Donnie appears to soften position on abortion tossing pro life evangelicals under the bus

[West]

 

In a Truth Social post hints at moving to woketown on abortion rights

Edited August 23, 2024 by West

[Deluge]

If he gets with the Clintons "safe, legal, and rare" approach that won't be catastrophic, as at least it could solve the incest and legitimate rape problems. 

It'll still be wrong, though, even though abortion won't be as frequent.  

Edited August 23, 2024 by Deluge

[Rebound]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

If he gets with the Clintons "safe, legal, and rare" approach that won't be catastrophic, as at least it could solve the incest and legitimate rape problems. 

It'll still be wrong, though, even though abortion won't be as frequent.  

He’s taken credit for ending Roe v Wade, which he claims “everybody wanted.”   Only a fool would believe that man will make abortion legal. 

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

He’s taken credit for ending Roe v Wade, which he claims “everybody wanted.”   Only a fool would believe that man will make abortion legal. 

We all wanted it. I'm just saying that if he caves a little, it won't be as bad as completely caving in. 

 

[West]

18 minutes ago, Rebound said:

He’s taken credit for ending Roe v Wade, which he claims “everybody wanted.”   Only a fool would believe that man will make abortion legal. 

Abortion, like education, isn't a national issue. It should be decided at a local level. So I can get with Donnie on that. 

[Five of swords]

47 minutes ago, West said:

 

In a Truth Social post hints at moving to woketown on abortion rights

Why would anyone care about evangelicals? Just take their stuff and then ask them to forgive you

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, West said:

 

In a Truth Social post hints at moving to woketown on abortion rights

I feel like you're reading a lot into one line. I think trump genuinely believes that leaving the matter to the states instead of the feds is actually great for women's rights and that is an arguably true point. I would suspect that what he means is he doesn't intend to pass any federal laws that would hamper the right of states to make the final decisions and women will have the right to make those decisions within their states. And the general great for women line I'm sure he believes as well

[West]

15 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Why would anyone care about evangelicals? Just take their stuff and then ask them to forgive you

30% of the voting block in the US

[West]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I feel like you're reading a lot into one line. I think trump genuinely believes that leaving the matter to the states instead of the feds is actually great for women's rights and that is an arguably true point. I would suspect that what he means is he doesn't intend to pass any federal laws that would hamper the right of states to make the final decisions and women will have the right to make those decisions within their states. And the general great for women line I'm sure he believes as well

He's unfortunately running to the left after nominating supreme court justices to promote life. 

Personally I in good conscious cannot support that.

I view this issue much the same as any other issue. I may support very narrow terms of abortion as a last resort ie death. Kinda like chopping off your arm, doctors shouldn't just chop off an arm unless it's going to cause significant issues for the body. 

Least harm used to be a matter of principal now it's seen as "extreme". Crazy time to be alive

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, West said:

He's unfortunately running to the left after nominating supreme court justices to promote life. 

Personally I in good conscious cannot support that.

I view this issue much the same as any other issue. I may support very narrow terms of abortion as a last resort ie death. Kinda like chopping off your arm, doctors shouldn't just chop off an arm unless it's going to cause significant issues for the body. 

Least harm used to be a matter of principal now it's seen as "extreme". Crazy time to be alive

But you're Canadian though right? I mean this is largely theoretical for us.

However looking at it from an American's point of view you would still have the opportunity to fight that fight in the state in which you lived. So voting for trump on the issue would still be a 1 million percent better option than the democrats who would like to federally remove any restrictions on abortion.

It is often said that the goal of the justice system is to make both parties go away equally unhappy. To a degree the same is true of democracy. You will rarely get perfection on any issue that you feel strongly about. So you have to work to get as close as you can and then make wise decisions to get as much as you can.

Trump would still be the best choice for someone who cared about limiting abortions as much as possible.

[Five of swords]

48 minutes ago, West said:

30% of the voting block in the US

They vote for who they are told to vote for, and it doesn't matter who the politicians are. They just pass the bills they are told to pass. They don't even read them, lol.

[West]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But you're Canadian though right? I mean this is largely theoretical for us.

However looking at it from an American's point of view you would still have the opportunity to fight that fight in the state in which you lived. So voting for trump on the issue would still be a 1 million percent better option than the democrats who would like to federally remove any restrictions on abortion.

It is often said that the goal of the justice system is to make both parties go away equally unhappy. To a degree the same is true of democracy. You will rarely get perfection on any issue that you feel strongly about. So you have to work to get as close as you can and then make wise decisions to get as much as you can.

