Andrew Coyne -Thoughts

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Boomers will go down as the wealthiest generation in human history.

People did very well even with few skills.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No, that money is all going into their children's mortgage.  Winner:  developers, banks.

🤣 🤣

How many times your income did your house cost, including mortgage interest.  Boomers will go down as the wealthiest generation in human history.

We had it hard too.  Making excuses and trying to compare is wearing thin on us boomers.

We are spending your inheritance and do not care.

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't think that's a good way to assess things.  First of all.... how many are getting inheritances ?  And when ?  It's kind of a top down measure and I wonder if it takes longevity into account.

But I'm open to assessing it.

Assess? Why do I need to assess.

I know what I have, how hard I had to work and save ti have it.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People did very well even with few skills.

People then had the same skills as they do now. Difference is they used the skills.

Our skills improved when  technology improved, we had to be on a continuing learning cycle.

You forgot is was us that advanced technology too. I was in aviation ad the technology never stopped improving and it is still improving.

Every generation had its challenges and improvements. Nothing stagnated.

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

1. People then had the same skills as they do now. Difference is they used the skills.

2. Our skills improved when  technology improved, we had to be on a continuing learning cycle.

3. You forgot is was us that advanced technology too.  

1. Why can't any of them open an email attachment? 

2. Huh ?

3. ...

There were good paying jobs that didn't need training, ie. Manufacturing 

Edited July 27 by Michael Hardner

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Why can't any of them open an email attachment? 

2. Huh ?

3. ...

There were good paying jobs that didn't need training, ie. Manufacturing 

1. What are you talking about??

2. As technology advanced, so did training to use it. What is difficult to understand. Do you somehow think as technology advanced people were kicked out the door?

3.

Are you assuming that working in manufacturing required no skills?

We lost our ability to manufacture. Manufacturing left the country because we out priced ourselves. Our labour costs made products so expensive we could not buy them, let alone be competitive in export,  hence, we stopped making them and manufacturing went off shore. Surely Michael, you know that LOL

Edited July 27 by ExFlyer

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

1. What are you talking about??

2. As technology advanced, so did training to use it. What is difficult to understand. Do you somehow think as technology advanced people were kicked out the door?

3.

Manufacturing left the country because we out priced ourselves. Our labour costs made products so expensive we could not buy them hence, we stopped making them and manufacturing went off shore. Surely Michael, you know that LOL

1. Technical skills are not a forté of the boomer generation and I am one.
2. Yes, lots of older people were left behind by accelerating technology including tech workers.  If you were a coder in the first dev teams in the 1960s you coded in assembler.  By the 1990s you went from being an astronaut to a dinosaur.  I saw such people trying to learn object oriented languages and it was akin to training a career forklift operator.  

But this is all conversational, nothing can be applied to an individual and my experiences are anecdotal i admit.

3. Yes that is true.  But it has nothing to do with the fact that unskilled labourers have been crushed by the economic machine.   My casual understanding is that that sector's real wages are lower but its not borne out by the data I can find.  For sure there are fewer union jobs and the jobs I see posted are around $20/hour. 

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I don't think we're disagreeing much here.

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Technical skills are not a forté of the boomer generation and I am one.
2. Yes, lots of older people were left behind by accelerating technology including tech workers.  If you were a coder in the first dev teams in the 1960s you coded in assembler.  By the 1990s you went from being an astronaut to a dinosaur.  I saw such people trying to learn object oriented languages and it was akin to training a career forklift operator.  

But this is all conversational, nothing can be applied to an individual and my experiences are anecdotal i admit.

3. Yes that is true.  But it has nothing to do with the fact that unskilled labourers have been crushed by the economic machine.   My casual understanding is that that sector's real wages are lower but its not borne out by the data I can find.  For sure there are fewer union jobs and the jobs I see posted are around $20/hour. 

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I don't think we're disagreeing much here.

1. I am not sure what you are assuming all boomers lack technical skills. They were the ones that basically instituted, developed and used them. If you are speaking of coding, yes, few understood coding but then, few needed to know it and do it. As today, there are more but they only develop as needed.

2. People being left behind may be of choice. I  no longer am working so the advances in avionics, navigation technology, engine and aircraft manufacturing are of no interest anyone (or perhaps in passing only).To be passed by may have very well been a choice as opposed to being forced out.

3. Unskilled labour, meaning people that choose not to learn and/or refuse to are and have around since the dawn of time. Did we have jobs for shit shovelers or cow milkers etc years ago ? Yes but we found out we could make machines do it better, faster and most of all cheaper. An unskilled person made that choice, to be one.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make? That boomers were not smart? Unskilled? Unwilling to learn? Unable tiokeep up with the times and technology? They started it all and when done, they moved on.... with all the trillions of dollars they accumulated. You do realize that most of the gazilionaires that started the technological advances are boomers?

[Michael Hardner]

45 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

1. I am not sure what you are assuming all boomers lack technical skills. They were the ones that basically instituted, developed and used them. If you are speaking of coding, yes, few understood coding but then, few needed to know it and do it. As today, there are more but they only develop as needed.

