Dictators destabilizing world

[myata]

Putin set out to do way more that grab a piece of the neighbor country, more even than controlling it. His plan and intent was to do away with the order in world that is based on rules and law. And his plan and influence is already spreading through the world as poisonous emanations. Coups in Africa, that at some point were seemingly sliding into the forgotten past. Dictators throughout the world blatantly stealing elections and using extreme force to quell protests: Bjelorus, Iran, most recently, Venezuela. Each of these cases and examples is building up stepping stones for the new order of aggressive totalitarian dictatorships. And a bunch of aspiring thugs and dictators are watching it closely.

That can be done to stem the trend? First and primarily: admit the reality. Words did not change it and cannot change anything. We need to stop making excuses, take and understand things for what they are. And it begins with honesty. Anyone who tries or will try to undermine democratic election or usurp the power in any other way is a dictator and needs to be treated as such. No, there's no middle ground and half-tones. Nothing is gained by shrugging such facts and precedents away or trivializing them. It has real, serious consequences that are already spreading in the world and they can be worse.

[WestCanMan]

1. Biden's Ukraine war is de-stabilizing the world. It's shorting the global food supply and taking Russian energy off the market. That's in addition to Biden's attacks on domestic oil/energy production. And if you don't know by now that having NATO shoved into their grille by Biden is the reason for this war then just ignore this post, everything I say is just clearly over your head.
2. Biden's weakness and stupidity provided Iran with enough money to finance terrorists all over the world. Just like Ukraine can fight Russia because they have US money and advanced weapons, terrorists can attack Israel because they have Iranian money and Iranian weapons. And the money that Iran gave to Hamas was nothing compared to what they gave Hezbollah. Hezbollah had 150,000 rockets to fire at Israel before the war even started.
3. Biden's weakness and stupidity provided Hamas with the courage to launch 15,000 rockets into Israel and go on a women-and-children-burning spree there. Terrorists LOVE Biden. And now they love Kamala. They love the Dems' message: "Hamas should be allowed to fire 15,000 rockets into Israel and burn as many people alive as they want, and then ask for a cease-fire when they need to re-supply." (message to leftists: cease-fires don't exist so that terrorists can re-stock their weapons. Hamas isn't surrendering and turning over their hostages, they just want time to re-supply with Iranian weapons and explosives so that they can attack again. This is a well-established pattern: it's the 4th or 5th Gaza war)
4. With the war going on in Europe, and every indication that the war in the ME is about to expand, Biden has brought the world closer to WWIII than it ever has at any point, ever. 

 

Edited August 11, 2024 by WestCanMan

[myata]

No, there's no point in talking to those who live in alternate realities and suck them out of their body parts or those of their lying idols.

[User]

Putin launched his full-scale invasion under Biden's watch. 

These dictators are doing this under Biden/Harris watch. Biden took the Houthis off the terrorist watch list, Biden was the one who relaxed sanctions on Maduro... Biden was the one who returned to coddling Iran...

 

[myata]

"Biden administration revives oil sanctions on Venezuela, saying Maduro reneged on democracy deal. Officials said the administration determined that Venezuela's government failed to fulfill an agreement that offered a temporary easing of sanctions in exchange for promises of democratic reforms."

This is what actually happen. But as said, the time for rosy glasses is over (long). We cannot pretend that dictators would willingly implement any deals, give away the power they seized and such. No time, neither need for these games and they are becoming riskier and more dangerous. Sanctions can be relieved only based on a factual, objectively confirmed return to democracy; no "deals", "reboots", "summits", "breakthroughs" and other such crap that never, ever worked and will work, with dictators.

[ironstone]

19 minutes ago, myata said:

No, there's no point in talking to those who live in alternate realities and suck them out of their body parts or those of their lying idols.

What is there in WCM's 4 points that are incorrect? I think he is spot on.

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, ironstone said:

What is there in WCM's 4 points that are incorrect? I think he is spot on.

