Its official - the shooter was a democrat.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

If we had a thread on our favourite ice cream flavors, I am sure he'd find a way to steer the topic to nazism. It's almost like the leftists.

Encyclopedia Britannica says you're FOS. NAZI is extreme right nationalism.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Five of swords said:

National socialism is the brainchild of Adolf hitler

Like North Korea's Democratic Republic, the NAME doesn't define the form of government.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Well, yeah, I would say it's important. It happened less than a hundred years ago, and it's understandable that people bring it up. But people go overboard.

National socialists don't hold the monopoly on nationalism, though. I would say nationalism is a pretty broad term. I think many people today would define themselves as nationalists in contrast to globalism and open borders. I suspect you might argue they are not real "nationalists", but then I think there could be an argument made that your guy wasn't a pure nationalist, either.

Globalism says NOTHING about "open borders." Duh

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

I don't think anyone is qualified to say what true nationalism is. You can look up definitions of nationalism, and they are all different. Some define nationalists as people who would put the nation state first, and others would say that a nationalist would put a certain ethnicity or group within that state first. Political ideologies are not so cut and dry. Right and left wing for instance are not always well defined. Some people have a collection of ideas from both. And some people refer to people as being right wing for very different reasons than they might consider someone else as right wing.

Anyways....

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5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No, at no point did Trump ever condone or incite rioting. 

Compare that to Obama, who pretended that Trayvon Martin was just an innocent little kid trying to go get some skittles, just to get rioting started. Turns out, Trayvon actually did sneak-attack that guy, and the guy's screams can be heard on a 911 call.

Then there's M Brown: Obama was still talking to the congressional black caucus about the innocent gentle giant long after video had come out showing that he was a violent criminal. There were still riots going on while Obama was lying to keep the gentle giant riots going. 

Obama did nothing to stop any of that rioting, he just kept fanning the flames. 

Then when there was rioting going on in 2020, Obama's despicable piece of trash wife told HS grads to "stay angry, focus you anger, and never let anyone tell you not to be angry."

Can you imagine if Trump said that during the brief "mostly peaceful protest" on J6? He asked for peace 3 times in less than 3 hrs, but leftards say that he didn't do anything. Can you imagine if he quoted the former first ho? 

Screams heard on a phone call says nothing about what led up to that fight. Duh

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...nationalizm has nothing to do with either.

You ain' as smart as ya think y'are...are ya.

You ain't smart enough to understand Encyclopedia Britannica.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This is the second Dem assassin in the last 8 years now.

The OP's cite is FULL of could be's and maybe's. IOW, the main source is noncommittal. DUH

But like FOS LIES, he told you what you wanted to hear, so it's gospel to you. LMAO

[CouchPotato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Encyclopedia Britannica says you're FOS. NAZI is extreme right nationalism.

I am not saying leftists are Nazis. I am saying they often find a way to bring them up in any conversation -- though not for the same reasons Five of swords is bringing them up.

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Globalism says NOTHING about "open borders." Duh

I never said it did. I said that many people nowadays define themselves as nationalists in contrast to globalism and open borders. You can be in opposition to two things without asserting that they are the same. I don't know whether or not they are correct in defining themselves as nationalists. You can argue things like that until you are blue in the face. The meaning of the word liberal has changed a lot over the years, at least in popular usage.

Good work on The First Reich.

Edited July 28, 2024 by CouchPotato

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

You ain't smart enough to understand Encyclopedia Britannica.

Perhaps. 

But I do understand you robo-simp.

[Five of swords]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Like North Korea's Democratic Republic, the NAME doesn't define the form of government.

It might not, but it might. In the case of national socialism, it is properly named. Both in theory and in practice.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Perhaps. 

But I do understand you robo-simp.

You're contesting the definition of Nazi from EB, dummy.

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

It might not, but it might. In the case of national socialism, it is properly named. Both in theory and in practice.

Nazi government favored corporatism, not socialism.

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You're contesting the definition of Nazi from EB, dummy.

Nazi government favored corporatism, not socialism.

Corporatism is socialism. It is a brand of syndicalism. And really, that was more an aspect of Italian fascism. In Germany, all corporations and banking were under the full control of the furher.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're contesting the definition of Nazi from EB, dummy.

Nazi government favored corporatism, not socialism.

 

Not even a little bit Robo.  Sorry.  