Trump would still be the best choice for someone who cared about limiting abortions as much as possible.

In reading some of the stuff now like putting Kennedy in charge of a health task force to determine infertility rates etc, perhaps he's talking about ending the crap being pumped into our foods which may be a root cause and attack on women's reproductive rights? 

[Rebound]

22 hours ago, Deluge said:

We all wanted it. I'm just saying that if he caves a little, it won't be as bad as completely caving in. 

 

No, “we” did not all want Roe v Wade overturned. Why would Trump want Roe v Wade overturned if he wanted to legalize abortion? 

Edited August 24, 2024 by Rebound

[ExFlyer]

What Trump says...if he can get it out, is different every time he speaks.

He single handily has started a new profession....Fact Checkers LOL. 

And he sure keeps them busy LOL

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, West said:

In reading some of the stuff now like putting Kennedy in charge of a health task force to determine infertility rates etc, perhaps he's talking about ending the crap being pumped into our foods which may be a root cause and attack on women's reproductive rights? 

Maybe.  The ways of the Trump are often ineffable and mysterious, i swear to Covfefe sometimes i just don't know what he's thinking  

But it's possible he just meant that over all in broader strokes all things considered including income, families, economy, etc women will be better off under his term than kamalakaze harris. 

[robosmith]

23 hours ago, West said:

 

In a Truth Social post hints at moving to woketown on abortion rights

^Still hasn't learned to not trust Trump's DOUBLE TALK. He ONLY says what he needs to say to get elected.

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Still hasn't learned to not trust Trump's DOUBLE TALK. He ONLY says what he needs to say to get elected.

You spelled Harris incorrectly.

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

^Still hasn't learned to not trust Trump's DOUBLE TALK. He ONLY says what he needs to say to get elected.

1 in 36 have autism.. used to be 1 in 1500

9% of women have fertility issues... 11% of men

41.6% of Americans are morbidly obese. 

Whatever the experts have put together for a Healthcare plan doesn't seem to be working 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/23/2024 at 11:51 AM, Rebound said:

He’s taken credit for ending Roe v Wade, which he claims “everybody wanted.”   Only a fool would believe that man will make abortion legal. 

Trump's goal was never to "make abortion legal or illegal": he never had anyone in the GOP draft a bill to weigh in on reproductive rights in congress.

Roe vs Wade was just an improper ruling because the topic of abortion isn't even mentioned in the US Constitution, so it was overturned at the SC. Now individual states have the ability to pass their own legislation regarding abortion. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

1 in 36 have autism.. used to be 1 in 1500

9% of women have fertility issues... 11% of men

41.6% of Americans are morbidly obese. 

Whatever the experts have put together for a Healthcare plan doesn't seem to be working 

Did you get confused and believe ^this has something to do with trusting Trump on his latest lies about abortion?

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump's goal was never to "make abortion legal or illegal": he never had anyone in the GOP draft a bill to weigh in on reproductive rights in congress.

Roe vs Wade was just an improper ruling because the topic of abortion isn't even mentioned in the US Constitution, so it was overturned at the SC. Now individual states have the ability to pass their own legislation regarding abortion. 

Take it up with the Republican majority SCOTUS who found the right to privacy in the 4th amendment.

IOW, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Matthew]

He doesn't have any beliefs.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Legato said:

You spelled Harris incorrectly.

Your fantasies have warped your vision.

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

No, “we” did not all want Roe v Wade overturned. Why would Trump want Roe v Wade overturned if he wanted to legalize abortion? 

When I say "we all" I clearly don't mean people like you - that should go without saying. 

WE, as in normal, patriotic Americans, don't want you godless degenerates legalizing fetal slaughter. If you want to secretely kill them or slither down to Mexico to get it done, then so be it - it's your souls on the line, not ours. 

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Did you get confused and believe ^this has something to do with trusting Trump on his latest lies about abortion?

Take it up with the Republican majority SCOTUS who found the right to privacy in the 4th amendment.

IOW, you don't know what you're talking about.

It has to do with Trump's position on women's reproductive rights... duh.

28 minutes ago, Deluge said:

When I say "we all" I clearly don't mean people like you - that should go without saying. 

WE, as in normal, patriotic Americans, don't want you godless degenerates legalizing fetal slaughter. If you want to secretely kill them or slither down to Mexico to get it done, then so be it - it's your souls on the line, not ours. 

Not only legalizing baby slaughter but sterilizing people with their products. 

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, West said:

It has to do with Trump's position on women's reproductive rights... duh.

No, it DOESN'T.