Republican comrades spreading support for Marxism

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Matthew said:

Some people just talk out of their ass. Pretending they have some meaningful point is a waste of time. I have yet to witness Nationalist discuss any topic in good faith.

And some people lie as a matter of course because the truth will expose them as nothing more than petty tyrants scrambling to justify their need for power.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Matthew said:

The end result of their manifold efforts will absolutely be a massive expansion and normalization of transgender and nonbinary identity in our society, probably beyond what would have naturally occurred in the same span of time.  

Good point.

I think that drag queen story hour would have been a curious fad at best if it hadn't been made into a battlefield.

I don't care either way if a parent wants to bring their kids.  We've happened upon them, and my kids don't seem interested.  But parents now mobilize and feel the need to schedule these events to signal inclusion in a hostile environment.

[myata]

What is apparent and telling is how the cult likes to kick and trash anything and everything that the free world has done internationally, literally siding with dictators and fascist thugs, and no exaggeration. See how they try to apologize, explain and bail out Vlad - literally, a Hitler in our century. That has to mean something.. but what?

[gatomontes99]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

No, he got shot cause he incited an angry mob to invade the Capitol and destroy democracy. AKA, a real fascist move. 🤮

"Semi-fascist" Duh

Right. He got shot for saying peacefully and patriotically. The victim is at fault. Just like a woman is at fault for getting raped because she wore a short dress.

[myata]

This attachment of the cult to dictators and all the way down to aggressive fascists, note no exaggeration how can it be explained?

[Deluge]

On 8/10/2024 at 9:34 PM, Matthew said:

What happens when you call all of your fairly moderate, centrist, opponents "communist," "socialist" and "Marxist" for decades? Especially when most normal people like the moderate, centrist liberal policies that you're labeling as such, and hate the vulgar hate and fear based politics of the right?

Actual Marxist socialist ideology is pretty complicated and the average person has little comprehension as to what it is. And actual leftists have very little influence in any major party, and barely have anything resembling mass media. So I have to assume that the significant increase in American support for socialism over the last decade is due in large part to miscalculated republican messaging more than anything else.

Out of a short-term desire to smear your opponent, you actually provide decades of free propoganda in support of actual leftist ideologies. 

Matthew's been brainwashed into thinking that DEI is a "Center" issue, the poor communist bastard. 

 

[User]

10 hours ago, Matthew said:

Your idea about drag queens and hypocrisy is a perfect example. I don't know how many republicans actually deeply care about this obsessive gender stuff vs are just using it to mobilize people. In the case of transgender identity, probably most democrats are lukewarm to it, or at least were before Republicans got so involved. The end result of their manifold efforts will absolutely be a massive expansion and normalization of transgender and nonbinary identity in our society, probably beyond what would have naturally occurred in the same span of time. When a minority of outspoken people use overt hateful rhetoric and authoritarian policies to attack marginalized groups, most of society in the long run eventually gets behind those groups.

Perfect example of arguing against a strawman. 

As I already pointed out to him, the issue is not mere Drag Queens. No, I would presume the vast majority of folks on the right could not care less about what grown ass men do in their private time to get their kicks. 

The issue is when those grown ass men want to get their kicks off children. When Democrats and liberals want to push their LGBTQ sexual fetish acceptance onto kids in schools and encourage and take their children to what amounts to a strip show with scantly clad dudes dancing like stippers in front of them taking money in their g-strings. 

THAT is the issue folks care about. 

 

[User]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that drag queen story hour would have been a curious fad at best if it hadn't been made into a battlefield.

Absolutely not true. It is beyond absurdly untrue. 

It is almost like you are trying to excuse it and justify it.... 

This has continued to be pushed by those on the left more and more and more. But of course, the real problem for folks like you is that folks on the right noticed and are now rightly pointing out what the left is doing and opposing it. 

I mean... it is almost like you really do have an agenda here, you just don't want to defend it and ignore my comments picking apart yours. 

 

[Black Dog]

On 8/11/2024 at 7:01 AM, Nationalist said:

The Indian princess, Tampon Tim and Brandon have call Trump all sorts of names.

Trump calls them names.

If you Libbies wanted dignity, you should not have declared war on half the population.

Every Republican now that they're getting a taste of their own medicine:

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Absolutely not true. It is beyond absurdly untrue. 

It is almost like you are trying to excuse it and justify it.... 

This has continued to be pushed by those on the left more and more and more. But of course, the real problem for folks like you is that folks on the right noticed and are now rightly pointing out what the left is doing and opposing it. 

I mean... it is almost like you really do have an agenda here, you just don't want to defend it and ignore my comments picking apart yours. 

 

I'm saying WOULD HAVE BEEN.  That means I am making a supposition.  As in "suppose this never became a political football"...

And the rest of your post is more of that very football game.

I don't care about it.  I wouldn't and don't take my kids.  Others can do so. I think that the entire point of it is politics now.

My opinion. And yes, I have you on Ignore.  

Maybe it's because your post talks past mine... I say it's a political battlefield, then you say you disagree but then say that the left is pushing it - reinforcing my point.

If you want to fight about drag queening find someone else.  The cultural wars are mine to ignore if I choose.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm saying WOULD HAVE BEEN.  That means I am making a supposition.  As in "suppose this never became a political football"...

And the rest of your post is more of that very football game.

I don't care about it.  I wouldn't and don't take my kids.  Others can do so. I think that the entire point of it is politics now.

My opinion. And yes, I have you on Ignore.  

