanity 

And it woudl be stupid do to so which was the point, a point you couldn't refute or address 

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My logic is fine, but I have serious questions about you literacy level.

There's that trademark surrender insult again   

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No.

LOL -   well now we know you're a hypocrite.  Welll in fairness we knew that already    

Enjoy your 4 more years of trump  

5 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Almost exclusively for medical reasons, 

So make it ENTIRELY for medical reasons ONLY. 

Problem solved. 

You're really doing badly today    

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody claimed you did., so sorry  still you.  It's gibberish to you because it's logic and reason  REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

You did:

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Something can be different but related.  That was what you were proposing. 

Wow you're somehow getting worse at this stuff by the second.

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I pointed out that it's not a problem of them not being the same thing, the issue is they aren't even related. but as usual your brain just skipped over the 'complicated' stuff.  (well for you anyway)

Oh brother who cares.

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You said they were equivilant to a human REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Now you realize how stupid that is and you're trying to play the "well,,, umm,,, TECHNICALLY i didn't say they were an ACTUAL human sort of kind of... "   

Nope, keep whiffing though.

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Human rights attach to humans. So if you're saying something else is the same you're extending that humanity 

I didn't say anything about human rights either. It's amazing you have to invent arguments and still can't win against the fictional arguments you've invented in your head.

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There's that trademark surrender insult again  REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Not an original thought in that head, huh.

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LOL -   well now we know you're a hypocrite.  Welll in fairness we knew that already  REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Enjoy your 4 more years of trump REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So make it ENTIRELY for medical reasons ONLY. 

Problem solved. 

You're really doing badly today  REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

Hope you don't mind but I edited your post to accurately convey you emotional state r.n.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Sex--even consenting sex--is not a consent to simply endure whatever unwelcome consequences come from that act. These two posts together illustrate that pretty clearly.

If something you don't want to happen ends up happening, you fix it. 

Put a condom on. Problem solved.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Yakuda said:

You just want to fix it through murder is that it?  In what other areas of life is killing the allowable solution? Can I kill my boss if he fires me? That would definitely be something I don't want to happen that could end up happening. I don't consent to being fired just by taking the job. 

It's not murder silly. It's not a person, but even if it were it would be a matter of self defense. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Put a condom on. Problem solved.

Or, failing that, terminate the pregnancy. Problem solved. 

 

BTW, nobody is choosing an expensive, inconvenient and potentially painful and traumatic abortion as an alternative to birth control. Nobody makes that calculus. That's another right wing fantasy. If they mess up, they go get Plan B--and even that's expensive enough to incentivize responsible birth control.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

 

Oh brother who cares.  I'm not smart enough for that kind of thinking anyway

Anyone with a brain.  So not you    But i love your rebuttals have now become "duuuuhh, me no care about facts and truth '  

 

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Nope, keep whiffing though. I may be wrong but at least i can deny it

Yep,  Sorry kiddo but denying the truth doesn't make it true. 

 

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I didn't say anything about human rights either. Although that's what i meant with what i said

Sure you did. You said it elevated them to the level of a human.  Humans have rights. That's what we were talking about.

Some how you're getting worse at this as you go  

 

 

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It's amazing you have to invent arguments and still can't win against the fictional arguments you've invented in your head. Usually it's me doing that

 As you say that's actually your trick. You do that constantly because it's a very left-wing popular technique.

You know  like when you put extra things in quotes from me that never got said  Just to point something out at random  Lots of fun  

However in this case what you're doing is the other technique you like so much which is to deny what you've said. You say something stupid, I point out it's stupid, you realize that I'm right and then you try and say that what you said isn't what you said.

Sorry kid, what you said is what you said

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Not an original thought in that head, huh.

Sadly for you the truth remains the truth

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Hope you don't mind but I edited your post because i couldn't argue with what you said. 

Naaaww  we know you lie all the time.    I've edited yours to be a little more truthful as well.  

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Anyone with a brain.  So not you REEEEEEEEEE  But i love your rebuttals have now become "duuuuhh, me no care about facts and truth ' REEEEEEEEEE 

Blah blah blah your only 'sperging out because you've been losing arguments left right and centre here of late.

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Sure you did. You said it elevated them to the level of a human.  Humans have rights. That's what we were talking about.

No, were talking about consciousness.

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Some how you're getting worse at this as you go REEEEEEEEEE

 

Aw look who's the parrot now. What a spaz.

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As you say that's actually your trick. You do that constantly because it's a very left-wing popular technique.

You know  like when you put extra things in quotes from me that never got said REEEEEEEEEE Just to point something out at random REEEEEEEEE Lots of fun REEEEEEEEEE 

Except I never change your actual words because they're stupid enough on their own. Sorry spaz boy, you lose again.

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However in this case what you're doing is the other technique you like so much which is to deny what you've said. You say something stupid, I point out it's stupid, you realize that I'm right and then you try and say that what you said isn't what you said.

These are just lies you tell yourself. No one else believes them, but they're lies all the same.

