The Leftard Cultist Talking Point of the Century

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course there was an economic impact of covid, stupid. The whole point of this thread was to draw attention to one of the left's biggest false narratives around that fact.

You guys like to pretend that there was no reason for those job losses, or that Trump could have done something better to mitigate the economic and human cost of covid. 

FYI the path to proving that would sound something like: "Dem politicians and medical experts had better ideas and plans but Trump did all the wrong things, which caused huge problems", but the fact is that back when Fauci was saying "There's probably no H2H transmission", and Dems were saying things like "Ride the subway and eat in restaurants like normal" (DeBlasio) and "Hang out in huge crowds and hug strangers" (Pelosi), Trump was blocking non-Americans from flying into the country from China. IE, he was treating covid like it was the highly transmissible pathogen which you leftists later realized was correct. You guys even pretended that was racist, because you're farking children with keyboards.

Biden did nothing but end covid restrictions. When people were allowed to open their businesses, they opened their businesses.

Leftards: "OOOOOOH, DAT'S BRILLYUNT!"

I know that you're not as economically unintelligent as you're pretending to be, you're just lying because the truth is too damaging to Demonrats.

Trump could have done dozens of things better, starting with not running huge elective deficits during a strong economy, modeling and advocating responsible vax and mask use, not deliberately lying to America about COVID being no big deal when he knew otherwise, not pretending that it would magically disappear by Easter, not gassing up unapproved alternative medicines etc.

What America needed was a smart POTUS who would tell people the truth, STFU when medical experts are talking and then proselytize and model the prescribed response.

Instead Trump did the opposite of all of that. He actively misled the public, he actively undermined masking protocol, he didn't promote vaccine use, he held very public superspreader events that even sickened and killed his political allies. 

And he did all of that because he discovered that the deplorables he depended on didn't like the truth about COVID or any of the steps they should have been following. As always, he put political expedience over doing the right thing for the people. He could have been a leader, brought the country together and cemented his reelection. Instead he was a follower, and he followed the ignorant yokels instead of the medical community. 

The "Biden economy" is as defined by the pandemic as much as the Obama economy was defined by the Great Recession. Republicans hand Democrats dumpster-fire economies in extreme crisis--and then spend the next 4 years bltching about the challenges of recovery as if Obama or Biden were responsible for those difficulties. 

If you want to oversimplify what happens economically to assign blame to whoever is sitting the Oval Office in a given circumstance, that's silly. But at least farking be consistent. You want to give Trump a free pass on his last year while blaming the shit out of Biden for the pains of recovery. 

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You think and write like a caveman and call other people stupid? Man you need to evolve some self-awareness already.

Ya well...at least I'm not stupid or a candidate for investigation of sex offenses.

[Black Dog]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya well...at least I'm not stupid or a candidate for investigation of sex offenses.

No you're definitely stupid and I wouldn't be surprised about the other thing.

[Matthew]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

at least I'm not stupid

You're setting the bar kinda high for yourself there.

[Nationalist]

34 minutes ago, Matthew said:

You're setting the bar kinda high for yourself there.

Says the peanut gallery...

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course, but such an accusation has to be realistic and fully supported by facts and logic.

For example, there were multiple instances of prominent Demi supporters openly talking about killing Trump, blowing up the WH, posting pictures of themselves on social media with an effigy of Trump's severed head, and even a broadway play specifically showing Trump being killed.

Then in response to those vulgar and violent messages, the alt-left leaders like Biden and Kamala, along with their MSM lackeys like CNN and ABC, said that they were all acceptable jokes.

So at this point there was already an overabundance of extremely violent calls to action, then the president himself and his CNN/ABC minions lied and created false narratives about Trump being "a Nazi", a fascist, a bigot, a racist, 'an existential threat', and 'a threat to democracy' to create dire necessity supporting those calls to violent action. 

 

I know that you're just dying to say that 1 comment like "march peacefully and patriotically" was enough to spark an entire insurrection right on the spot, even though Trump tweeted 3 times for the rioters to 'respect law enforcement, be peaceful, go home" in just 3 hours. So what you're about to say is just a huge friggin' joke.