Maybe it's because your post talks past mine... I say it's a political battlefield, then you say you disagree but then say that the left is pushing it - reinforcing my point.

If you want to fight about drag queening find someone else.  The cultural wars are mine to ignore if I choose.

LOL, yeah right, you built a strawman in your previous post and you ignored my correcting you there too. 

Yeah, you can ignore me, and I can point out what you are doing too. 

You play this game acting like you are above the subject, but you really are not. You post just enough disinformation and then run from the criticism. 

[eyeball]

On 8/11/2024 at 8:20 AM, Nationalist said:

...you're stuck in a trap of your own making.

Given the enormous amount of certainty you've invested in the outcome of the next election what on Earth will you do if Trump loses?

[Deluge]

On 8/10/2024 at 11:27 PM, DUI_Offender said:

Most of the far right posters do not know what Communism or socialism is...

Sure we do. It's where government takes center, left AND right stage. In essence, government controls everything. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, yeah right, you built a strawman in your previous post and you ignored my correcting you there too. 

Yeah, you can ignore me, and I can point out what you are doing too. 

You play this game acting like you are above the subject, but you really are not. You post just enough disinformation and then run from the criticism. 

Well, ok. I'm going to focus on things that matter, not this political chum...

Keep fighting me as though we're actually discussing something if you enjoy doing that.

I'm not running from criticism, I'm using IGNORE.  That means I don't see your posts unless I click on them and say SHOW POST.

Enjoy our future discussions, by all means.

 

[User]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, ok. I'm going to focus on things that matter, not this political chum...

Keep fighting me as though we're actually discussing something if you enjoy doing that.

I'm not running from criticism, I'm using IGNORE.  That means I don't see your posts unless I click on them and say SHOW POST.

Enjoy our future discussions, by all means.

 

Yes, you are running from criticism. Keep running. 

 

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, ok. I'm going to focus on things that matter, not this political chum...

Keep fighting me as though we're actually discussing something if you enjoy doing that.

I'm not running from criticism, I'm using IGNORE.  That means I don't see your posts unless I click on them and say SHOW POST.

Enjoy our future discussions, by all means.

 

 

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Given the enormous amount of certainty you've invested in the outcome of the next election what on Earth will you do if Trump loses?

Keep arguing for common sense.

[Nationalist]

35 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Every Republican now that they're getting a taste of their own medicine:

What medicine? The Fentinyl you dum fcks allow to flood in?

[Michael Hardner]

Thanks for your replies folks.  I will try to engage with you from to time when it's productive, I promise. 🙂

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, User said:

THAT is the issue folks care about. 

I mean, ok if you say so. Whatever the particulars are from one republican to the next doesn't matter. Overall, this particular issue is playing out as a massive campaign against some group of people. Which increases awareness of that group and ultimately is contributing a lot toward that group and that way of thinking being accepted in society.

This is not an argument for anything. Its an simply a fact that is analogous to every other similar situation where the largely disliked right wing social policy views serve to galvanized the entire country against whatever thing republicans are for.

Conservatives are anti gay marriage for decades? = Gay marriage becomes widely accepted and normalized.

Decades of republicans politicizing abortion? = Most people now pro abortion.

Conservatives call their liberal opponents socialists every day? = Socialism becomes more popular (gotta move on to "communism" now I guess)

This trend has been going on for many years. Its unavoidable too. The current anti-trans thing for example is an obvious way to signal to millions of bigoted voters that you're their guy. The appeal of getting those votes matters more to republicans than the reality that their political actions inevitably increase the thing they are saying they are against.

Edited August 12, 2024 by Matthew

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Matthew said:

 

This trend has been going on for many years. Its unavoidable too.  

Well, I would say unavoidable by definition.

 

Conservatives are defined as standing with traditional institutions and practice.  This is why I am a conservative and a reactionary who wants the state to ban ideas is not.

 

So you will get the classic battle when social progressives try to push for policy change in that arena.  Once the momentary battle ends, the conflict moves to another area.

And progressives don't absolutely "win" just because things change.  Otherwise, the young reactionaries wouldn't be waxing nostalgic for the 70s 80s and 90s as I have read 🤣

Edited August 12, 2024 by Michael Hardner

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38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, ok. I'm going to focus on things that matter, not this political chum...

Keep fighting me as though we're actually discussing something if you enjoy doing that.

I'm not running from criticism, I'm using IGNORE.  That means I don't see your posts unless I click on them and say SHOW POST.

Enjoy our future discussions, by all means.

 

Michael,  you are the only one on this forum the MAGA lunatics respect,  it seems. Try steering them away from the toxic cult. 

[Black Dog]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What medicine? The Fentinyl you dum fcks allow to flood in?

what's Fentinyl? Is that what you take for incontinence or impotence?

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Michael,  you are the only one on this forum the MAGA lunatics respect,  it seems.  

I would like that to be true. 

Unfortunately, I do lapse into insult occasionally, and I wouldn't blame anyone holding that to me.

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, User said:

Perfect example of arguing against a strawman. 

As I already pointed out to him, the issue is not mere Drag Queens. No, I would presume the vast majority of folks on the right could not care less about what grown ass men do in their private time to get their kicks. 

The issue is when those grown ass men want to get their kicks off children. When Democrats and liberals want to push their LGBTQ sexual fetish acceptance onto kids in schools and encourage and take their children to what amounts to a strip show with scantly clad dudes dancing like stippers in front of them taking money in their g-strings. 

THAT is the issue folks care about. 

You're not being honest here. You're conflating drag story hours in schools and libraries with drag events in private establishments.