Myata and his fellow cultists in a nushell:

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

1. Biden's Ukraine war is de-stabilizing the world. It's shorting the global food supply and taking Russian energy off the market. That's in addition to Biden's attacks on domestic oil/energy production. And if you don't know by now that having NATO shoved into their grille by Biden is the reason for this war then just ignore this post, everything I say is just clearly over your head.
2. Biden's weakness and stupidity provided Iran with enough money to finance terrorists all over the world. Just like Ukraine can fight Russia because they have US money and advanced weapons, terrorists can attack Israel because they have Iranian money and Iranian weapons. And the money that Iran gave to Hamas was nothing compared to what they gave Hezbollah. Hezbollah had 150,000 rockets to fire at Israel before the war even started.
3. Biden's weakness and stupidity provided Hamas with the courage to launch 15,000 rockets into Israel and go on a women-and-children-burning spree there. Terrorists LOVE Biden. And now they love Kamala. They love the Dems' message: "Hamas should be allowed to fire 15,000 rockets into Israel and burn as many people alive as they want, and then ask for a cease-fire when they need to re-supply." (message to leftists: cease-fires don't exist so that terrorists can re-stock their weapons. Hamas isn't surrendering and turning over their hostages, they just want time to re-supply with Iranian weapons and explosives so that they can attack again. This is a well-established pattern: it's the 4th or 5th Gaza war)
4. With the war going on in Europe, and every indication that the war in the ME is about to expand, Biden has brought the world closer to WWIII than it ever has at any point, ever. 

 

FYI, this is precisely why everybody here knows you are completely full of shlt.  
The U.S. did not invade Russia. 
Russia invaded Ukraine.  Biden didn’t make him do it. He’d already invaded Ukraine, Trump did nothing about it.

[West]

How much worse if Kamala gets in? She raised money for violent rioters and her VP selection wants to steal kids if their parents refuse to let them lob off their genitalia. 

Truly sick lot of people

[myata]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

What is there in WCM's 4 points that are incorrect?

Really? Can you read the very first (two) words? "Poland's war in peaceful Hitler's Germany?" Turning off your brain isn't good for you. The conclusion tested by countless generations, just in case.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

FYI, this is precisely why everybody here knows you are completely full of shlt.  
The U.S. did not invade Russia. 
Russia invaded Ukraine.  Biden didn’t make him do it. He’d already invaded Ukraine, Trump did nothing about it.

Here ya go stupid:

Do you understand why that's there or do I have to spell it out for you? 

FYI that recurring nightmare that you have about stepping on rakes is actually about what happens to you every single time you respond to one of my posts. 

Myata knows. That little coward will never click "Quote" before he replies to one of my posts because he knows what will happen. 

 

edit:

I just realized that the dictionary example actually used the cold-war adversaries. Too perfect. 

Edited August 11, 2024 by WestCanMan

[ironstone]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

Really? Can you read the very first (two) words? "Poland's war in peaceful Hitler's Germany?" Turning off your brain isn't good for you. The conclusion tested by countless generations, just in case.

Where does it say 'Poland's war in peaceful Hitler's Germany' in his 4 points?

And you say my brain is turned off? 😮

[myata]

OK, let's make it a simple universe test: which of the below is true (in your universe):

1) Biden invaded Russia

2. Russia invaded an independent neighbor country, and the free world is helping it to defend herself against a brutal criminal aggression, unprecedented in post WWII world?

This is as simple as it'll ever get. And the answer is:

[herbie]

So it seems we've discovered the era these guys think was "great".

Your Grampa's where America Firsters sold GM & Ford trucks and Coca-Cola to the Nazis while Neville Chamberlain appeased them and Henry Ford had Freedom of Speech to publish newspapers and stand on soapboxes to decry the Jewish problem.

[User]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Russia invaded Ukraine.  Biden didn’t make him do it. He’d already invaded Ukraine, Trump did nothing about it.

Biden certainly didn't stop him. Biden had plenty of time, warning, and intelligence to have been able to bolster Ukraine BEFORE Russia invaded instead of after. 

Putin did not invide while Trump was in office, he had already done that during the Obama administration. 

Trump gave Ukraine more weapons than Obama did to help deter Russia and help Ukraine. 

