Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 4 minutes ago, Rebound said: You have no way of knowing what a fetus is thinking or not. It's pure speculation. What sort of clap-trap is this? Can you know what another person is thinking without verbal or written confirmation? Of course not. Grow up just a little bit. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 3, 2024 Author Report Posted October 3, 2024 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What sort of clap-trap is this? Can you know what another person is thinking without verbal or written confirmation? Of course not. Grow up just a little bit. You're the one who spouted the clap-trap that, in your exact words, "By the end of the first trimester, the baby is aware." You have no proof of this. And I don't even know what "aware" means in this statement. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 39 minutes ago, Rebound said: You're the one who spouted the clap-trap that, in your exact words, "By the end of the first trimester, the baby is aware." You have no proof of this. And I don't even know what "aware" means in this statement. Aware. Knows it exists. Knows it's mother's voice. If poked, will respond. Now you know. You're welcome. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 3, 2024 Author Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Aware. Knows it exists. Knows it's mother's voice. If poked, will respond. Now you know. You're welcome. How do you know these things, besides the poking thing? And where’s the data that a fetus responds to stimuli in the first 90 days? Edited October 3, 2024 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 Just now, Rebound said: How do you know these things, besides the poking thing? Good Lord...here...educate yourself. As you read, note the distinction of "awareness" and "consciousness". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19092726/ Hint: pay attention to the very first paragraph. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Good Lord...here...educate yourself. As you read, note the distinction of "awareness" and "consciousness". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19092726/ Hint: pay attention to the very first paragraph. lmao Quote A simple definition of consciousness is sensory awareness of the body, the self, and the world. The fetus may be aware of the body, for example by perceiving pain. It reacts to touch, smell, and sound, and shows facial expressions responding to external stimuli. However, these reactions are probably preprogrammed and have a subcortical nonconscious origin. By this absurd definition every animal right down to a single-celled organism has "consciousness". Edited October 3, 2024 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 11 minutes ago, Black Dog said: lmao By this absurd definition every animal right down to a single-celled organism has "consciousness". Indeed. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 On 10/1/2024 at 7:51 AM, Rebound said: California has sued Providence Healthcare for refusing to give a woman an abortion. Here’s what happened: A woman carrying twins had her water break at 15 weeks. She went to the hospital where her doctor told her one twin was already dead, the other couldn’t make it, and she’d probably die if an abortion wasn’t performed. Because a fetal heart beat could allegedly be heard, the hospital’s policy prohibited an abortion. After several hours, her husband drove her to the next closest hospital, where she arrived hemorrhaging and passing a blood clot the size of an apple. She expelled one fetus and was rushed into the operating room so the other fetus could be removed, records show. She could have died as a result of this hubris. This is the price women pay when abortion is denied to them. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/30/health/california-abortion-lawsuit-st-joseph-hospital.html This is a heartbreaking story, but too bad for you that 99.99% of abortions are performed for convenience. Quote
Hodad Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: This is what's wrong with the Libbie perspective. They view the beauty of creation as theft. An imposition. They deny nature itself. If it's a gift, that's fine. But if it's against a person's will, then hell yes it's theft. The government forcing a woman to surrender her body for nine months to bring a baby to term against her will should be an unthinkable violation of personal sovereignty. But as a person who can't get pregnant and will never have to bear such a violation, you're not much bothered by it. How surprising. Quote
Hodad Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 19 minutes ago, Black Dog said: lmao By this absurd definition every animal right down to a single-celled organism has "consciousness". That's why he hasn't had his syphilis treated. He had sex and now there's a life flourishing inside him that cannot be murdered! And he's gotten crazier and crazier as it's crept into his brain. 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Indeed. Well that's just stupid. We don't talk of consciousness in those terms as it applies to human beings. 10 minutes ago, Yakuda said: This is a heartbreaking story, but too bad for you that 99.99% of abortions are performed for convenience. And 99 per cent of abortions occur within the first 20 weeks but that doesn't stop you shitheads from constantly blathering about "late term abortions". Edited October 3, 2024 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Well that's just stupid. We don't talk of consciousness in those terms as it applies to human beings. And 99 per cent of abortions occur within the first 20 weeks but that doesn't stop you shitheads from constantly blathering about "late term abortions". Nine states and the District of Columbia have no restrictions on abortion based on gestational age you dimwitted piece of human debris Quote
Rebound Posted October 3, 2024 Author Report Posted October 3, 2024 18 minutes ago, Yakuda said: This is a heartbreaking story, but too bad for you that 99.99% of abortions are performed for convenience. When a woman is raped, is abortion "convenient" for her? Where is your evidence that 99.99% of abortions are "convenience" abortions? You just made that up, didn't you? Because MAGA is all about lying. There's never any truth with you people. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 6 minutes ago, Yakuda said: Nine states and the District of Columbia have no restrictions on abortion based on gestational age you dimwitted piece of human debris So what? Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rebound said: When a woman is raped, is abortion "convenient" for her? Where is your evidence that 99.99% of abortions are "convenience" abortions? You just made that up, didn't you? Because MAGA is all about lying. There's never any truth with you people. Even abortions for rape are rare compared to just "I don't want a baby". (Convenience) https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives Edited October 3, 2024 by Yakuda Quote