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Sorry kid, what you said is what you said

Sadly for you the truth remains the truth

Naaaww  we know you lie all the time.  REEEEEEEE  I've edited yours to be a little more truthful as well. REEEEEEEEEEE 

And now, we're entering the projection stage of your inevitable meltdown/surrender.  Like clockwork.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Blah blah blah your only 'sperging out because you've been losing arguments left right and centre here of late.

No, were talking about consciousness.

Aw look who's the parrot now. What a spaz.

Except I never change your actual words because they're stupid enough on their own. Sorry spaz boy, you lose again.

These are just lies you tell yourself. No one else believes them, but they're lies all the same.

And now, we're entering the projection stage of your inevitable meltdown/surrender.  Like clockwork.

Oh look - you're butt hurt because someone did to you what you did to them   How very shocking. 

And of course you freak out about it.   Hey kid - you change my quotes i'll change yours.  You leave mine alone i'll leave yours alone. But like every bully ever you go after someone and get punched in the nose and cry "NOOOOO FAAAAAAAIIIIRRR".    LOL - what a loser 

End of the day all you've got is your crying and b*tching left. 

SO.  Setting aside your salty tears and lies...... 

No.' We we talking about rights. My argument was that human rights attach to a fetus when the brain starts to work andthat's when they can be considered to be a human being.  Consciousness is irrelevant as  i pointed out. Remember? You freaked out when i pointed that out. Did a big hissy fit about how you never said it and now you're back saying it  

And of course you can't kill a human, they have human rights. 

You have yet to even try to refute it. you claimed that if that were true any higher life that had a brain would be at the same level of  a human.  Nope, they're not a human nor do they have human rights etc etc. 

You've tried to twist it, you try to make it about 'consciousness'  etc and tried to deny what you said but at the end of the day i'm right and you've not been able to refute it. 

And kid....  nobody's buying your whole "projection" sctick. Everyone on this forum knows that denial, melt downs and sad little sexual fantasy thingies are what you're all about and i've mentioned it many times. 

Again - you've achieved the intellectual level of a parrot and think somehow that's a good look 

[Black Dog]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh look - you're butt hurt because someone did to you what you did to them REEEEEEEE  How very shocking. 

And of course you freak out about it.   Hey kid - you change my quotes i'll change yours.  You leave mine alone i'll leave yours alone. But like every bully ever you go after someone and get punched in the nose and cry "NOOOOO FAAAAAAAIIIIRRR". REEEEEEEE   LOL - what a loser 

Are you still crying little spazz?

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End of the day all you've got is your crying and b*tching left. 

SO.  Setting aside your salty tears and lies...... 

No.' We we talking about rights. My argument was that human rights attach to a fetus when the brain starts to work andthat's when they can be considered to be a human being.  Consciousness is irrelevant as  i pointed out. Remember? You freaked out when i pointed that out. Did a big hissy fit about how you never said it and now you're back saying it REEEEEEEEEE

Yeah that's a retarded argument where you're tying a philosophical concept like "humanity" to an automatic biological process, no different than the bogus "fetal heartbeat" argument. Might as well say "the humanity fairy comes and waves it's wand and gives them human rights."

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And of course you can't kill a human, they have human rights. 

You have yet to even try to refute it. you claimed that if that were true any higher life that had a brain would be at the same level of  a human.  Nope, they're not a human nor do they have human rights etc etc. 

 

You argued our brains "define us as being a human being." But you're not actually talking about the higher functions that are unique to humans. Rather, you're talking about unconscious brain activity that regulates the various system in the body, which is certainly not unique to humans. So how can the thing that defines us as human be a trait we share with every higher life form? It's like arguing "the thing that defines a cow is their horns." No, what defines us as human is both simpler (our DNA) and more complex (higher functions and consciousness).

Nobody in their right mind would think "the brain's ability to regulate bodily functions" is the thing that defines us as human. It just defines as a higher order mammal.

 

 

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You've tried to twist it, you try to make it about 'consciousness'  etc and tried to deny what you said but at the end of the day i'm right and you've not been able to refute it. 

And kid....  nobody's buying your whole "projection" sctick. Everyone on this forum knows that denial, melt downs and sad little sexual fantasy thingies are what you're all about and i've mentioned it many times. 

Again - you've achieved the intellectual level of a parrot and think somehow that's a good look 

 

I feel compelled to point out that not only are you a spazz and pretty dumb, you're a terrible writer. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Are you still crying little spazz?

Awww muffin   it's cute when you try to deflect your own anger and resentment like that   

 

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Yeah that's a retarded argument where you're tying a philosophical concept like "humanity" to an automatic biological process, no different than the bogus "fetal heartbeat" argument. Might as well say "the humanity fairy comes and waves it's wand and gives them human rights."

LOL - i never said anything about 'Humanity" .  I said that's when someone becomes a human being rather than a bunch of cells and human rights attach. 

Human beings are real things. You've probably met one at some point  

And human rights are real things, fairly well described in law and precedent. 

