gatomontes99 Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 28 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Yes you did in 2016, I’m hoping you don’t do a repeat You guys have zero self awareness. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
BeaverFever Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 4 hours ago, Deluge said: Horse shit. All of it. Everyone knows you cultists want the entire f*cking planet beneath one globalist flag, but that just aint gonna happen. Stand in the way of American greatness, and you're going to have yourselves a war. LMAO it’s 100% correct and you unhinged response only proves me correct. You’re just another delusional right wing internet kook threatening violence in the name of national greatness….the key feature of the 20th century fascists. PS no way I want to be under the same flag as you American nutjobs or any other foreigners. That’s just more of your absolute batshit Just now, gatomontes99 said: You guys have zero self awareness. No I think you’re the delusional one. You havr zero awareness yourself or the real world. You let your cult leader dictate your beliefs to you. Quote
herbie Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 (edited) SIGNS OF FASCISM Powerful and continuing nationalism - CHECK Disdain for human rights - CHECK Identification of enemies as a unifying cause - CHECK Rampant sexism - CHECK Controlled mass media - CHECK Obsession with national security - CHECK Religion and government intertwined - CHECK Corporate power protected - CHECK Labor power suppressed - CHECK Disdain for intellectual and the arts - CHECK Obsession with crime and punishment - CHECK Rampant cronyism and corruption - CHECK They left out the glorification of some past era, the cornerstone of fascism. But whaddaya hear? Wah! The Dems check a couple of them, we check ALL so that means they are the fascists.... Edited July 20, 2024 by herbie Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: awwww look at you, rewriting history to try to bend it to something you can stomach Always so cute to watch, like a puppy chasing it's tail That’s not rewriting history it’s establishing history that Republicans don’t like and only in recent years have started revising. The south has always been conservative and the most racist part of the country. True today, true 150 years ago. There was a time when Democrats were the party of rural America and urban labourers (just as in Canada CCF/NDP were the party of rural Canada). The Republicans wee the party of industry commerce and heavily centred in the northeast. Socialism, the welfare state, etc that Republicans typically associate with today’s “left” barely even existed in the 1800’s at least not in North America and didn’t become relevant to American politics until well into the 20th century. The division was urban/rural and industry-labour. Given that, and Lincoln being Republican, the racist, staunchly conservative southerners wee Democrats who believed civil rights and desegregation were socialist plots to destroy American capitalism First they split from the Democrats to form the “States Rights Democratic Party in protest of Truman’s desegregation of the military. The leader of this party, Strom Thurmond, a KKK member and grandson of slave owners would later become one of the longest serving Republican Senators. Thurmond joined the Republican party in 1964 in protest over 1964 Civil Rights Act. Republicans Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon sought to capitalize on this. Nixon aid Kevin Phillips told the New York Times in 1970 that "Negrophobe" Whites would quit the Democrats if Republicans enforced the Voting Rights Act and blacks registered as Democrats. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#:~:text=Some southern Democrats became Republicans,and Mills E. Godwin Jr. 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: I mean the democrats - who still to this day attempt to win elections by dividing people based on race and ethnicity. Bullshit. Conservative policies divide people by race and ethnicity. Republicans like to say this, basically implying that non-white people aren’t intelligent enough to understand the real issues or their own interests…the inferior races have all been fooled , if only they’d understood that only their white saviours in the Republican Party can truly set them free. Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, herbie said: SIGNS OF FASCISM Powerful and continuing nationalism - CHECK Disdain for human rights - CHECK Identification of enemies as a unifying cause - CHECK Rampant sexism - CHECK Controlled mass media - CHECK Obsession with national security - CHECK Religion and government intertwined - CHECK Corporate power protected - CHECK Labor power suppressed - CHECK Disdain for intellectual and the arts - CHECK Obsession with crime and punishment - CHECK Rampant cronyism and corruption - CHECK They left out the glorification of some past era, the cornerstone of fascism. But whaddaya hear? Wah! The Dems check a couple of them, we check ALL so that means they are the fascists.... Yep. What typically differentiates fascism from other types of dictatorship or authoritarianism especially left wing dictatorships is its strict social conservatism and its close ties to industrialists, business leaders and tycoons. Edited July 20, 2024 by BeaverFever Quote