FYI there isn't even the slightest parallel between Trump's lone comment and the culmination of all the various forms of violent calls to action, overt and tacit support of those calls to violent action from the highest levels of the DNC elite, and then providing a false necessity for those calls to action to manifest into actual assassination attempts. In order to be even close:

1. the message of "let's overthrow the gov't" would have to be unambiguous and direct, like the Dems' calls for violence were, and it couldn't include mixed messages like "peacefully and patriotically"... Kathy Griffin didn't say "peacefully" kill Trump. 
2. the message would have to be repeated several different times, on several different occasions, like the Dems' violent calls to action were. 
3. the messages would have to receive widespread support from GOP politicians and media outlets who are supportive of Trump, like Fox News, etc. 
4. the message that the Dems were intent on ending democracy would have to be a mainstay of Fox et al. 

None of those things are true about Jan 6th. There was just one comment by Trump, which was clearly not a call to overthrow the gov't, plus there was two months worth of very reasonable questioning what was by far the most questionable election in the history of American politics. 

the Dems spent 4 years pretending that the 2016 election was bogus, then they suddenly freaked out about Trump questioning the 2020 election for 2 months...

I didn’t read all of that, because I stopped at the part where you lied and said that Biden, Harris and television networks said that talking of killing Trump was just “humor.”  Because that claim is false. So why should I read the rest of your post once you start lying?

I get that in his very long, violence-inciting speech, Trump one time said, “peacefully and patriotically,” but I don’t find those two words in his speech to be exonerating.  Besides Donald Trump, who told you that the election was “stolen”? Nobody!  The Republican leaders of the US Senate accepted that Trump lost. Mike Pence accepted that he’d lost. Trump’s Attorney General accepted these results.The Republican leaders in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania accepted the results. These were all hard-core Trump supporters. This whole “stop the steal” nonsense came out of Trump’s head, and his supporters were a handful of wackos like Sydney Powell, Mike Lindell and Rudy Giuliani.  Trump made up this lie, he still has no evidence of it, and he called that protest and he incited that riot. That riot wouldn’ t have happened if Trump hadn’t organized it (nobody else did!) and when he spoke, he told them that if they didn’t stop the steal, they wouldn’t have a country. Low and behold…. They did not stop the “steal,” yet, America’s still here!  

Edited September 24, 2024 by Rebound

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

The fact that he had to explain is more telling of your unwillingness to live in reality than it is anything he did. You lied.

Trump told two stories; one to appease the NAZIS and another to save his butt politically.

One or BOTH of those stories was a LIE, and you MAGA CULT just eat up his BULLSHIT.

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I guess if your reality believes that is what is going on, there is not much else I can say. When you are red to take the red pill, let me know.

You're ASSumption that Trump is honest just reveals YOUR NAIVETE.

Everytime he doubletalks, HE'S LYING.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ur in the same league of stupid as robo-dweeb. Go peddle ur lies to someone else.

You're in the same league of detached from reality as WCM.

Both of you believe Trump's LIES when there's NO EVIDENCE to support what he says, and he contradicts himself with DOUBLETALK.

And you drink too much. LMAO

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The leftard cultists spend half their time telling lies about Trump to incite violence against him, then they try to pretend that the assassination attempts have nothing to do with the leftard cultist screed.

And you ham handedly try and fail to defend Trump's LIES because you've been CONNED by the MAGA CONMAN.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You think and write like a caveman and call other people stupid? Man you need to evolve some self-awareness already.

Impossible to be self-aware when he suffers from extreme cognitive dissonance.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Trump could have done dozens of things better, starting with not running huge elective deficits during a strong economy, modeling and advocating responsible vax and mask use, not deliberately lying to America about COVID being no big deal when he knew otherwise, not pretending that it would magically disappear by Easter, not gassing up unapproved alternative medicines etc.

What America needed was a smart POTUS who would tell people the truth, STFU when medical experts are talking and then proselytize and model the prescribed response.

Instead Trump did the opposite of all of that. He actively misled the public, he actively undermined masking protocol, he didn't promote vaccine use, he held very public superspreader events that even sickened and killed his political allies. 

And he did all of that because he discovered that the deplorables he depended on didn't like the truth about COVID or any of the steps they should have been following. As always, he put political expedience over doing the right thing for the people. He could have been a leader, brought the country together and cemented his reelection. Instead he was a follower, and he followed the ignorant yokels instead of the medical community. 

