Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, ironstone said: People in the UK are being arrested for posting opinions on social media. I looked into the first case mentioned in the video, some bloke named Wayne O'Rourke. He was literally encouraging people to go to the streets and burn down mosques. Inciting people to violence is not protected free speech anywhere. Edited August 17 by Matthew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Matthew said: I looked into the first case mentioned in the video, some bloke named Wayne O'Rourke. He was literally encouraging people to go to the streets and burn down mosques. Inciting people to violence is not protected free speech anywhere. Where does the memo about burning down churches in Canada come from? Has anyone been arrested for that? There were 33 churches burned to the ground in Canada, 24 were confirmed as arson, and hundreds more vandalized. That's because our own federal gov't pretended that there was a mass-murder of 215 children at a rez school, and our MSM went along with it, for over a year before anyone even checked. Who has been arrested for that? 215 sounds pretty specific, right? uncovered the remains of 215 children buried at the site Uncovered? Not much room for doubt after the word "uncvered" was used. Leftards thought that holding a severed Trump head effigy was 'comedy'. Talking about killing the president and blowing up the WH was A-ok with you guys: "protected by the first amendment". We had people marching in the streets in Ottawa praising Oct 7th and chanting "from the river to the sea". Any arrests? Nah. Wayne O'Rourke is responding to people who are calling for genocide, and then rioting. He's no guiltier than any of the people in those other riots.  Edited August 17 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Wayne O'Rourke is responding to people who are calling for genocide, and then rioting. He's no guiltier than any of the people in those other riots.  Honestly I respect the straightforward admitting he is calling for violence and then trying to defend his reason for doing so versus the cowards on the right who would spend hours trying to debate some random semantics and claim this is a free speech issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 58 minutes ago, Matthew said: Violated a court order, dress it up however you like he is not accused of violating any law against misgendering Then by what power did the court make that order. Sorry kid - dress it up as you like he was jailed for misgendering. 59 minutes ago, Matthew said: You're comparing transphobic people to slaves? T This is a very common debate tactic on the left and one of the more disgusting. What you're saying is that you know i was right but you don't like it - so you'll try to create some emotional argument by twisting what i said into something i didn't say and then arguing with that. Those who repress others always have an excuse. That's what i said. If you can't make your point without dishonesty then you don't have a good point to begin with Quote  Slippery slope fallacy.  No. And stop using words that you don't understand. Slippery slope is something entirely different, that would be if i said IF you do this THEN you will have to excuse rape. IF you were going to claim any fallacy it would be reducio ad absurdum and you'd STILL be wrong. It is simply an example of your logic applied to a circumstance where you can more clearly see how ridiculous it is. 1 hour ago, Matthew said: You and others are choosing to elevate this fringe movement as the object of your constant political attacks. It will ultimately result in these gender identity concepts being more quickly normalized and accepted by society. Myself and others are responding to attacks on freedom and our own rights and the rights of others. And sure kid - history really shows that what happens is that their rights go more quickly and that the pendulum never swings back  Read a book sometime. 1 hour ago, Matthew said: Its not a cycle like that. It has always been a cycle like that. Gays and such have at many times in history been completely accepted and then completely rejected and back again. Look at rome. then look at europe 500 years later. Then look at france where they practically had gay marrage for a time. Then it was impure again. Etc etc. Again, read a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Just now, Matthew said: Honestly I respect the straightforward admitting he is calling for violence and then trying to defend his reason for doing so versus the cowards on the right who would spend hours trying to debate some random semantics and claim this is a free speech issue. He's guilty of calling for violence against people who are allowed to call for violence. That's what you're saying. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Just now, WestCanMan said: He's guilty of calling for violence against people who are allowed to call for violence. That's what you're saying. Anyone calling for violence should not expect any free speech protections for doing so. The present issue is whether people are being prosecuted for simply having certain opinions or exercising free speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 1 minute ago, Matthew said: Anyone calling for violence should not expect any free speech protections for doing so. The present issue is whether people are being prosecuted for simply having certain opinions or exercising free speech. BLM rioters got away with it, didn't they...? The politicians in the US got away with inciting, condoning and financially supporting BLM rioting, right? Michelle Obama told HS/College grads to "Stay angry, focus your anger, and never let anyone tell you not to be angry" during the height of the riots in the US. Kamala gushed about the prospects of the riots lasting until after Christmas, then she pimped a bail fund to get the worst of the rioters back on the streets. How did you go from "Inciting violence is AWESOME!" to "Inciting violence is a crime" so fast? When you talk about Kamala, do you just suppress that sentiment briefly, and then just allow it to return whenever it's convenient? How about if you take your hypocrisy, stupidity, situational ethics and selective outrage and f-off, dummy? 