2. People being left behind may be of choice. I  no longer am working so the advances in avionics, navigation technology, engine and aircraft manufacturing are of no interest anyone (or perhaps in passing only).To be passed by may have very well been a choice as opposed to being forced out.

3. Unskilled labour, meaning people that choose not to learn and/or refuse to are and have around since the dawn of time. Did we have jobs for shit shovelers or cow milkers etc years ago ? Yes but we found out we could make machines do it better, faster and most of all cheaper. An unskilled person made that choice, to be one.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make? That boomers were not smart? Unskilled? Unwilling to learn? Unable tiokeep up with the times and technology? They started it all and when done, they moved on.... with all the trillions of dollars they accumulated. You do realize that most of the gazilionaires that started the technological advances are boomers?

1. Not all boomers, but the tech world is difficult for them, I find.

2. Perhaps, but I see a class of workers set back and not by choice.

3. Yes, also including those who find it difficult.  Or too difficult.  

All I'm saying is that the boomer generation had an easier time of it, and more is demanded of workers now, with fewer rewards.

 

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Not all boomers, but the tech world is difficult for them, I find.

2. Perhaps, but I see a class of workers set back and not by choice.

3. Yes, also including those who find it difficult.  Or too difficult.  

All I'm saying is that the boomer generation had an easier time of it, and more is demanded of workers now, with fewer rewards.

 

1. Don't assume Michael.

2. Like everything in life, you make choices. Choose to move forward or chose not to. That applies to today as well. What and where folks want to work or what work they are willing to do is dubious. Lots of unskilled work out there but it pays little (less than social assistance) so it is not done by the unskilled.

3. Again Michael, you make your choices. Where you end up is a result of your effort and those choices.

 

Michael, all I am saying is the the boomer generation began all this, give them credit as innovators and of getting things to move forward. Those that came after took advantage and yes, advanced but, they already had the field with lines on it. They just had to play on that field.

What is "demanded" of workers is effort, constant and unrestrained. What was demanded of workers back then was effort, constant and unrestrained. What is given today is effort, with constraints and more demands.

Edited July 27 by ExFlyer

[herbie]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People did very well even with few skills.

And the same ones that couldn't figure out how to connect stereo speakers in 1972 can't figure out how to plug in USB sticks to their $3000 computers today. And think 13" laptops are so much cooler even though they're losing their vision.
Whereas the younger never learned what boomers have forgotten and both think your cell phone will work in a submarine that's buried in a mountain.

Some people think boomers are evil for taking the $1 million someone offers for that home you bought for $40,000 while boomers think you're crazy not to.

That;s the world we live in, where many people think blaming someone is the solution to all problems.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

People did very well even with few skills.

Like politicians today.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And the same ones that couldn't figure out how to connect stereo speakers in 1972 can't figure out how to plug in USB sticks to their $3000 computers today. And think 13" laptops are so much cooler even though they're losing their vision.
Whereas the younger never learned what boomers have forgotten and both think your cell phone will work in a submarine that's buried in a mountain.

Some people think boomers are evil for taking the $1 million someone offers for that home you bought for $40,000 while boomers think you're crazy not to.

That;s the world we live in, where many people think blaming someone is the solution to all problems.

Who's to blame for your sad situation herbie?

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

And the same ones that couldn't figure out how to connect stereo speakers in 1972 can't figure out how to plug in USB sticks to their $3000 computers today. And think 13" laptops are so much cooler even though they're losing their vision.
Whereas the younger never learned what boomers have forgotten and both think your cell phone will work in a submarine that's buried in a mountain.

Some people think boomers are evil for taking the $1 million someone offers for that home you bought for $40,000 while boomers think you're crazy not to.

That;s the world we live in, where many people think blaming someone is the solution to all problems.

I think you may be speaking of the 80+ year olds that had no use for and no desire or need to learn that technology.

I have no boomer friends that are computer illiterate. They are now retiring but before they did they had to work in the computer age so are very well versed in computer usage.

Accusing boomers of selling their house for $1 million is naive. They can get $1 million because the buyer is willing to pay that, even creating price and bidding wars for it. The boomer does not care...fight it out LOL

There is money out there, lots of vacations are sold out, lots of new cars out there and well, waiting lists for them even, financial advisors by the thousands.

Each generation had its challenges, long before someone decided to name the generations. The next generation always blamed the previous ones for their failing, shortcomings and lack of opportunities...until their offspring comes along and blames them LOL

My response, suck it up and make do with what you have.

[August1991]

On 7/26/2024 at 4:00 AM, Moonbox said:

I don't even think these posts count as "thoughts".  They're like word scrambles.  

Reagan

Galicia

Andrew Coyne

Salisbury Steak

Cold War is Over

 

 

Giggle.

[August1991]

On 7/26/2024 at 2:19 AM, Dougie93 said:

does anybody other than geriatric Boomers pay any attention to these Globe & Mail / CBC twits anymore ?