The "Biden economy" is as defined by the pandemic as much as the Obama economy was defined by the Great Recession. Republicans hand Democrats dumpster-fire economies in extreme crisis--and then spend the next 4 years bltching about the challenges of recovery as if Obama or Biden were responsible for those difficulties. 

If you want to oversimplify what happens economically to assign blame to whoever is sitting the Oval Office in a given circumstance, that's silly. But at least farking be consistent. You want to give Trump a free pass on his last year while blaming the shit out of Biden for the pains of recovery. 

You left out Trump's TWO biggest superspreader events:

1. The travel "ban" from China during which he let 40,000 citizens fly back to the US with NO mask requirements, testing, tracking nor quarantine.

2. The travel ban from Europe which was announced without planning and led to thousands of people rushing to the very crowded airports in a panic without masks, as well as the spreader practices listed in #1. 

Of course, we don't know how many cases of COVID those caused cause NO ONE kept track of the travelers. 🤮

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ya well...at least I'm not stupid or a candidate for investigation of sex offenses.

But you're stupid enough to defend the guy who was convicted of sex offenses.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Again: he may have been recalling his previous comments regarding Pelosi, but the context of his recent speech was he was talking about the murder of Laken Riley whose death had nothing to do with the MS13 boogeyman.

MS13 isn't a bogeyman, dummy. Holy ol' f-face are you stupid.

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It is quite funny that if a Democrat says something like "Trump must be stopped" you fill your drawers and pretend it's incitement but Trump repeatedly and enthusiastically talks about migrants as animals, criminals, rapists and insane people

Of course they're not all from those categories, but he's not lying when he says that other countries are helping their worst citizens get to America.

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who are polluting the bloodline of America

OMG THEY'RE STEALING YOUR JOB NOW!

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I didn’t read all of that, because I stopped at the part where you lied and said that Biden, Harris and television networks said that talking of killing Trump was just “humor.”  Because that claim is false. So why should I read the rest of your post once you start lying?

I get that in his very long, violence-inciting speech, Trump one time said, “peacefully and patriotically,” but I don’t find those two words in his speech to be exonerating.  Besides Donald Trump, who told you that the election was “stolen”? Nobody!  The Republican leaders of the US Senate accepted that Trump lost. Mike Pence accepted that he’d lost. Trump’s Attorney General accepted these results.The Republican leaders in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania accepted the results. These were all hard-core Trump supporters. This whole “stop the steal” nonsense came out of Trump’s head, and his supporters were a handful of wackos like Sydney Powell, Mike Lindell and Rudy Giuliani.  Trump made up this lie, he still has no evidence of it, and he called that protest and he incited that riot. That riot wouldn’ t have happened if Trump hadn’t organized it (nobody else did!) and when he spoke, he told them that if they didn’t stop the steal, they wouldn’t have a country. Low and behold…. They did not stop the “steal,” yet, America’s still here!  

And then he finally admitted that he LOST "by a whisker." LMAO

[gatomontes99]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump told two stories; one to appease the NAZIS and another to save his butt politically.

One or BOTH of those stories was a LIE, and you MAGA CULT just eat up his BULLSHIT.

You're ASSumption that Trump is honest just reveals YOUR NAIVETE.

Everytime he doubletalks, HE'S LYING.

So, what you are saying is that it doesn't matter what he said because you believe (without evidence) that he really meant what your fantasy world says he meant?

[WestCanMan]

50 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I didn’t read all of that, because I stopped at the part where you lied and said that Biden, Harris and television networks said that talking of killing Trump was just “humor.”  

They didn't say that they personally found it funny, they said that it was protected by free speech and that it was an attempt at humour. 

They said that every time anyone talked about assassinating Trump.

You're here now feigning indignation about it, but when it was happening, leftists here were NOT condemning her for her vile behaviour.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/entertainment/kathy-griffin-trump/index.html

Here's Kathy Griffin's "woe is me" story on CNN. She's a victim, dammit!

Can you find CNN's article condemning her act? Honestly, I put "CNN" in my search query and that was the first thing that came up, and it was on P2.

They fired her from their New Year's Eve show, but their statement just looks like this:

• After posing in a gruesome anti-Trump photo, Kathy Griffin will not return as co-host of CNN's annual New Year's Eve program, the network announced.

