Its official - the shooter was a democrat.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

But Nazis are extreme Nationalists and NOT socialist. No one got a free ride cause they needed it in Nazi Germany; they were lucky to not get a bullet in the head.

They're socialists robosmith. 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

But you are wrong. The economy of Germany was very much planned by the state. It was absolutrly a planned economy

I'm entirely correct.  That's what a "highly regulated" market is.  You're literally saying i'm right without realizing it because you're too dumb to understand what you're talking about. 

The germans through regulation and by controlling what was purchased tightly controlled the market - and then allowed the market to function to derive the usual benefits of competition and innovation.  This is essentially known as a 'state directed economy' - the market is in place but it is heavily directed by the gov't through various regulation and laws etc.

You have a grade 8 understanding of this stuff which is hindering you.  A highly regulated market is how market socialists exercise control over the economy and means of production without actually owning the means of production and squashing innovation or competition entirely. 

None of this is theoretical, it's well documented and market socialism is in practice today and has been discussed going all the way back to... well.. ww2.  

I get this can be a bit hard to learn about because the terms keep getting reused so what 'democratic socialism' is to one person may differ compared to another. 

Here - start here and actually READ something. This is just a primer to give you SOME ideas about the kinds of socialism out there but you'll at least have some sort of basic groundwork to build on. 

Types of socialism - Wikipedia

The nazi's were socialists. It's right in their effing name. They just weren't the kind of socialist that believes the state should own the means of production, they wanted the state to CONTROL the means of production but to have the means of production owned in a market environment. 

[Five of swords]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm entirely correct.  That's what a "highly regulated" market is.  You're literally saying i'm right without realizing it because you're too dumb to understand what you're talking about. 

The germans through regulation and by controlling what was purchased tightly controlled the market - and then allowed the market to function to derive the usual benefits of competition and innovation.  This is essentially known as a 'state directed economy' - the market is in place but it is heavily directed by the gov't through various regulation and laws etc.

You have a grade 8 understanding of this stuff which is hindering you.  A highly regulated market is how market socialists exercise control over the economy and means of production without actually owning the means of production and squashing innovation or competition entirely. 

None of this is theoretical, it's well documented and market socialism is in practice today and has been discussed going all the way back to... well.. ww2.  

I get this can be a bit hard to learn about because the terms keep getting reused so what 'democratic socialism' is to one person may differ compared to another. 

Here - start here and actually READ something. This is just a primer to give you SOME ideas about the kinds of socialism out there but you'll at least have some sort of basic groundwork to build on. 

Types of socialism - Wikipedia

The nazi's were socialists. It's right in their effing name. They just weren't the kind of socialist that believes the state should own the means of production, they wanted the state to CONTROL the means of production but to have the means of production owned in a market environment. 

Market socialism is to be contrasted with a planned economy. National socialism was absolutely a planned economy. They had autarky, land reform, prohibition on usury and stock dividends and land speculation, etc.

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Market socialism is to be contrasted with a planned economy

no, that's stupid. Hell kid, the stuff i gave you were extremely elementary, couldn't you understand even that much?

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. National socialism was absolutely a planned economy.

Then it's exactly what i said it was.

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They had autarky, land reform, prohibition on usury and stock dividends and land speculation, etc.

You're just digging  yourself deeper 

Do you not understand how you sound? It's like listening to a child explain how there really was a santa clause.

The nazis were socialists. They believed in a highly regulated market economy. All of their military hardware was designed and invented by private companies who competed for the contracts but under strict guidance of the gov't.  The gov't took the profits they harvested from the companies to use on their socialist agenda which was the expansion of the country by military force and conquest. 

Hitler talked about this quite a bit.  Others have noted this, this is textbook stuff, none of it is remotely controversial or contested.  

The only people who freak over this simple fact are modern day socialists who are afraid that it makes them look bad if the nazis were also socialists. 

Yeash.  why does EVERY DAMN conversation have to involve teaching you the very basics. 

[Five of swords]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

no, that's stupid. Hell kid, the stuff i gave you were extremely elementary, couldn't you understand even that much?

Then it's exactly what i said it was.

You're just digging  yourself deeper 

Do you not understand how you sound? It's like listening to a child explain how there really was a santa clause.

The nazis were socialists. They believed in a highly regulated market economy. All of their military hardware was designed and invented by private companies who competed for the contracts but under strict guidance of the gov't.  The gov't took the profits they harvested from the companies to use on their socialist agenda which was the expansion of the country by military force and conquest. 

Hitler talked about this quite a bit.  Others have noted this, this is textbook stuff, none of it is remotely controversial or contested.  

The only people who freak over this simple fact are modern day socialists who are afraid that it makes them look bad if the nazis were also socialists. 

Yeash.  why does EVERY DAMN conversation have to involve teaching you the very basics. 