1 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 (edited) 50 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Then by what power did the court make that order. Courts are granted by law limited procedural power that includes temporarily jailing people for not cooperating with juducial procedeedings. Heres how contempt of court works in the US, I'm sure it's similar up your way 50 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Those who repress others always have an excuse. Indeed, as I am witnessing. 50 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Slippery slope is something entirely different, that would be if i said IF you do this THENÂ you will have to excuse rape. Agreed, exactly the rationale you used: IF I consider the context of why the people were actually prosecuted THEN I "might as well try to justfy rape." 50 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Myself and others are responding to attacks on freedom and our own rights and the rights of others. I will help respond to such attacks if I am shown a real example of this. I did somewhat agree with a couple things in your original list, but overall your claim so far seems very exaggerated. 50 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Gays and such have at many times in history been completely accepted and then completely rejected and back again. Look at rome Fair point, I like a more big picture historical view. Though pre-christian greco-roman culture was almost completely different had its own ideas about sexuality compared to the more christianized germanic-based european culture than developed later on. There was never a social and political stuggle to gain normalization and acceptance of gay sex in ancient Greece or rome. Edited August 17 by Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: BLM rioters got away with it, didn't they Thousands of people across US during the 2020 race protests were arrested. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 13 minutes ago, Matthew said: Thousands of people across US during the 2020 race protests were arrested. And Dems let them right back out whenever they were within their jurisdiction, or used Kamala's bail fund to get them out when they weren't. Riots were the Dems' #1 priority. 1 2 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissy1979 Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 BLM protesters may have gone to jail but Trump offered to pardon the people responsible for taking out a cop's eye on Jan. 6. How are Republicans to win if violence and disorder is not prevalent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 31 minutes ago, Matthew said: Courts are granted by law limited procedural power that includes temporarily jailing people for not cooperating with juducial procedeedings. Heres how contempt of court works in the US, I'm sure it's similar up your way similar but not the same. The court cannot ask people to do something without the law backing them. Which is why our courts very rarely hand out the kind of punative financial settlements we see happening in the states. End of the day - the guy went to jail because he wanted to call his daughter his daughter. Quote Indeed, as I am witnessing. Typing in front of a mirror are you? Still no sensible reply or argument? Can't address the point? Have to dance around it? Well imagine that.  Quote Agreed, exactly the rationale you used: IF I consider the context of why the people were actually prosecuted THEN I "might as well try to justfy rape." No, that's still not slippery slope nor did i say you would have to, I said you might as well. Slippery slope says "If this then THAT is the result. If we allow this then later that will happen. "allow one migrant in and then you'll have to allow all of them in".  Not a comparison, like "if you agree to letting migrants in then you might as well also agree with broccoli for dinner" .  Holy shit kid - i spelled it out for you, how are you STILL getting it wrong. Quote I will help respond to such attacks if I am shown a real example of this I have a funny feeling you'll just dismiss any such attacks as "not a real example".  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 19 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The court cannot ask people to do something without the law backing them. That's true, and maybe in the case in question other courts on appeal might rule that the original court order violated the man's freedom of speech. Its certainly a grey area situation. Conservatives aren't wrong to have their guard up about free speech. Everyone should all the time. But we also need to be on guard against unreasonable propaganda and manipulation. When people are being whipped up into a frenzy about alleged free speech violations, you still have to examine the soecifics to see if it's exactly the way they are portraying it.  28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I have a funny feeling you'll just dismiss any such attacks as "not a real example". Not true. I'm not beholden to any dogma or political movement. I'm cautiously far-left in many of my views but have no problem critiquing my own side or supporting principled conservative/libertarian/nationalist positions that I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 Tim Walz is somewhat of a role model to me. Like myself, Walz has a DUI, and he turned his life around. However, I am concerned due to the fact he lied about the circumstances of his DUI in 2006, over a decade after he was arrested. I tend to be brutally honest with the circumstances of my DUI.  C'mon Tim. You can do better. George W Bush had a DUI too, and he came clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Tim Walz is somewhat of a role model to me. He's a drunk criminal with no honour who lied about his achievements and has lost the respect of his peers again and again. Yeah - looking at you i can see it.  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Tim Walz is somewhat of a role model to me. Like myself, Walz has a DUI, and he turned his life around. 