CNN again:

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Madonna: ‘Blowing up White House’ taken out of context

 Funny, this is CNN's own commentary at the start of that article:

CNN — 

Madonna was just trying to express herself at the Women’s March on Saturday.

But the superstar singer stirred controversy with some of her more passionate remarks at the Washington, D.C. event.

That’s because in addition to dropping a few “F-bombs,” she also indicated just how upset the election results had made her.

“Yes, I’m angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House,” Madonna said. “But I know that this won’t change anything. We cannot fall into despair.”

 

Oh, I get it. She was upset, and she's passionate, so she just talked about blowing up the WH on TV, like any normal person would.  

WTF????????

Go to hell Rebound you f'ing loser. I can't even communicate with you right now, you make me sick. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Impossible to be self-aware when he suffers from extreme cognitive dissonance.

I love it when you try to use big words, dunce.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

They didn't say that they personally found it funny, they said that it was protected by free speech and that it was an attempt at humour. 

They said that every time anyone talked about assassinating Trump.

You're here now feigning indignation about it, but when it was happening, leftists here were NOT condemning her for her vile behaviour.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/entertainment/kathy-griffin-trump/index.html

Here's Kathy Griffin's "woe is me" story on CNN. She's a victim, dammit!

Can you find CNN's article condemning her act? Honestly, I put "CNN" in my search query and that was the first thing that came up, and it was on P2.

They fired her from their New Year's Eve show, but their statement just looks like this:

• After posing in a gruesome anti-Trump photo, Kathy Griffin will not return as co-host of CNN's annual New Year's Eve program, the network announced.

CNN again:

 Funny, this is CNN's own commentary at the start of that article:

CNN — 

Madonna was just trying to express herself at the Women’s March on Saturday.

But the superstar singer stirred controversy with some of her more passionate remarks at the Washington, D.C. event.

That’s because in addition to dropping a few “F-bombs,” she also indicated just how upset the election results had made her.

“Yes, I’m angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House,” Madonna said. “But I know that this won’t change anything. We cannot fall into despair.”

 

Oh, I get it. She was upset, and she's passionate, so she just talked about blowing up the WH on TV, like any normal person would.  

WTF????????

Go to hell Rebound you f'ing loser. I can't even communicate with you right now, you make me sick. 

Didn’t she then say, “But I know this won’t change anything.”?

So, to be clear, she was not encouraging anyone to commit an act of violence, she was telling people that violence won’t work.  

Edited September 24, 2024 by Rebound

[impartialobserver]

Folks spin topics all the time. Half-truths, omissions, etc are simply part of the political arena. Now was the economy starting to slacken in the months before Covid? yes. Had covid not occurred ,the unemployment rate probably creeps up a bit in the first half of 2020 to something close to 5%. The jobs number probably while positive sees month to month growth of .05% (+50k jobs). This probably gets Trump re-elected. 

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Folks spin topics all the time. Half-truths, omissions, etc are simply part of the political arena. Now was the economy starting to slacken in the months before Covid? yes. Had covid not occurred ,the unemployment rate probably creeps up a bit in the first half of 2020 to something close to 5%. The jobs number probably while positive sees month to month growth of .05% (+50k jobs). This probably gets Trump re-elected. 

But what did happen was Covid, and what did happen was that Trump managed the pandemic very poorly, engaging in all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories, eschewing effective public health policies, proposing pseudoscientific treatments and spending trillions of dollars more than any President in history.  

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Didn’t she then say, “But I know this won’t change anything.”?

So, to be clear, she was not encouraging anyone to commit an act of violence, she was telling people that violence won’t work.  

Yes she did. So?

She just communicated her desire to see Trump killed to millions of people. Saying "It won't change anything" doesn't mean "Just kidding, I don't want to see his brains and guts all over the wall."

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, Rebound said:

But what did happen was Covid, and what did happen was that Trump managed the pandemic very poorly, engaging in all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories, eschewing effective public health policies, proposing pseudoscientific treatments and spending trillions of dollars more than any President in history.  

I am not convinced that much changes if we have someone else in office. Most of the policies that really affected folks were done at the state level. Yes, there was the $300 federal unemployment bonus but the states ended paying that back. Before you blast away ( and I know that your diehard partisan bias keeps you from being rational).. I do not like Trump one bit. Was his verbal diarrhea counterproductive when the Covid pandemic first came about? Yes. 

