User Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 18 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I did, dipshit, that's how I know you're lying. All your holier-than-thou posturing undone by your genital obsession. Sad! I am glad to know you think my posting is holier than yours. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Black Dog Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 5 minutes ago, User said: I am glad to know you think my posting is holier than yours. I knew you were stupid, but I didn't think you were so stupid as to think that idiom was complimentary, I've been giving you way too much credit this whole time. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
User Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 8 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I knew you were stupid, but I didn't think you were so stupid as to think that idiom was complimentary, I've been giving you way too much credit this whole time. I am not the one confused as to what a woman is here... you are. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
CdnFox Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 4 hours ago, Black Dog said: You're almost there. If you're referring to being close to your mental state then no, i still haven't pushed the crayon up my nose that would be required The presence of a naturally occurring penis is in fact evidence of the person being male and having the xy chromosome. It's a little pathetic this needs to be explained to you Quote You didn't answer the question. B!tch. How does putting tampons in a boys bathroom infringe anyone's rights? What the hell has that got to do with anything? I gave several examples of rights being infringed. If you're going to just ask random questions then explain to me how much wood a woodchuck'd chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? So if we're asking questions here's a REAL one for you - why would we as a society accept one group of individuals demands to elevate their rights above the rights of others? and again - pretty obvious that you know i'm right when you suddenly break down in tears and start calling people 'b!tch like that This is how it always is with you - you take a completely ridiculous position and when you can't defend them you attempt to distract and refuse to address the issue. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 (edited) Quote f you're referring to being close to your mental state then no, i still haven't pushed the crayon up my nose that would be required The presence of a naturally occurring penis is in fact evidence of the person being male and having the xy chromosome. It's a little pathetic this needs to be explained to you Ah I had high hopes for you little guy, now I'm just disappointed like your parents. If physical attributes are how you determine someones sex and those attributes can be altered to the point that they no longer indicate someone's biological sex, then it's not a given that someone with a penis or vagina is genetically male or female now is it? Quote What the hell has that got to do with anything? I gave several examples of rights being infringed. If you're going to just ask random questions then explain to me how much wood a woodchuck'd chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? You brought up tampons as an example of infringement of rights, you shithead. Did you already forget? 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: But. That's not good enough apperently. What their lobbyists want is to take the rights of others. ...They want the public to pay their tax money to give them 'tampons' so they can feel like they're real women. god knows where they stick them. And they want children to be forced not just to accept them but to 'celebrate' them and swear that it's a great thing even if their beliefs say otherwise. Quote So if we're asking questions here's a REAL one for you - why would we as a society accept one group of individuals demands to elevate their rights above the rights of others? This isn't a real question as it misrepresents the demands of the group of individuals to which you are referring. No trans person would say they want to take anyone else's away, they would frame it as wanting the same rights as others with the same gender identity. Edited August 16 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CdnFox Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 5 hours ago, Black Dog said: Actually it was Nationalist, but User was the one who was desperate for all the details. Can't keep your story straight for even a few posts can you Quote I mean I wouldn't couch it in those terms but it's an undeniable fact that you were the first person to bring them up. nope, i just answered your question, and once again you're bringing it up and talking about it. You just can't go a thread without talking about men's balls or butts or poop. Here: I asked a girl who's gay and she said this might help you: 10 tips on how to come out as LGBT to family and friends | Family | The Guardian 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Can't keep your story straight for even a few posts can you You can't even remember what you posted a couple hours ago. Because you're retarded. Quote nope, i just answered your question, and once again you're bringing it up and talking about it. What was your answer exactly. Edited August 16 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
Matthew Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 (edited) 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: If i am interacting with a "Man" who prefers to present and consider themselves a 'woman" i'm refering to them as a women when speaking to them or about them. Why not? This is a good point. I think this is 99% of what the transgender people want from their community. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: That's not good enough apperently. What their lobbyists want is to take the rights of others. They want men to be able to beat up women and pretend that they werne't men to begin with. They want small female children to have their penises in their face in public showers. They want the public to pay their tax money to give them 'tampons' so they can feel like they're real women. god knows where they stick them. And they want children to be forced not just to accept them but to 'celebrate' them and swear that it's a great thing even if their beliefs say otherwise. I think a lot of this is a off the rails and unreasonable I do agree that LGBT interest groups assert undue power and engage in corrupt practices these days. For example they have recently faced increased criticism from the left for how they accept money and dole out their blessings to corporations and such. But what actual RIGHTS are you claiming are being threatened by these interest groups? 