Neither are philosophical arguments    

Hell kid that wasn't even grade one level.  Cope harder. 

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You argued our brains "define us as being a human being." But you're not actually talking about the higher functions that are unique to humans.

Exactly.  I see you're trying to bring it back to this "consciousness' thing which i've pointed out numerous times has nothing to do with being alive. 

When a human's brain turns on and begins to regulate bodily functions, that is a reasonable point to say the person 'becomes alive' as a human being.  The end or complete cessation of the brain is already considered death. SO why wouldn't the same definition work for life ?

 

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Nobody in their right mind would think "the brain's ability to regulate bodily functions" is the thing that defines us as human. It just defines as a higher order mammal.

Nobody said it did - what i said was our brains define us as human and when they turn on and start to work is when we can be thought of as a human.    I did not say the regulation of body functions is what makes us human.   

You really really really do suck at this.   

 

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I feel compelled to point out that not only are you a spazz and pretty dumb, you're a terrible writer. 

I feel compelled to point out that Not only are you a salty little b*tch Who lashes out and flails every time he loses an argument but you're also fairly transparent and feeble

The brain turning off is when we consider a person dead. The brain turning on would therefore likely be a perfectly good definition of when the person is alive. 

Feel free to continue to flail though it's always amusing to watch

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Or, failing that, terminate the pregnancy. Problem solved. 

 

BTW, nobody is choosing an expensive, inconvenient and potentially painful and traumatic abortion as an alternative to birth control. Nobody makes that calculus. That's another right wing fantasy. If they mess up, they go get Plan B--and even that's expensive enough to incentivize responsible birth control.

So use birth control and stop killing 3rd trimester babies.

[Hodad]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So use birth control and stop killing 3rd trimester babies.

Happens next to never without medical cause. You're tilting at windmills. 

I'm willing to bet that way more people are struck by lightning each year than the abortion of healthy fetuses in healthy women in the third trimester. 

[CdnFox]

 

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

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Or, failing that, terminate the pregnancy. Problem solved. 

So use birth control and stop killing 3rd trimester babies.

He doesn't seem to realize he is proposing solving his problems with murder  

At the end of the day at some point the fetus becomes a human being with rights attached. You can't make the argument that they make effectively unless you address that because otherwise it's murder. And they just don't seem to be willing to address that

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Happens next to never without medical cause. You're tilting at windmills. 

 

Then you won't mind a law saying that it never happens without medical cause.

They keep coming back with this circular argument,

it almost never happens so we don't need to worry about it it's no big deal,

well then why can't we make it never happen,

oh well we want to be able to have it happen...

[Yakuda]

17 hours ago, Black Dog said:

50 States have no restrictions around parking a unicorn in a handicapped stall and you can't bring yourself to denounce them for it. Pathetic.

It's amazing how gutless you are. Nine states allow abortion up the moment of birth and you can't bring yourself to oppose it. As pathetic as I may be my moral compass isn't f'd up. Better to be pathetic than evil. 

[Rebound]

18 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Coward. It's not fictional as 9 states and DC allow for abortions with no restrictions based on gestational age and you can't bring yourself to denounce them for it. You're a gutless pice of garbage AND evil. 

A physician needs to agree that it’s in the best interests of the patient. They won’t perform abortion on demand in the third trimester unless there’s a medically valid reason. And you don’t just tell the doctor your reason. He or she needs to medically qualify that there’s a reason why the pregnancy should be terminated when it’s that far along, and these events are extremely rare.

Edited October 4, 2024 by Rebound

[Yakuda]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

A physician needs to agree that it’s in the best interests of the patient. They won’t perform abortion on demand in the third trimester unless there’s a medically valid reason. And you don’t just tell the doctor your reason. He or she needs to medically qualify that there’s a reason why the pregnancy should be terminated when it’s that far along, and these events are extremely rare.

Irrelevant. Nine states allow abortion with no restrictions based on gestational age. So in those states a nine month old BABY can be killed because if happens to be on the wrong side of a womans vagina. 

BTW the amendment they are trying to pass in Florida a physicians recommendation will not longer be needed for an abortion. A "health care provider" is all that will be needed. 

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

Irrelevant. Nine states allow abortion with no restrictions based on gestational age. So in those states a nine month old BABY can be killed because if happens to be on the wrong side of a womans vagina. 

BTW the amendment they are trying to pass in Florida a physicians recommendation will not longer be needed for an abortion. A "health care provider" is all that will be needed. 

No, you ignorant liar, there are restrictions in those nine states: Namely, a physician must agree.

Besides that, it has always been possible for states to outlaw third trimester abortion; the Supreme Court decision did not change that. But I agree that a physician and patient should be able to terminate a preganancy in the third trimester if there is a medically valid reason for it, as determined by the patient and the medically licensed physician.  It is absurd that a healthcare provider should refuse lifesaving medical treatment to a patient because they’re worried that it will result in a prison sentence. Politician should not make medical decisions. 

Edited October 4, 2024 by Rebound