gatomontes99 Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: No I think you’re the delusional one. You havr zero awareness yourself or the real world. You let your cult leader dictate your beliefs to you. Really? The banana republic/authoritarian government was DJT? Who used social media to censor speech? Trump of Biden? Who was impeached, twice? Trump or Biden? Who invented Russian collusion charges? Trump or democrats? Who used 51 intelligence officials to create a false narrative about a lap top? Trump or Biden? Who used foreign intelligence assets to spy on the President Elect? Trump or Obama? Who suggested using a long forgotten and seldom used law to spy on an incoming president? Trump of Biden? Who used EO's to defy a SCOTUS ruling regarding student loan forgivenes? Trump of Biden? Who said he would use any means necessary to keep his opponent out of office and then illegally appointed a special counsel? Trump of Biden? I left some out. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CdnFox Posted July 20, 2024 Report Posted July 20, 2024 6 hours ago, Five of swords said: It's funny, you know, if it helps spread lawlessness when you tell people the truth about their situation and how the country works. Why would that spread lawlessness? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Five of swords Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Why would that spread lawlessness? Because a lot of people wouldn't like it Quote
Five of swords Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 4 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Yep. What typically differentiates fascism from other types of dictatorship or authoritarianism especially left wing dictatorships is its strict social conservatism and its close ties to industrialists, business leaders and tycoons. Lol. actually this has no relation whatsoever to fascism. Quote
CdnFox Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: That’s not rewriting history it’s establishing history It's rewriting history. Sorry kid - 'punch a nazi' was far and wide and involved punching a lot of people who weren't actually nazis. It was born out of hatred and intolerance and belief that violence is an acceptable answer if you don't like the other guy. It had nothing to do with nazis. EVERYONE'S a nazi if you don't like them - were you around when americana antifa was explaining all of this? Hell she thought JEWS in israel were nazis. Quote Bullshit. Conservative policies divide people by race and ethnicity. Nope, that was obama. He literally created the intersectional coalition. And kept on with the race divisions his whole term "If i had a son he'd look like travon martin". And the rest of the dems were no better. "Mit romney wants to put the black man back in chains". This is a democrat thing and it's hardly the first time in history that they've done it. It upsets you to hear the truth, but you are without a doubt rooting for the wrong side. THe republicans have their problems no doubt but it's nothing like the dems. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's rewriting history. Sorry kid - 'punch a nazi' was far and wide and involved punching a lot of people who weren't actually nazis. It was born out of hatred and intolerance and belief that violence is an acceptable answer if you don't like the other guy. It had nothing to do with nazis. EVERYONE'S a nazi if you don't like them - were you around when americana antifa was explaining all of this? Hell she thought JEWS in israel were nazis. Make up whatever bullshit you want, “punch a nazi” started after Charleston where multiple ACTUAL right wing Nazi groups marched and paraded in the streets including a night-time torch-carrying march chanting “jews will not replace us”. Others gave speeches in their Nazi regalia and red MAGA hats And then one of them drove his car into crowd of “left wing” counter-protesters killing a woman Besides you can’t make general comments about all liberals based on ANTIFA….I know you righties love to do that…..anymore than I can make comments about all conservatives based in the ACTUAL Nazis supporting Trump Edited July 21, 2024 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope, that was obama. He literally created the intersectional coalition. And kept on with the race divisions his whole term "If i had a son he'd look like travon martin". And the rest of the dems were no better. "Mit romney wants to put the black man back in chains". This is a democrat thing and it's hardly the first time in history that they've done it. It upsets you to hear the truth, but you are without a doubt rooting for the wrong side. THe republicans have their problems no doubt but it's nothing like the dems. Its true if Obama had a son he would look like Trayvonn Martin, whose killing was justified because he had facebook photos of him wearing a hoodie trying to look cool. Who was shot dead despite have not committed any crimes after he confronted a grown man following him. This republican myth is that before Obama there was no racism or that black people gladly accepted racism as their burden to bear due to the moral failings of their people, and that black people are so unintelligent they don’t know what’s going on or what’s in their best interest and will believe whatever democrats tell them. That’s a perfect example of Republicans’ racist views Quote