1. Women's hard fought ability to have their own sports? I can accept this. Since the sports are sex-based, I see no problem with rules on what biological sex one has to be to participate. 2. Penises in their face in the shower? I dont think this is a real issue. There is very wide agreement in schools about making appropriate accommodations for transgender students when changing. 3. As far as tampons, people with a uterus need one from time to time. There is very wide republican and democrat support for making this kind of thing available for kids who need them in school. Hard to learn if you're leaking blood. Not a controversial thing nor taking anyone's rights. 4. I've never heard of anyone being forced to "celebrate" gay or transgender stuff and worst case scenario you're in art class or English class and your being exposed to a book with a gay character or something else you object to, a student or parent can easily explain and ask for an alternate assignment. Edited August 16 by Matthew 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 49 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Ah I had high hopes for you little guy, now I'm just disappointed like your parents. If physical attributes are how you determine someones sex and those attributes can be altered to the point that they no longer indicate someone's biological sex, then it's not a given that someone with a penis or vagina is genetically male or female now is it? You brought up tampons as an example of infringement of rights, you shithead. Did you already forget? This isn't a real question as it misrepresents the demands of the group of individuals to which you are referring. No trans person would say they want to take anyone else's away, they would frame it as wanting the same rights as others with the same gender identity. "I Know i've completely lost so i'll just throw some insults and try to salvage a tiny sliver of my pride and cover my butthurt (snif! Ow!) " It must be horrible to have to live in your head all the time. And of course it was a real question, and seeing as you couldn't answer it i'll do so for you. Why should we elevate one groups rights ahead of others? The answer is - We shoudln't. ANd that's why there's blowback today. If some guy wants to be called a girl, meh - i'll probably play along with that. Hold the door and everything But when my right to free speech is impacted, others rights to religion, bio women's rights to compete in female only sports, the right of parents to know what's happening with their kids and to be able to use public facilities without having some jerks penis shoved in their little girl's face in the shower - then it's time to fight back. And in such a confrontation sooner or later the trans will be the ones to suffer for it. 1 Quote
DUI_Offender Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 2 hours ago, Reg Volk said: Timmy no balls Walz is weird. You are an interesting fellow... Quote
CdnFox Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 40 minutes ago, Matthew said: This is a good point. I think this is 99% of what the transgender people want from their community. That's believable to me. It certainly is not the first time that a small group of individuals have co-opted a larger community challenges for their own political aspirations. But at the end of the day that's what the public sees Quote I think a lot of this is a off the rails and unreasonable You are welcome then to comply with any of their wishes but you should not be asking anyone else to Quote I do agree that LGBT interest groups assert undue power and engage in corrupt practices these days. For example they have recently faced increased criticism from the left for how they accept money and dole out their blessings to corporations and such. But what actual RIGHTS are you claiming are being threatened by these interest groups? The right to free speech has been impacted. In Canada we can literally face serious charges for misgendering someone. That's not okay. Misgendering someone can be considered to be hate speech. That's not okay You may face severe consequences if you do not want your child participate in gay pride events at schools. Children have been suspended for saying something as simple as 'there are two genders'. The entire trans battle cry recently was 'There is no such thing as parent's rights". I could go on, but there you go, Quote 1. Women's hard fought ability to have their own sports? I can accept this. Since the sports are sex-based, I see no problem with rules on what biological sex one has to be to participate. Trans people do, Quote 2. Penises in their face in the shower? I dont think this is a real issue. IT's a real issue. I've posted stories about it here myself and i'm sure there's a lot more i didn't see, i wasn't exactly looking. Quote 3. As far as tampons, people with a uterus need one from time to time. There is very wide republican and democrat support for making this kind of thing available for kids who need them in school. Hard to learn if you're leaking blood. Not a controversial thing nor taking anyone's rights. it's more symbolic in that case than anything else in that specific case. Quote 4. I've never heard of anyone being forced to "celebrate" gay or transgender stuff and worst case scenario you're in art class or English class and your being exposed to a book with a gay character or something else you object to, a student or parent can easily explain and ask for an alternate assignment. I posted some of those elemetary school 'books' that were available here in bc until there was an uproar - cartoon books that explicitly showed homosexual sex acts, anal and bj's, and were avaialble to kids from grades 1-7. But, there actually is an issue with celebrating gay pride month where many schools took action against students and teachers who refused to wear pride parapheanila or participate. And nobody else gets to fly their flag for a month - imagine if the christians asked to fly a religious flag for a month or the ten commandments or the like. You've had your eyes closed if you think these aren't issues. that's why we've got thousands of children and hundreds of thousands of people participating in the million persons marches with kids actively stomping on the gay flags in the streets. That's why they're passing parental rights laws in more and more provinces and you can bet there will be more over time. It's gone too far. WAAAAAYYYY too far. Now there's a backlash. Quote
Matthew Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 (edited) 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: In Canada we can literally face serious charges for misgendering someone. That would indeed be a serious breach of free speech. How many people in Canada have been fined or jailed for misgendering someone? Edited August 16 by Matthew Quote