 

[myata]

Putin decided to invade Ukraine because he saw weakness of the West in Afghanistan. Chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan was engineered by no other than Trump when he signed the agreement with Taliban effectively making the Afghan government a sitting duck.

Trump ran away from every single confrontation with dictators: Syria, Afghanistan; he did not stop Russia's invasion in Ukraine in all of his time in the office. He cowered to Kim and did nothing to make Vlad observe international law. This is the reality, facts.

He will do, fix, make something are only his empty words, from many. He never did anything, nothing is fixed. But he promises to treat an international criminal as a partner, break international isolation and bring him gifts. Nothing can change the reality. Dead brains are living in the imagined, alternate one.

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

And you say my brain is turned off? 

OK, here's a simple universe test: which of the below is true (in your universe):

1. Biden invaded Russia

2. Russia invaded an independent neighbor country, and the free world is helping it to defend herself against a brutal criminal aggression, unprecedented in post WWII world?

This is as simple as it'll ever get. And the answer is:

[NAME REMOVED]

44 minutes ago, myata said:

 

OK, here's a simple universe test: which of the below is true (in your universe):

1. Biden invaded Russia

2. Russia invaded an independent neighbor country, and the free world is helping it to defend herself against a brutal criminal aggression, unprecedented in post WWII world?

This is as simple as it'll ever get. And the answer is:

The MAGA squad will never give you an honest answer. They are incapable of debating in a civil manner.

[User]

44 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The MAGA squad will never give you an honest answer. They are incapable of debating in a civil manner.

I try repeatedly to engage with Myata. Myata runs away from most of my responses and the few times we do get a response it is not even directed to anyone in particular and is some vague random nonsense that might as well be a Dear Diary entry. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Putin decided to invade Ukraine because he saw weakness of the West in Afghanistan.

Biden to blame.

1 hour ago, myata said:

Chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan was engineered by no other than Trump when he signed the agreement with Taliban effectively making the Afghan government a sitting duck.

Total crap. Biden owned that withdrawal; no one forced him to do it as dumb as he did. No one forced Biden to leave behind Billions in military equipment. No one forced Biden to leave Americans and our Allies behind. The Taliban reneged on the deal anyhow. Biden chose to push for a sloppy withdrawal because he wanted to. 

1 hour ago, myata said:

Trump ran away from every single confrontation with dictators: Syria, Afghanistan;

Trump did not run away from Syria, he literally fought the Russian's proxies head on there. Trump did not run away from Afghanistan, Biden did. 

US soldiers killed 'hundreds' in battle with Syrian forces and Russian mercenaries, says American general

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-army-kill-russians-syria-civil-war-mercenaries-deir-ezzor-isis-a8268691.html

1 hour ago, myata said:

he did not stop Russia's invasion in Ukraine in all of his time in the office.

Russia did not invade Ukraine while Trump was President. 

Trump gave Ukraine more and better weapons Obama did not, so that they could better defend themselves too. 

1 hour ago, myata said:

He cowered to Kim

Cowered to Kim? How?

This is Trump:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-un-north-korean-leader-suicide-mission-n802596
Trump Threatens to 'Totally Destroy' North Korea in First U.N. Speech

 

1 hour ago, myata said:

This is the reality, facts.

You do not live in reality as I proved above. You are not interested in facts. 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, myata said:

OK, here's a simple universe test: which of the below is true (in your universe):

1. Biden invaded Russia

2. Russia invaded an independent neighbor country, and the free world is helping it to defend herself against a brutal criminal aggression, unprecedented in post WWII world?

This is as simple as it'll ever get. And the answer is:

You're all over the place and ignoring some unpleasant facts. The US has a rather long history of meddling in Ukraine, and Russia did not take kindly to that, just as the Americans did not tolerate Russian missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Whether we like it or not, it's what the major powers have always done, exercising a measure of control over less powerful nations.

I have no admiration for Putin who is among the most dangerous leaders of our time. You're also ignoring the fact that it was relatively peaceful while Trump was president. Perhaps a coincidence, but I tend to think the world's dictators had a certain level of fear and/or respect for Trump and that's why they were much less aggressive during that time.