The nazis are what we call 'democratic' socialists, or more generally market socialists.  Socialists realized that when the gov't owns the means of production nothing really gets done and it sucks.  Market based economies such as capitalism did much better. 
 

So they decided that they would have a market - but that the market would be extremely and rigidly controlled in order to benefit the national social agenda. Heavily taxed and regulated - which was even better than owning it because you still had competition and innovation but you still got the money and industry had to do what you wanted "For the good of the Motherland". 

Hitler believed that the greatest benefit to society and the duty of the country was to expand the country and living area by military force and conquest. To acquire 'lebensraum" by force of arms, and to spread their idea of "woke" ideology across the world. 

It's the same as the democratic socialists today, except today they feel their national social goals are more around climate change and cramming as many refugees as possible inside their borders.  (sort of anti-lebensraum). 

But absolutely yes, the Nazi's were socialists.  They hated the 'official" socialists and the communists (communism is actually just another variant of socialism), but they were socialists.  

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're contesting the definition of Nazi from EB, dummy.

Nazi government favored corporatism, not socialism.

Lol...no dumb-dumb. YOU'RE  contesting the guy's "definition". I mearly pointed out that a "Nationalist" is not necessarily a "socialist".

But ya...carry on...

Edited July 28, 2024 by Nationalist

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

 

Not even a little bit Robo.  Sorry.  

The nazis are what we call 'democratic' socialists, or more generally market socialists.  Socialists realized that when the gov't owns the means of production nothing really gets done and it sucks.  Market based economies such as capitalism did much better. 
 

So they decided that they would have a market - but that the market would be extremely and rigidly controlled in order to benefit the national social agenda. Heavily taxed and regulated - which was even better than owning it because you still had competition and innovation but you still got the money and industry had to do what you wanted "For the good of the Motherland". 

Hitler believed that the greatest benefit to society and the duty of the country was to expand the country and living area by military force and conquest. To acquire 'lebensraum" by force of arms, and to spread their idea of "woke" ideology across the world. 

It's the same as the democratic socialists today, except today they feel their national social goals are more around climate change and cramming as many refugees as possible inside their borders.  (sort of anti-lebensraum). 

But absolutely yes, the Nazi's were socialists.  They hated the 'official" socialists and the communists (communism is actually just another variant of socialism), but they were socialists.  

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Markets were not terribly important to the national socialists.

 

When they wanted Volkswagen to make tanks, they made tanks. It wasn't important what the market demand was 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I know everything i talk about.  As a rule unless it's to ask a question i dont' talk unless i know everything about what i'm talking about.  We've already established on the other hand that you haven't got a clue,  Mr I-had-no-diea-poland-had-a-treaty. 

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Markets were not terribly important to the national socialists.

 

It was literally the entire focus of their gov't.  Repairing, rebuilding and then controlling the markets to produce arms. They were into it up to their necks. Their entire economy became geared towards advancing the social interests as determined by the nazis. THey would frequently insist on owning significant percentages of the businesses and having their own people on the board or as the president. 

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When they wanted Volkswagen to make tanks, they made tanks. It wasn't important what the market demand was 

Volkswagen never made tanks. But if they did and if what you just said was true, it would prove me correct not you.  It would show that the germans allowed a market, and then controlled that market. 

As it is every single tank built was selected due to a competitive process. Various companies put forward design ideas or prototypes. Same with planes, guns, everything.  The gov't had a lot of influence with the companies and produced a huge amount of rules and regs and frequently gave them guidance but no, they didn't just tell companies 'You build tanks now".  What they WOULD do is things like "we've selected the 109 as our plane of choice - you guys make the engines they use, you sell to them before anyone else".  But even then the engines would have been a competative process for selection. 

Damn it kid - you very clearly consider hitler and the nazis to be a bit of your heros, have you read NOTHING about them?

[Five of swords]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I know everything i talk about.  As a rule unless it's to ask a question i dont' talk unless i know everything about what i'm talking about.  We've already established on the other hand that you haven't got a clue,  Mr I-had-no-diea-poland-had-a-treaty. 

It was literally the entire focus of their gov't.  Repairing, rebuilding and then controlling the markets to produce arms. They were into it up to their necks. Their entire economy became geared towards advancing the social interests as determined by the nazis. THey would frequently insist on owning significant percentages of the businesses and having their own people on the board or as the president. 