CdnFox Posted August 16 Report Posted August 16 2 minutes ago, Matthew said: That would indeed be a serious breach of free speech. How many people in Canada have been fined or jailed for misgendering someone? I've posted all that before. Every time this comes up it's the same question. Many have faced serious financial penalties. I'll give you one. Guy won on appeal but suffered horribly to get there and it was his own kid - he dared to call his daughter his daughter. Canadian Father Jailed After ‘Misgendering’ Daughter Lands Win In Appeal Court (dailywire.com) There have been other cases of arrest as well, and thousands of cases of financial penalties. I"m not digging them up every time someone asks becuase they hope the answer is no. But they're out there for those who care to look them up. So. Any other questions or are we about done with that? Quote
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I'll give you one. Guy won on appeal but suffered horribly to get there and it was his own kid - he dared to call his daughter his daughter. Canadian Father Jailed After ‘Misgendering’ Daughter Lands Win In Appeal Court (dailywire.com) Interesting, but not a completely accurate summary of the case. The story is about a teenager attempting suicide and wanting to transition. The doctors and mom all believed their was strong reason to urgently go through with the transition to save the kids life. Dad disagreed and tried to use the British Columbia courts as a way to stall the process. So a number of orders were issued by the court to prevent dad from aggravating the kids mental health or further stalling the treatment. He presumably was jailed due to being held in contempt of court for violating several of those orders. Here is the BC Court's brief of the findings and court orders. In other words, this isn't a case where some dad called his trans kid a girl and the government took him to court for violating the C-16 amendment. Edited August 17 by Matthew Quote
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Matthew said: Interesting, but not a completely accurate summary of the case. Bullshit. And one of many. At the end of the day many many people have paid large prices for saying something that is true, and some have even had to face the possibility or reality of jailtime. In britian right now they're locking people up left and right for their opinions. Its a real thing and it's getting worse. That tends to bleed over to our country unless you stop it. Then there's all the other issues i've mentioned. Right now we're elevating the rights of some over the rights of the others inappropriately and it's only a matter of time ill that bounces back and the pendulum swings. Quote
ironstone Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 You can't make this stuff up. The Democrats now have brought in Hillary Clinton to defend Walz on the stolen valor issue. Some of you may remember that Hillary made a claim that her plane landed under fire during a visit to Bosnia🙄 https://news.meaww.com/hillary-clinton-defends-tim-walz-against-stolen-valor-claims-as-she-praises-his-achievements When questioned about her claim, I believe she responded "You don't know man! You weren't there!" Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 15 minutes ago, ironstone said: When questioned about her claim, I believe she responded "You don't know man! You weren't there!" And that's very true. Of course she wasn't there either so i guess none of us will know Quote
herbie Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 Preferring a convicted criminal and rapist to lead the country, they dig up something someone else did about something 30 years ago to promote their case. Swift! Quote
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 36 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Bullshit Maybe you disagree with the rationale they used, but the public court document i linked shows there was a lot more going on in that case regarding concerns about the safety of a suicidal kid. 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: At the end of the day many many people have paid large prices for saying something that is true, and some have even had to face the possibility or reality of jailtime. Im with you as far as zero tolerance for people being prosecuted for having an unpopular opinion or disliked speech, so long as they aren't posing a harm to others or inciting violence. But so far the one example you've given is not entirely a free speech case. 47 minutes ago, CdnFox said: In britian right now they're locking people up left and right for their opinions. Like the rioters throwing bricks at police and such? Any example of someone just minding their own business and arrested for expressing their opinion? 55 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Then there's all the other issues i've mentioned. One thing at a time is fine. Generalized laundery lists of alleged woes is a recipe for sloppy thinking. 59 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Right now we're elevating the rights of some over the rights of the others inappropriately I agree that would be wrong. From what I've observed gay and trans stuff in general often triggers right wing people to claim their rights are somehow being violated even when its clearly not in a given situation. Like people said that all the time about gay marriage back when that was the big controversy. As if the act of getting gay married itself takes away straight peoples rights. That doesn't mean I think you're 100% wrong. But Im jusr extra skeptical having heard so many BS examples of this over the the years. Quote
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 31 minutes ago, Matthew said: Maybe you disagree with the rationale they used, but the public court document i linked shows there was a lot more going on in that case regarding concerns about the safety of a suicidal kid. End of the day, he was jailed for saying something absolutely true. And the child never tried to kill themselves for it. ANd like i said - one of many Quote Im with you as far as zero tolerance for people being prosecuted for having an unpopular opinion or disliked speech, Great, that's pretty much the end of the discussion then. But the bigger picture is the backlash. MANY feel as you and i do - and they are starting to speak back against the 'woke' crowd and rightly so. In the end history suggests that this will wind up leading to serious intolerance of trans people and their cause. As an employer, why would anyone hire a trans person? If you knew or suspected you'd find a reason to pick someone else. Why would you be friends with a trans person? One wrong word and you could be up on charges. And provinces are moving to ban treatment for kids and affirm parental rights - those people will be teaching their kids that trans folk are evil people who want to steal their rights, not that theyr'e fighting for their own. Honestly - this doesn't end well for the trans people and other lgbq who side with them will probably face some backlash as well. Quote