To me, this is the key comment.

Around the world, ordinary people understand that free trade is good.

With Covid, many ordinary people have lost trust in authority figures.

 

[ExFlyer]

16 minutes ago, August1991 said:

To me, this is the key comment.

Around the world, ordinary people understand that free trade is good.

With Covid, many ordinary people have lost trust in authority figures.

 

Opinions are like ass holes everyone has one or is one

[August1991]

On 7/26/2024 at 9:38 PM, blackbird said:

Useless post because it does not give any information.

Coyne is correct about free trade.

He is wrong about federal Canada.

He is wrong about politics/society because he has a PBS view of the world.

IMHO.

[eyeball]

On 7/26/2024 at 1:14 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

Had a beautiful home built for me in 1980.  Mortgage rates blasting into the ozone.  Made a few payments at 21%, good herring fishery years then . . . mortgage gone in 6 years.  Those were the days that you could work hard and get ahead of the game.  Young folks now have no game . . . no future, no work ethic, no dreams.  No piece of the pie . . . . ever.

They have no herring to fish. Trees are all but gone too.

It was a lot easier when the pie was still intact wasn't it? Now its just a plate full of crumbs and what little is left is all concentrated into the hands of big companies.

Of course you're First Nations so you and your kids should have greater access to the pie than the rest of us.

But yes the herring fishing was good for awhile wasn't it?

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trees are all but gone too.

Trees are not gone.  BC is full of trees.  Did you ever take a passenger plane from Vancouver to northwest B.C.  Thousands of square kilometers of untouched wilderness.  But the radical left and it's puppet NDP government puts regulations and preserved areas everywhere they can.  It's called the "Great Bear Rainforest", an environmental propagandist name.  There is no such thing as a "Great Bear Rainforest".  Rainforests are common on the B.C. coast.  They are everywhere.  No Great Bear Rainforest that is any different than the rest of the coast.

Then there is the red tape, stumpage fees, and regulations that make it hard for mills to be competitive.  How can we expect prosperity with an anti-industry, anti-resource NDP government in Victoria?  Our tax dollars must be used to pay FNs grants and privileges wherever the NDP can.  Then there are the cuts that must be paid to FNs for resource use.  That is the new challenge companies will face with UNDRIP.

 

 

[August1991]

55 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trees are not gone.  BC is full of trees.

 

True?

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They have no herring to fish. Trees are all but gone too.

...

Huh?

Eyeball & Blackbird, I enjoy reading your posts but I see a contradiction.

Edited July 28 by August1991

[August1991]

Let me add this point.

I am tired of this Ukraine/Israel "We are the world" flag nonsense.

Since 1991, we do not live in a white hat/black hat world.

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They have no herring to fish. Trees are all but gone too.

It was a lot easier when the pie was still intact wasn't it? Now its just a plate full of crumbs and what little is left is all concentrated into the hands of big companies.

Of course you're First Nations so you and your kids should have greater access to the pie than the rest of us.

But yes the herring fishing was good for awhile wasn't it?

Half Indian (it's what we call each other) . . . ro reserve, no card, no special privelages, no taxpayer money, no easy time in the courts, no healing circles (for the 'circle jerkers') . . . get the picture?  Hard work got me anything that I have.  And yes, the herring fishery was the wild west . . . I would take time off from logging to go fish. $$$

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Trees are not gone.  BC is full of trees.  Did you ever take a passenger plane from Vancouver to northwest B.C.  Thousands of square kilometers of untouched wilderness.  But the radical left and it's puppet NDP government puts regulations and preserved areas everywhere they can.  It's called the "Great Bear Rainforest", an environmental propagandist name.  There is no such thing as a "Great Bear Rainforest".  Rainforests are common on the B.C. coast.  They are everywhere.  No Great Bear Rainforest that is any different than the rest of the coast.

Then there is the red tape, stumpage fees, and regulations that make it hard for mills to be competitive.  How can we expect prosperity with an anti-industry, anti-resource NDP government in Victoria?  Our tax dollars must be used to pay FNs grants and privileges wherever the NDP can.  Then there are the cuts that must be paid to FNs for resource use.  That is the new challenge companies will face with UNDRIP.

Fear not PP will make everything right as rain in no time at all.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Half Indian (it's what we call each other) . . . ro reserve, no card, no special privelages, no taxpayer money, no easy time in the courts, no healing circles (for the 'circle jerkers') get the picture?

Ah, a self-loathing Indian.

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Hard work got me anything that I have.  And yes, the herring fishery was the wild west . . . I would take time off from logging to go fish. $$$

Same here.

[August1991]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Ah, a self-loathing Indian.

Same here.

Guys, get a room.

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Coyne reminds me of that PBS guy, Capehart - totally predictable.

You know what they are going to say before they say it - and you know that it is wrong.

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In all honesty, I was curious to see how Capehart moved from Biden to Harris. Soviet/Pravda style!