1. Not all DUIs are equal. I've never had one - not even a 24-hr suspension - but I'm not gonna pretend to be 100% innocent either. I'm sure that at some point in my life I've topped 0.07 and still driven a car, but never as drunk as 0.128, nor driving that fast. 96 mph at 0.128 is very extreme drinking and driving. That's basically murder-driving. Not all cars are even designed to be driven that fast. Ditto for tires. There are a lot of cars that don't have the braking or cornering ability to be driven at that speed, although they can achieve it. Not all tires are safe to drive on at 96mph either. The rubber can be too soft to corner properly at that speed, or they can even blow out - especially if it's hot. (I can't find an article that sates what kind of car he was driving at the time.)  2. It's just an assumption that he 'turned his life around' at that point. I know people who have driven drunk hundreds of times and never got caught. It's not like a 50/50 prospect. It's possible that he drove drunk 500 times after that but just didn't get caught, or weaselled his way out with more lies about the military (I was just at a funeral for one of my war buddies 😢 ). All we know for sure is that no other drunk-driving charges ever stuck after that. 3. Choose Trump as a role model. When he saw what alcohol did to his brother, he just decided not to drink, and he doesn't. He didn't have to make a colossal mistake so that he learned from it, like Walz always seems to need to do. 4. In typical Timmy Tampon fashion, 4a. Walz never apologized for it himself, he had 'his campaign do it for him, 4b. when his campaign did apologize for him, they just lied their faces off. 4c. He also used his military service as part of trying to weasel out of his lie CNN: in 2006, his campaign repeatedly told the press that he had not been drinking that night (lie 1), claiming that his failed field sobriety test was due to a misunderstanding related to hearing loss (lie2) from his time in the National Guard (military excuses and lies again). The campaign also claimed that Walz was allowed to drive himself to jail that night (lie 3). None of that was true. Is that really how one "turns their life around", DUI? Just get someone else to tell as many lies as they can about something on your behalf? That's not a good start, is it....  Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: 1. Not all DUIs are equal. I've never had one - not even a 24-hr suspension - but I'm not gonna pretend to be 100% innocent either. I'm sure that at some point in my life I've topped 0.07 and still driven a car, but never as drunk as 0.128, nor driving that fast. 96 mph at 0.128 is very extreme drinking and driving. That's basically murder-driving. Not all cars are even designed to be driven that fast. Ditto for tires. There are a lot of cars that don't have the braking or cornering ability to be driven at that speed, although they can achieve it. Not all tires are safe to drive on at 96mph either. The rubber can be too soft to corner properly at that speed, or they can even blow out - especially if it's hot. (I can't find an article that sates what kind of car he was driving at the time.)  I definitely did not drive that speed when I was hungover-drunk the morning after. I was just foolish, as I backed up and hit a parked car, and blew a 0.11. I get my Interlock device taken off in 3 months. 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:   3. Choose Trump as a role model. When he saw what alcohol did to his brother, he just decided not to drink, and he doesn't. He didn't have to make a colossal mistake so that he learned from it, like Walz always seems to need to do. Trump rapes women though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: I definitely did not drive that speed when I was hungover-drunk the morning after.  Oh - you're one of the GOOD kind of drunk drivers. I see. 🙄🙄🙄  Quote Trump rapes women though... Never actually charged with that or the like. Best you can say is he's probably sexually touched them inappropriately which is sexual assault but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said: I definitely did not drive that speed when I was hungover-drunk the morning after. I was just foolish, as I backed up and hit a parked car, and blew a 0.11. I get my Interlock device taken off in 3 months. Trump rapes women though... Trump has never raped a woman. Even E J Caroll herself told her own story, where by her own story she wasn't raped. 1 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUI_Offender Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Trump has never raped a woman. Even E J Caroll herself told her own story, where by her own story she wasn't raped. Not to worry. Trump comes from a long list of presidents who raped. some Kennedy's raped Bush raped Clinton raped Trump raped It's ok if you are rich and powerful. Just now, DUI_Offender said: Not to worry. Trump comes from a long list of presidents who raped. some Kennedy's raped Bush raped Clinton raped Trump raped It's ok if you are rich and powerful. Come to think of it, everyone but Trump has drove drunk. I wonder if there is a correlation between driving drunk and rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Not to worry. Trump comes from a long list of presidents who raped. some Kennedy's raped Bush raped Clinton raped Trump raped It's ok if you are rich and powerful. Come to think of it, everyone but Trump has drove drunk. I wonder if there is a correlation between driving drunk and rape. You keep saying "Trump raped", so who did he rape? Do you have a name, or is it just better to keep it vague, like Kamala's election platform? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 28 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Not to worry. Trump comes from a long list of presidents who raped. some Kennedy's raped Bush raped Clinton raped Trump raped It's ok if you are rich and powerful. Come to think of it, everyone but Trump has drove drunk. I wonder if there is a correlation between driving drunk and rape. Bush raped? I haven't heard that before. Got handsy i heard but not raped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Kennedy raped? Only if you're so f*cked in the head you think women lining up to jump in your bed is rape. Your jealousy that Clinton got a blowjob and you never have is showing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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