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

MS13 isn't a bogeyman, dummy. Holy ol' f-face are you stupid.

Of course they're not all from those categories, but he's not lying when he says that other countries are helping their worst citizens get to America.

OMG THEY'RE STEALING YOUR JOB NOW!

What evidence do you have that foreign nations are helping criminals and others to leave their country?

[Hodad]

13 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I am not convinced that much changes if we have someone else in office. Most of the policies that really affected folks were done at the state level. Yes, there was the $300 federal unemployment bonus but the states ended paying that back. Before you blast away ( and I know that your diehard partisan bias keeps you from being rational).. I do not like Trump one bit. Was his verbal diarrhea counterproductive when the Covid pandemic first came about? Yes. 

In terms of the live economy, I think you're right that it's not much different. In terms of deficit and debt, we would have been significantly better off without his elective deficits. (He could have been on track to balance the budget when COVID struck.) 

We could have been a bit better off economically if people had been rallied to participate in stemming the spread. But mainly I think the damage was social. Sending mixed messages (at best) and actively undermining medical advice cost us a lot of lives and money, but it also left long term scars of a completely unnecessary "us vs them." Instead of rallying the nation together like a leader should do in times of war or crisis, he politicized the hell out of COVID to unnecessarily divide us. He made a selfish calculus, and he miscalculated. And it cost him both his second term and a potential legacy.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

In terms of the live economy, I think you're right that it's not much different. In terms of deficit and debt, we would have been significantly better off without his elective deficits. (He could have been on track to balance the budget when COVID struck.) 

We could have been a bit better off economically if people had been rallied to participate in stemming the spread. But mainly I think the damage was social. Sending mixed messages (at best) and actively undermining medical advice cost us a lot of lives and money, but it also left long term scars of a completely unnecessary "us vs them." Instead of rallying the nation together like a leader should do in times of war or crisis, he politicized the hell out of COVID to unnecessarily divide us. He made a selfish calculus, and he miscalculated. And it cost him both his second term and a potential legacy.

Trump handed you your holy vaccine, you lyin' little sop. Once again proving Trump delivered results.

Brandon and Kamala delivered death, destruction and 20 million illegals.

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Trump handed you your holy vaccine, you lyin' little sop. Once again proving Trump delivered results.

Brandon and Kamala delivered death, destruction and 20 million illegals.

A. No he didn't. The first vaccine available in the US was from Pfizer, which didn't receive any Warp Speed funding. 

B. He then undermined the vaccination effort at every turn as he learned that his stupid MAGA base was heavily anti-vax. Instead of getting vaccinated on TV like a leader, he did it privately--and when he finally acknowledged it his MAGA crowd booed him. 🙄 And that was basically it. Same MO for masking.

That's basically the way the whole thing went. Instead of being a leader and vocal advocate for medical best practices, he followed the ignorant mob whose adulation he craves.

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

A. No he didn't. The first vaccine available in the US was from Pfizer, which didn't receive any Warp Speed funding. 

B. He then undermined the vaccination effort at every turn as he learned that his stupid MAGA base was heavily anti-vax. Instead of getting vaccinated on TV like a leader, he did it privately--and when he finally acknowledged it his MAGA crowd booed him. 🙄 And that was basically it. Same MO for masking.

That's basically the way the whole thing went. Instead of being a leader and vocal advocate for medical best practices, he followed the ignorant mob whose adulation he craves.

Nice fantasy. Did robo-dweeb teach you this crap? Or did you go straight to Donna LeMon for it?

As it turns out...and as it generally does...masks are unhealthy...kids and young people had little to no reason to be concerned for their lives...closing schools was a bad idea...closing offices and smaller businesses has produced very poor and destructive results...and on and on and on...

Isn't it interesting that so many who still think for themselves, are proven over and over, to have been right all along?

Oh BTW...

"While Operation Warp Speed provided research and development money to several pharmaceutical firms, including Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, and AstraZeneca, Pfizer accepted government funds to supply and distribute their shot, not develop it."

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role-operation-warp-speed-misconstrued-online

Liar or twit...which are you?

Both.