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who used social media to censor speech? Trump of Biden? Trump supporter Elon Musk 12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who was impeached, twice? Trump or Biden? Trump the criminal 12 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who invented Russian collusion charges? Trump or democrats? There is no crime called collusion and he wasn’t charged with any crimes related to it. . It is a fact that his campaign colluded with Russians and lied about their secret meetings. The purpose of the Mueller investigation was to determine if any of that collusion violated any actual criminal statutes Ot is also a fact that the investigation found that was Trump White House obstructed the investigation and it is also a fact that his attorney general protected him from Obstruction charges 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who used 51 intelligence officials to create a false narrative about a lap top? Trump or Biden? Those people wrote and signed that letter on their own. 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who used foreign intelligence assets to spy on the President Elect? Trump or Obama? Another false narrative. Trumps people wee meeting with Russian envoys and intelligence agents. Thos contacts were monitored and the Trump campaign officials were interviewed about their activities, in other words they wee told that their activities had been noticed by intelligence officials 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who suggested using a long forgotten and seldom used law to spy on an incoming president? Trump of Biden? Not sure what exactly this refers to but Trump himself was not spied on 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who used EO's to defy a SCOTUS ruling regarding student loan forgivenes? Trump of Biden? Once again your lack of knowledge and understanding is on full display. . SCOTUS didn’t forbid him from finding any way of forgiving any amount of student debt. Thats not how courts work. Divided along partisan lines, SCOTUS ruled that the president didn’t have authority to amend a particular piece of legislation, period. It also noted that a number of conservative states rely on predatory lending to students as a source of income and the legislation in question would unfairly deprive them of that profit. However the Biden team noted they were still able to forgive a significant amount of debt and interest within their existing authority simply through EO, which had been their “plan B”. They are in full compliance with SCOTUS. 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Who said he would use any means necessary to keep his opponent out of office and then illegally appointed a special counsel? Trump of Biden? More lies. In 2022, Biden was asked by a reporter how he can assure allies Trump wouldn’t come back to power. Biden’s exact quote was “I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.” In addition, the novel ruling of special counsels by a Trump loyalist the very first day after the assassination attempt will likely be overturned because special counsels have been used for decades, there is nothing illegal or unusual about the one prosecuting Trump. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 20 hours ago, robosmith said: Opposing mandated school bussing at the Federal level is is not racist. Harris was campaigning against Biden at that time. Many campaigners against Trump have said MUCH WORSE about HIM. Vance was NOT campaigning against Trump when he called Trump "America's Hitler." False equivalence, DUH. Only a true ^MAGA CULT adherent STILL BELIEVES FOS LIES. Just cause you make a list, does not make ANY of it true. Duh No...the facts make it true. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 11 hours ago, Five of swords said: Lol. actually this has no relation whatsoever to fascism. Sure it does. All fascists have been social conservatives obsessed with their definition of “traditional values” and “traditional culture” and traditional gender roles where women have a duty to be submissive housewives and men are expected to be the macho unchallenged “head of the family”. Every fascist regime also has enjoyed the support and collaboration of the financial/industrial economic elite. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 19 hours ago, Hodad said: @WestCanMan, is that you? Sorry, but a Gish gallop of lies about unrelated subjects still doesn't add up to an argument. Lol...actually and unfortunately for you Libbies...it's all plain old fact. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 16 hours ago, User said: So, you are a fascist too! Welcome to the club. These were your dumb rules. Live by them. LMAO what???! Not my my dumb rule, your dumb argument Quote