Because you are always wrong about the basics and just refuse to believe it. Planned economy precludes market socialism. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Because you are always wrong about the basics and just refuse to believe it. Planned economy precludes market socialism. 

Talking to your mirror again I see  

Kid. You're embarrassing yourself. i gave you a nice website explaining the basics and everything.

Mind you considering you didn't know that poland had a defense treaty with britian or that russia invading in the event of a german incursion was agreed to before the war....  not really surprised you don't understand how germany's economy was structured either. 

You're obviously a huge fan, haven't you looked at how their economy worked before? Like... you didn't notice companies were bidding on the contracts? Or that german gov't officials served on the boards of most of the bigger companies?  This isn't rocket science. 

[Five of swords]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Talking to your mirror again I see  

Kid. You're embarrassing yourself. i gave you a nice website explaining the basics and everything.

Mind you considering you didn't know that poland had a defense treaty with britian or that russia invading in the event of a german incursion was agreed to before the war....  not really surprised you don't understand how germany's economy was structured either. 

You're obviously a huge fan, haven't you looked at how their economy worked before? Like... you didn't notice companies were bidding on the contracts? Or that german gov't officials served on the boards of most of the bigger companies?  This isn't rocket science. 

But you are just making that up. Of course I knew about the Treaty.

 

Now you seem to think that because business sounding stuff happened in Germany it could not be a planned economy. Does not follow.

 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

But you are just making that up. Of course I knew about the Treaty.

You literally had no idea. You claimed that there was absolutely no reason for britian to get involved militarily when germany invaded, until I pointed out  there was a treaty.  THEN you went off about how they "should have declared war on russia for their invasion" because you didn't know that Russia crossing the border was the plan worked out with Poland and Britain and France, and that Britain was arguing they should be allowed to go further. 

You literally claimed the only reason for the war was that france and britian hated germany and attacked germany without cause. 

You had NO idea there was a treaty or that russia had agreed to move into poland if there was a german incursion. 

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Now you seem to think that because business sounding stuff happened in Germany it could not be a planned economy. Does not follow.

 

Kid - just like the whole treaty thing, this is history not speculation. Germany was a socialist model with a market economy that was strictly controlled by the state to further the social agenda of the state which was expansion of the state by military conquest. 

You need to learn to read a book or two before opening your mouth and proving how uneducated you are. 

[Five of swords]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You literally had no idea. You claimed that there was absolutely no reason for britian to get involved militarily when germany invaded, until I pointed out  there was a treaty.  THEN you went off about how they "should have declared war on russia for their invasion" because you didn't know that Russia crossing the border was the plan worked out with Poland and Britain and France, and that Britain was arguing they should be allowed to go further. 

You literally claimed the only reason for the war was that france and britian hated germany and attacked germany without cause. 

You had NO idea there was a treaty or that russia had agreed to move into poland if there was a german incursion. 

Kid - just like the whole treaty thing, this is history not speculation. Germany was a socialist model with a market economy that was strictly controlled by the state to further the social agenda of the state which was expansion of the state by military conquest. 

You need to learn to read a book or two before opening your mouth and proving how uneducated you are. 

Look, I am not surprised you were unable to comprehend anything I said. But I did know of the Treaty so of course nothing I said would suggest I did not.

 

Germany had a planned socialist economy and the military was not its focus. That is just fake news. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Look, I am not surprised you were unable to comprehend anything I said. But I did know of the Treaty so of course nothing I said would suggest I did not.

 

Germany had a planned socialist economy and the military was not its focus. That is just fake news. 

ROFLMAO - oh dear - triggered nazi is triggered  

Lie to your heart's content kiddo, the truth was plain to see and it's equally plain that you've realized you've got no argument left here either.  Now you just sound desperrate.

Do your research next time. If you've learned anything so far it should be that around here you're going to get your ass kicked if you make dumb statements you haven't thoroughly researched.  Do better. 

[Five of swords]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO - oh dear - triggered nazi is triggered  

Lie to your heart's content kiddo, the truth was plain to see and it's equally plain that you've realized you've got no argument left here either.  Now you just sound desperrate.

Do your research next time. If you've learned anything so far it should be that around here you're going to get your ass kicked if you make dumb statements you haven't thoroughly researched.  Do better. 

Oh I've done plenty of research. But I cannot give you a brain that can comprehend simple things

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Oh I've done plenty of research. 

Kid I'm sure you think whatever comic books you read is 'research', but it's quite plainly obvoius you dont' have a clue about anything you've spoke about so far.

It's truly rare to see someone that EVERYONE, including on the right at left of the spectrum,  EVERYONE on the board instantly recognizes as being full of shit. Yet you've managed it. 

Read a book.  this is no place for stupid people. Except robo and myata and we just keep them around to prove the point   

[Five of swords]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kid I'm sure you think whatever comic books you read is 'research', but it's quite plainly obvoius you dont' have a clue about anything you've spoke about so far.