Volkswagen never made tanks. But if they did and if what you just said was true, it would prove me correct not you.  It would show that the germans allowed a market, and then controlled that market. 

As it is every single tank built was selected due to a competitive process. Various companies put forward design ideas or prototypes. Same with planes, guns, everything.  The gov't had a lot of influence with the companies and produced a huge amount of rules and regs and frequently gave them guidance but no, they didn't just tell companies 'You build tanks now".  What they WOULD do is things like "we've selected the 109 as our plane of choice - you guys make the engines they use, you sell to them before anyone else".  But even then the engines would have been a competative process for selection. 

Damn it kid - you very clearly consider hitler and the nazis to be a bit of your heros, have you read NOTHING about them?

So naturally, you just don't know the basics of what a free market means.

 

In a free market, individuals and business can make what they want, charge what they want, employ who they want, pay the wages they want, offer the benefits they want, etc.

 

None of that was the case under nsdap Germany.

 

While they may not have micromanaged every detail of the economy, they did have input in any aspect they felt was important for the thriving of the German people. Which was fairly often, actually. Even the plot of movies produced in Germany would potentially be altered by goebbles, if he wasn't fond of the messaging, for example.

Mass production on massive farms with small wages might be the most efficient profit motive, but they felt that environment failed to be conducive to the nobility of character that they wanted for the German people...so they instead directed the market and strongly incentivized small homesteads of sustenance farming.

 

Anyway, you clearly have not read anything about thr subject and don't even have the prerequisite elementary education needed to be able to articulate what socialism is...so not much use discussing this with you

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Corporatism is socialism. It is a brand of syndicalism. And really, that was more an aspect of Italian fascism. In Germany, all corporations and banking were under the full control of the furher.

BIG BUSINESS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY UNDER THE NAZIS

"Yet all attempts to deny big business completely of economic power FAILED."

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[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...no dumb-dumb. YOU'RE  contesting the guy's "definition". I mearly pointed out that a "Nationalist" is not necessarily a "socialist".

But ya...carry on...

But Nazis are extreme Nationalists and NOT socialist. No one got a free ride cause they needed it in Nazi Germany; they were lucky to not get a bullet in the head.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Corporatism is socialism. It is a brand of syndicalism. And really, that was more an aspect of Italian fascism. In Germany, all corporations and banking were under the full control of the furher.

What is an example of corporatism?

 

 

Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level.

 

Corporatism - Wikipedia

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

But Nazis are extreme Nationalists and NOT socialist. No one got a free ride cause they needed it in Nazi Germany; they were lucky to not get a bullet in the head.

Lol...ur such a silly person.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

So naturally, you just don't know the basics of what a free market means.

 

Nobody said "free" market.  I said market. In the case of socialists a highly regulated market. 

I see your reading skills are as strong as ever.  Unless you're in kindergarten your teachers owe you a massive apology. 

Would you pls do better? It's depressing to many of us to constantly be reminded there's people this dense out there. 

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What is an example of corporatism?

 

 

Italian Fascism involved a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level.

 

Corporatism - Wikipedia

Nazis were socialists robo.  Sorry to break it to you. 

[CouchPotato]

You all have to get on board with CouchPotatoism. It's got all the answers.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

You all have to get on board with CouchPotatoism. It's got all the answers.

Potatoism explained

 

 

[Five of swords]

42 minutes ago, robosmith said:

But Nazis are extreme Nationalists and NOT socialist. No one got a free ride cause they needed it in Nazi Germany; they were lucky to not get a bullet in the head.

Lol...well okay they weren't interested in giving everyone a free ride. If that is what you think socialism is then whatever.

Concerning your page out of whatever book this is, I'm not interested. Whenever Hitler or goebbles made some demand on business, they followed it. Nobody in Germany was so rich that they could just ignore or defy hitler, lol. It's rather silly to think otherwise.

[Five of swords]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody said "free" market.  I said market. In the case of socialists a highly regulated market. 

I see your reading skills are as strong as ever.  Unless you're in kindergarten your teachers owe you a massive apology. 

Would you pls do better? It's depressing to many of us to constantly be reminded there's people this dense out there. 

Nazis were socialists robo.  Sorry to break it to you. 

But you are wrong. The economy of Germany was very much planned by the state. It was absolutrly a planned economy