Five of swords Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 49 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Sure it does. All fascists have been social conservatives obsessed with their definition of “traditional values” and “traditional culture” and traditional gender roles where women have a duty to be submissive housewives and men are expected to be the macho unchallenged “head of the family”. Every fascist regime also has enjoyed the support and collaboration of the financial/industrial economic elite. I know people you trusted told you this but it simply isn't true. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: 1. Trump supporter Elon Musk 2. Trump the criminal 3. There is no crime called collusion and he wasn’t charged with any crimes related to it. . It is a fact that his campaign colluded with Russians and lied about their secret meetings. The purpose of the Mueller investigation was to determine if any of that collusion violated any actual criminal statutes Ot is also a fact that the investigation found that was Trump White House obstructed the investigation and it is also a fact that his attorney general protected him from Obstruction charges 4. Those people wrote and signed that letter on their own. 5. Another false narrative. Trumps people wee meeting with Russian envoys and intelligence agents. Thos contacts were monitored and the Trump campaign officials were interviewed about their activities, in other words they wee told that their activities had been noticed by intelligence officials Not sure what exactly this refers to but Trump himself was not spied on 6. Once again your lack of knowledge and understanding is on full display. . SCOTUS didn’t forbid him from finding any way of forgiving any amount of student debt. Thats not how courts work. Divided along partisan lines, SCOTUS ruled that the president didn’t have authority to amend a particular piece of legislation, period. It also noted that a number of conservative states rely on predatory lending to students as a source of income and the legislation in question would unfairly deprive them of that profit. However the Biden team noted they were still able to forgive a significant amount of debt and interest within their existing authority simply through EO, which had been their “plan B”. They are in full compliance with SCOTUS. 7. More lies. In 2022, Biden was asked by a reporter how he can assure allies Trump wouldn’t come back to power. Biden’s exact quote was “I’m making sure he, under legitimate efforts of our Constitution, does not become the next President again.” 8. In addition, the novel ruling of special counsels by a Trump loyalist the very first day after the assassination attempt will likely be overturned because special counsels have been used for decades, there is nothing illegal or unusual about the one prosecuting Trump. 1. LMAO, is that really how you want to start this? 2. Trump. And how many of those was he actually removed from office for? Zero. They were both b.s. 3.No collusion: Key takeaways from Mueller’s Russia findings Only those that are lost in liberal lala land think Trump colluded with Russia. 4. No they didn't: Morell was the one who organized the letter after a call from now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken. He said he did it to give Biden a 'talking point' in the lead-up to the 2020 election when Trump attacked him for the laptop that was later verified to be his son's. 5. Trump Really Was Spied On 6. By a vote of 6-3, the justices ruled that the Biden administration overstepped its authority last year when it announced that it would cancel up to $400 billion in student loans. The Biden administration had said that as many as 43 million Americans would have benefitted from the loan forgiveness program; almost half of those borrowers would have had all of their student loans forgiven. 8. So what if he qualified it? Look at his actions. He sent the #3 at the DOJ to be a prosecuter in NY. He met with the prosecutors in GA. He illegally appointed Jack Smith to be a special counsel. So what if he qualified it? 9. Special Counsels are supposed to be approved by Congress. Jack Smith was not. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
BeaverFever Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 Just now, Five of swords said: I know people you trusted told you this but it simply isn't true. How about some examples or evidence to back your claim? It’s certainly been true of every fascist so far. Scholars place fascism on the far-right of the political spectrum.[6][5][7] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[ … To appeal to Italian conservatives, fascism adopted policies such as promoting family values, including policies designed to reduce the number of women in the workforce—limiting the woman's role to that of a mother. The fascists banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state.