Putin's invasion is not unprecedented post ww2 either. Korean war 1950? The Arabs attacking Israel?  You guys are all gung ho to keep the Ukraine/Russia war going while at the same time wanting to completely restrain Israel from taking (justified) military action against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran.

https://reason.com/2022/02/25/how-the-past-4-american-presidents-helped-escalate-tensions-in-ukraine/

Edited August 12, 2024 by ironstone

[myata]

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

You're all over the place and ignoring some unpleasant facts. The US has a rather long history of meddling in Ukraine

You're being dishonest and my patience is running low when folks are showing deliberately dishonest behavior. You are stating an assertion at best, more likely: a lie as a fact and that is dishonest. "Meddling" does not mean a free and legitimate choice of a European nation. It does not mean giving assistance to them, and especially in defending themselves against a brutal aggression. Dictators, like Putin do not have a veto over the choice of free, independent people. Hitler did not have the right to invade Poland whatever his justifications. Who is it not clear to?

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

I tend to think

You thinking is your own. Without factual or logical arguments it has no bearing on what others may think. The facts are that he ran away from every single confrontation with dictators. Anti-Isis was an international coalition where US didn't play the main role. He engineered the chaotic transition in Afghanistan by literally pulling the rug from under the existing government. He did nothing to make Vlad observe the international law: his troops were in Ukraine, blatantly violating international law all the time he held the office. All these facts obviously contradict your thoughts and feelings. "Trumps is strong against dictators" is only a myth that he himself pumps. In reality, he cowers (Kim) and runs away (Asad, Vlad, Afghanistan). He said not on one occasion that he would try to appease Vlad - a total equivalent of Hitler in our time, a war criminal under international warrant all facts, at the expense of other people. Where's strength, toughness in this? - a myth, gum bubble - or a plain, blatant lie.

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

Putin's invasion is not unprecedented post ww2 either.

Yes it is. All the instances your quoted were the aftermaths, consequences of WWII and long past. After WWII in Europe and into this century was established the convention and notion of the rules-based order and international law. Putin's invasion not only violated it but effectively broke it - it doesn't exist anymore how could it? In what world will we and our children live from now on, if this kind of behavior becomes acceptable and normal?

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

You guys are all gung ho to keep the Ukraine/Russia war going while at the same time wanting to completely restrain Israel from taking (justified) military action against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran.

Who are those "guys"? No need to respond to vague musings.

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

https://reason.com/2022/02/2

Why would anyone sane respond to every piece sh*t one could pull from somewhere? Do you believe everything that you hear or read? Turning your brain off isn't great for you, as learned by generations.

And so, if you're still living in this, rational and real universe you have to pick one, the facts or insinuations and imaginations. No they don't work together very well.

 

[Rebound]

16 hours ago, User said:

 

Trump gave Ukraine more weapons than Obama did so he could get dirt on Joe Biden. 

 

Fixed that for you.

Trump is a corrupt man. It’s definitely corrupt to withhold US taxpayer-funded weapons shipments in return for a personal political favor.

[myata]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

to withhold US taxpayer-funded weapons shipments in return for a personal political favor.

They like to forget the facts the moment they come into clash with their imaginary universe. An instant memory wipe syndrome.

Edited August 12, 2024 by myata

[User]

15 minutes ago, myata said:

They like to forget the facts the moment they come into clash with their imaginary universe. An instant memory wipe syndrome.

Yet again, you ignore my post completely destroying your fictional narrative. The only person here living in an imaginary universe is you. 

Now run away like you always do. 

[User]

25 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Fixed that for you.

Trump is a corrupt man. It’s definitely corrupt to withhold US taxpayer-funded weapons shipments in return for a personal political favor.

You did not fix anything. The sale of the more advanced anti-tank missiles was not part of that aid withheld. 

Trump authorized the sale of these weapons years before in 2017, and it was a separate deal for more in 2019, not part of the package of normal aid that Trump withheld. 

As usual, you assert things that are not true and I destroy you and now you will run away.