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 (edited) 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: End of the day, he was jailed for saying something absolutely true. Jailed for contempt of court for violating multiple parts of a court order that was issued for a legit safety reason. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: one of many Devil's in the details. There are counties with no free speech where your private unpopular statements can land you in prison. Lady in Russia this week was sentenced to over a decade in prison for donating $50 to a Ukraine charity. If you're claiming the situation is similarly oppressive in western democracies for those who misgender trans people, Im still waiting for a real example of this, or any case where someone is prosecuted for their anti lgbt opinions. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: this doesn't end well for the trans people Sure it does. As you've said, its the transgender people who will face the intense hatred and discrimination. Hardly the first time some group has been treated like shit. You know how the story will actually end, many years from now. Edited August 17 by Matthew Quote
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Matthew said: Jailed for contempt of court for violating multiple parts of a court order that was issued for a legit safety reason. Jailed for calling his daughter his daughter. Period. Dress it up as you like, that's why he went to jail. Quote Devil's in the details. Nope. Those who oppress others always have 'excuses' and 'reasons'. Hell many slave owners felt they were doing the blacks a FAVOUR. They weren't smart enough to live on their own, etc etc. The details are how dishonest people attempt to obscure the wrongness of their actions. It is wrong to put a father in jail for calling his daughter his daughter. It is wrong to permanently ban a student for saying that there are only two genders. It is wrong to say parents have no rights when it comes to their children. Those things are wrong. You might as well try to justify rape. "Ohhh well the devil's in the details you see..... " Nope. It's wrong. period. Quote Sure it does. As you've said, its the transgender people who will face the intense hatred and discrimination. Hardly the first time some group has been treated like shit. So how exactly is that ending "well" for someone? Quote You know how the story will actually end, many years from now. Yes, with the cycle repeating. They'll get back some rights and then go too far and there'll be a backlash and they'll lose it all, and when you look at the fullness of time they'll sped more time suffering than benefitting. That's kind of the definition of "badly". Some would say that breaking that cycle would make a lot of sense but if you're not one of them then fair enough. Quote
ironstone Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 10 hours ago, Matthew said: Any example of someone just minding their own business and arrested for expressing their opinion? People in the UK are being arrested for posting opinions on social media. But it appears that the heavy hand of justice seems to be applied more on one side than the other. And some still say there is no two tier justice over there. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Hodad Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, Matthew said: Jailed for contempt of court for violating multiple parts of a court order that was issued for a legit safety reason. Devil's in the details. There are counties with no free speech where your private unpopular statements can land you in prison. Lady in Russia this week was sentenced to over a decade in prison for donating $50 to a Ukraine charity. If you're claiming the situation is similarly oppressive in western democracies for those who misgender trans people, Im still waiting for a real example of this, or any case where someone is prosecuted for their anti lgbt opinions. Sure it does. As you've said, its the transgender people who will face the intense hatred and discrimination. Hardly the first time some group has been treated like shit. You know how the story will actually end, many years from now. You're pretty reasonable about this stuff, but you have to admit that there are a lot of examples of extreme government overreach when it comes to speech, even in Western democracies. In Democrat-controlled New York, for example, a tourist was arrested earlier this year just because he listened to the "wrong" kind of music. Edited August 17 by Hodad 1 Quote
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Posted August 17 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Dress it up as you like, that's why he went to jail. Violated a court order, dress it up however you like he is not accused of violating any law against misgendering people. He was not accused of a hate crime. Its not an example of the things you say are happening. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Those who oppress others always have 'excuses' and 'reasons'. Hell many slave owners felt they were doing the blacks a FAVOUR You're comparing transphobic people to slaves? That's fascinating. Lets see, both are about a powerless minority being mistreated by bigots. You're not on the side of this comparison that you think you are. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: It is wrong to permanently ban a student for saying that there are only two genders. Yes, I completely agree this is wrong if literally all they did is state that opinion. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: You might as well try to justify rape. Slippery slope fallacy. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: how exactly is that ending "well" for someone? You and others are choosing to elevate this fringe movement as the object of your constant political attacks. It will ultimately result in these gender identity concepts being more quickly normalized and accepted by society. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Yes, with the cycle repeating. They'll get back some rights and then go too far and there'll be a backlash and they'll lose it all Its not a cycle like that. As soon as conservatives normalize transgender dialogue, it will just be part of the culture. The cycle is that the same process keeps happening for hundreds of years for different ideas and groups seeking normalization and acceptance. 1 Quote
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