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 2 minutes ago, Rebound said: When a woman is raped, is abortion "convenient" for her? Where is your evidence that 99.99% of abortions are "convenience" abortions? You just made that up, didn't you? Because MAGA is all about lying. There's never any truth with you people. I mean I don't think that's probably far off, but who cares? I don't think a woman should be forced to ruin her life by having a kid even if its the product of consensual sex. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: So what? 6 minutes ago, Black Dog said: So what? You're the one that mentioned late term abortions. Cant you even keep up? Good lord. Nine states allow you to kill a baby depending on where the baby is located. You're in favor of fully formed BABIES being killed as long as they're in the right place. Your moral compass is beyond f'd up. Quote
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 23 minutes ago, Hodad said: If it's a gift, that's fine. But if it's against a person's will, then hell yes it's theft. The government forcing a woman to surrender her body for nine months to bring a baby to term against her will should be an unthinkable violation of personal sovereignty. But as a person who can't get pregnant and will never have to bear such a violation, you're not much bothered by it. How surprising. Then put a sock on it and don't get pregnant. Simple as that. Now...I think we all agree on first trimester abortion and on extreme cases. And indeed that's how most states...and through Europe...deal with it. So deal with it. 23 minutes ago, Hodad said: That's why he hasn't had his syphilis treated. He had sex and now there's a life flourishing inside him that cannot be murdered! And he's gotten crazier and crazier as it's crept into his brain. Nice try fck face. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yakuda said: You're the one that mentioned late term abortions. Cant you even keep up? Good lord. Nine states allow you to kill a baby depending on where the baby is located. You're in favor of fully formed BABIES being killed as long as they're in the right place. Your moral compass is beyond f'd up. 99 per cent of all abortions happen in the first 20 weeks, the rare cases that occur after that are almost always due to fetal abnormalities or complications that threaten the health or life of the mother. Not sure why you dopes keep harping on the issue, it's even less common than abortions following rape/incest. Edited October 3, 2024 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 24 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Well that's just stupid. We don't talk of consciousness in those terms as it applies to human beings. Who's "we"? "Life is a quality that distinguishes matter that has biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from matter that does not. It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 3, 2024 Author Report Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I mean I don't think that's probably far off, but who cares? I don't think a woman should be forced to ruin her life by having a kid even if its the product of consensual sex. Actual Fact: In 2021, the highest percentage of abortions were performed by early medication abortion at ≤9 weeks’ gestation (53.0%), followed by surgical abortion at ≤13 weeks’ gestation (37.6%), surgical abortion at >13 weeks’ gestation (6.4%), and medication abortion at >9 weeks’ gestation (3.0%); all other methods were uncommon (<0.1%). IOW, 90.6% of ALL abortions in the USA occur within the first 13 weeks. Source: CDC, and 93% occur within the first trimester. States where abortion is more restricted have fewer maternal health care providers and higher rates of both maternal and infant deaths than states where abortion is available. SO LET'S CUT THE BULLSH1T: States that ban abortion DO NOT CARE ABOUT INFANT LIVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE STATES WHERE THE MOST BABIES DIE. In the only US survey concerning why women had abortions, 25% of respondents said they had an abortion because of concerns for their health or the unborn's health. This can include reasons such as severe pre-enclampsia, ectopic pregnancy, and uterine ruptures. Edited October 3, 2024 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 Just now, Nationalist said: Who's "we"? "Life is a quality that distinguishes matter that has biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from matter that does not. It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life The state of "being alive" and the state of "consciousness" as we understand humans to possess it are two different things. It's not just existing and responding to stimuli like any amoeba, it's processing the world at a high level, creating and retaining memories, the ability to interpret complex information, form thoughts etc etc. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Yakuda Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: 99 per cent of all abortions happen in the first 20 weeks, the rare cases that occur after that are almost always due to fetal abnormalities or complications that threaten the health or life of the mother. Not sure why you dopes keep harping on the issue, it's even less common than abortions following rape/incest. For convenience. Rare cases are just that rare but in nine states a woman can have an abortion, for no other reason than she wants one, the day she is going to deliver and long as the fully formed BABY is inside her. No wonder you can't figure out why people harp on it. Killing babies is upsetting to decent people. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 Just now, Yakuda said: For convenience. Rare cases are just that rare but in nine states a woman can have an abortion, for no other reason than she wants one, the day she is going to deliver and long as the fully formed BABY is inside her. No wonder you can't figure out why people harp on it. Killing babies is upsetting to decent people. But nobody actually does that and no doctor will perform that procedure, dumbass. You might as well get mad that there's no laws preventing people from growing wings and flying to the f*cking moon. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Nationalist Posted October 3, 2024 Report Posted October 3, 2024 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: The state of "being alive" and the state of "consciousness" as we understand humans to possess it are two different things. It's not just existing and responding to stimuli like any amoeba, it's processing the world at a high level, creating and retaining memories, the ability to interpret complex information, form thoughts etc etc. No...it's not. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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