[153] Although fascism adopted a number of anti-modern positions designed to appeal to people upset with the new trends in sexuality and women's rights—especially those with a reactionary point of view—the fascists sought to maintain fascism's revolutionary character, with Angelo Oliviero Olivetti saying: "Fascism would like to be conservative, but it will [be] by being revolutionary."[154] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Scholars place fascism on the,authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 16 hours ago, herbie said: SIGNS OF FASCISM Powerful and continuing nationalism - CHECK Disdain for human rights - CHECK Identification of enemies as a unifying cause - CHECK Rampant sexism - CHECK Controlled mass media - CHECK Obsession with national security - CHECK Religion and government intertwined - CHECK Corporate power protected - CHECK Labor power suppressed - CHECK Disdain for intellectual and the arts - CHECK Obsession with crime and punishment - CHECK Rampant cronyism and corruption - CHECK They left out the glorification of some past era, the cornerstone of fascism. But whaddaya hear? Wah! The Dems check a couple of them, we check ALL so that means they are the fascists.... Huh...what chickenshit. Gee it must be interesting to be reduced to the level of worms. How's all that dirt taste? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: LMAO what???! Not my my dumb rule, your dumb argument You were the one who said wanting your country to be great was fascism. Quote
User Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Trump supporter Elon Musk How so? X is one of the most open and free speech-friendly social media platforms of any significance. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Those people wrote and signed that letter on their own. Oh please, that letter was used by Biden... and then Biden lied during the debate about it all too. The entire left embraced that phony narrative. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Not sure what exactly this refers to but Trump himself was not spied on Only if you play games with what "spy" means. Clinton conspired to build opposition research with a dude using Russian sources, then the Obama administration used that same crap to go after Trump and spy on his campaign... then of course leak that dossier and that was used as the foundation for the years long efforts to get Trump on the crap Russian collusion BS. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: They are in full compliance with SCOTUS. This is a lie. Biden has bragged about defying them and his most recent efforts are once again getting stopped at the lower federal court levels right now. Biden is outright abusing his power to try to forgive debt as he has been. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: there is nothing illegal or unusual about the one prosecuting Trump. You clearly didn't bother to read anything from SCOTUS here. The issue was not the special counsel or the concepts of them being used. It was Jack Smith, how he was never appointed by Congress. Quote
Five of swords Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: How about some examples or evidence to back your claim? It’s certainly been true of every fascist so far. Scholars place fascism on the far-right of the political spectrum.[6][5][7] Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[ … To appeal to Italian conservatives, fascism adopted policies such as promoting family values, including policies designed to reduce the number of women in the workforce—limiting the woman's role to that of a mother. The fascists banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state.[153] Although fascism adopted a number of anti-modern positions designed to appeal to people upset with the new trends in sexuality and women's rights—especially those with a reactionary point of view—the fascists sought to maintain fascism's revolutionary character, with Angelo Oliviero Olivetti saying: "Fascism would like to be conservative, but it will [be] by being revolutionary."[154] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#:~:text=Scholars place fascism on the,authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. It has never been true of any fascist state. Consider your sources. Try doing a Google search and find out when women first gained the right to vote in Italy. Curious what you find. Edited July 21, 2024 by Five of swords Quote
CdnFox Posted July 21, 2024 Report Posted July 21, 2024 5 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Make up whatever bullshit you want, You talking to a mirror kiddo? Punch a nazi became an excuse for left wingers to use violence against anyone they didn't like. All you had to do is claim they were a nazi - which meant anyone you disagreed with as we have seen MANY times and discussed frequently here. The democrats and the left wing in general in this day and age are violent hateful angry people and your re-writing of history in an attempt to justify that anger hatred and violence is pathetic. Punch a nazi helped normalize violence on the left as an acceptable solution to people they don't like. Simple fact. Cope harder. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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