It's truly rare to see someone that EVERYONE, including on the right at left of the spectrum,  EVERYONE on the board instantly recognizes as being full of shit. Yet you've managed it. 

Read a book.  this is no place for stupid people. Except robo and myata and we just keep them around to prove the point   

Dude..you can't read a book. Even if you tried, you lack the comprehension skills to absorb anything.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Dude..you can't read a book. Even if you tried, you lack the comprehension skills to absorb anything.

ROFLMAO - i'm sure that kind of childish remark really 'wows' them on the playground at recess   

I"m not to blame for your stupidity or lack of education kid. 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO - i'm sure that kind of childish remark really 'wows' them on the playground at recess   

I"m not to blame for your stupidity or lack of education kid. 

You don't understand. That wasn't some cheap shot. That is genuinely what I believe

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

You don't understand. 

Says every teen ager ever. 

I understand fine. You're a delusional !diot with no communication skills and even less research or critical thinking skills who's got a bit of a crush on the nazis. 

Get a grip kid. 

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

You don't understand. That wasn't some cheap shot. That is genuinely what I believe

Then your beliefs are ill founded, and that's giving you credit for believing in your misguided beliefs.

[Black Dog]

Trump shooter may have made ‘antisemitic and anti-immigrant’ social media posts that embraced ‘political violence,’ FBI says

Lol he was a right wing groyper.

[Black Dog]

On 7/28/2024 at 5:33 PM, CdnFox said:

I'm entirely correct.  That's what a "highly regulated" market is.  You're literally saying i'm right without realizing it because you're too dumb to understand what you're talking about. 

The germans through regulation and by controlling what was purchased tightly controlled the market - and then allowed the market to function to derive the usual benefits of competition and innovation.  This is essentially known as a 'state directed economy' - the market is in place but it is heavily directed by the gov't through various regulation and laws etc.

In other word: capitalism.

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You have a grade 8 understanding of this stuff which is hindering you.  A highly regulated market is how market socialists exercise control over the economy and means of production without actually owning the means of production and squashing innovation or competition entirely. 

TIL that the United States today is a socialist country.

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Trump shooter may have made ‘antisemitic and anti-immigrant’ social media posts that embraced ‘political violence,’ FBI says

Lol he was a right wing groyper.

umm - that's all left wing stuff.  The left supports palestine and hates the jews. The left embraces political violence to further their cause  

Still your boy kiddo   LOLOLOL 

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

umm - that's all left wing stuff.  The left supports palestine and hates the jews. The left embraces political violence to further their cause  

Still your boy kiddo   LOLOLOL 

Overall, I think the important thing to note about this kid is that, like many mentally ill people on the left or right, he is not a Trump supporter.

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

In other word: capitalism.

 

No, capitalism requires a FREE market, unhindered by regulation or excessive gov't control. 

My god - i' m still sometimes shocked at how little you know. 

True capitalsm wants a 'Laissez-faire' market, basically no rules. But that has problems.  Pure socialism or communism wants the gov't to "own" and control everything - it would own all the means of production, tell you how much of what product you would acquire or be issued, collect and sell all of the things  you produce. 

In between that there are variations of 'market' economies. "Fair market" where there's regulation to help prevent the inevitable oligarchy or monopolies laissez-faire produces, or some regulation to help level the boom and bust cycles that it tends to produce. 

On the other side, socialists allow for SOME market activity and private ownership of production, but they control the market extremely and milk it's profits and force it in certain directions that they feel benefits society rather than the individual. 

Capitalism is the greatest engine we've ever found for wealth creation and innovation, and socialism tends to be the opposite. So socialists try to harness some of the beneftis of a market economy while still essentially 'owning' the production by way of regulation and control and taxation. 

 

So there you go.  Hopefully you've learned something. 

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TIL that the United States today is a socialist country.

LOL the us economy is NOT highly regulated at all.  

[User]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Trump shooter may have made ‘antisemitic and anti-immigrant’ social media posts that embraced ‘political violence,’ FBI says

Lol he was a right wing groyper.

Notice the FBI did not provide the comments or the social media account... gee, I wonder why. 

Maybe... 

https://x.com/BasedTorba/status/1818311922560774188

[Nationalist]

On 7/29/2024 at 1:00 AM, Five of swords said:

Because you are always wrong about the basics and just refuse to believe it. Planned economy precludes market socialism. 

Ya @CdnFox, you simply refuse to believe. Dont you know that "truth" is meaningless to Libbies?

You Must BELIEVE...

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Ya @CdnFox, you simply refuse to believe. Dont you know that "truth" is meaningless to Libbies?

You Must BELIEVE...

 

I'm trying!!! But my stupid brian and intellect and education and reasoning abilities and cognitive faculties just won't let me!!!! (help!)