House passes bill to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote

[CdnFox]

House passes bill to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote (nypost.com)

 

This really needed to happen.  We'll see if biden vetos it. 

The us has to start making it hard to cheat. IT doesn't matter if people are cheating or not, if it's easy to cheat then people will assume there was cheating. 

The dems are sure pissed that it'll be hard for illegals to cheat tho   Makes you wonder

[Fluffypants]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

House passes bill to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote (nypost.com)

 

This really needed to happen.  We'll see if biden vetos it. 

The us has to start making it hard to cheat. IT doesn't matter if people are cheating or not, if it's easy to cheat then people will assume there was cheating. 

The dems are sure pissed that it'll be hard for illegals to cheat tho   Makes you wonder

It will never see Biden's desk Schumer will keep it buried and never get a vote on it.

[West]

What's telling is how many democrats opposed it

[Michael Hardner]

It seems like a good idea until old white people who don't know where their birth certificate is get denied at the polls.

The details seem tenuous too.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems like a good idea until old white people who don't know where their birth certificate is get denied at the polls.

The details seem tenuous too.

The US has been moving to a Real ID for some time now and last I checked, it was required to fly (unless you are an illegal immigrant err... I meant, person claiming asylum who will soon be an illegal immigrant and the US is shuttling you around the country)

Just amazing that for almost every common thing you do in life you need an ID, but when it comes to voting, it is always OMG, how will people ever be able to do that?!

 

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, User said:

Just amazing that for almost every common thing you do in life you need an ID, but when it comes to voting, it is always OMG, how will people ever be able to do that?!

 

Lots of videos of pissed off people at traffic stops, airports... who are Karen-ing because they're trying to go without ID.  Next up will be voters.

Also the "Digital ID" has been opposed by grassroots conservatives and this would be a requirement of a national ID I think. would

[West]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems like a good idea until old white people who don't know where their birth certificate is get denied at the polls.

The details seem tenuous too.

Voting is a right of citizens only. How else do you propose that a citizens vote doesn't get watered down or effectively canceled by an illegal who is ineligible to cast a ballot?

Edited July 11, 2024 by West

[User]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lots of videos of pissed off people at traffic stops, airports... who are Karen-ing because they're trying to go without ID.  Next up will be voters.

Also the "Digital ID" has been opposed by grassroots conservatives and this would be a requirement of a national ID I think. would

Quantify... "lots" of videos.

I travel a lot, I have yet to see anyone show up at the airport without Real ID. It is pretty explicit that you need this to travel. 

Also... are you not familiar with Real ID? I am not talking about a digital ID or any national ID card. They are essentially your standard state issues ID card, but they took extra validation steps, such as a birth certificate. 

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Voting is a right of citizens only. How else do you propose that a citizens vote doesn't get watered down or effectively canceled by an illegal who is ineligible to cast a ballot?

They don't care. 

Also, this isn't even the real problem. The real problem is that all these illegal immigrants are counted on the census and they give more power to the Congressional representation count. So... when California welcomes in a million illegal immigrants, they get more seats in Congress. 

[West]

3 minutes ago, User said:

They don't care. 

Also, this isn't even the real problem. The real problem is that all these illegal immigrants are counted on the census and they give more power to the Congressional representation count. So... when California welcomes in a million illegal immigrants, they get more seats in Congress. 

Your point about them not caring is probably true, though I want to hear that directly from them why citizenship no longer has value in their minds

More taxpayer funding too. 

Kinda like when they let the rioting get out of control and then cash in on insurance and government funds

Edited July 11, 2024 by West

[Rebound]

This is completely unacceptable because Republicans are proven untrustworthy.

Obama didn’t just provide his birth certificate, he provided a signed letter from the Secretary of State of Hawaii stating that he had personally seen the original copy of Obama’s birth certificate in the state archives… yet Republicans, including Trump, continued to state that his birth certificate was faked. 

So…. NO DEAL. I will never trust Republican voting officials to make honest assessments of voters’ citizenship.  Absolutely no way.  

Edited July 11, 2024 by Rebound

[User]

33 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Obama didn’t just provide his birth certificate, he provided a signed letter from the Secretary of State of Hawaii stating that he had personally seen the original copy of Obama’s birth certificate in the state archives… yet Republicans, including Trump, continued to state that his birth certificate was faked. 

You should change your name to Revisionist. 

It took several years before he released his long-form birth certificate. 

Either way, what politicians think about this or its stupidity has nothing to do with any legal process that checks people's citizenship. 

Nice attempt at a dodge though. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

Voting is a right of citizens only. How else do you propose that a citizens vote doesn't get watered down or effectively canceled by an illegal who is ineligible to cast a ballot?

You are framing the question in the wrong way.  How many actual citizens will be unable to vote vs. illegal immigrants allowed to vote is the question.

You wouldn't take away the rights of many to ensure that a handful didn't vote, I think.

[User]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are framing the question in the wrong way.  How many actual citizens will be unable to vote vs. illegal immigrants allowed to vote is the question.

You wouldn't take away the rights of many to ensure that a handful didn't vote, I think.

If they are actual citizens, why would they be unable to vote?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, User said:

If they are actual citizens, why would they be unable to vote?

They forgot their ID, thought they had it on voting day but couldn't find.  

Lots of reasons.

If you have an envelope with your name on it, like an official letter, that counts for something I believe.  So lots of actual citizens might show up without ID.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are framing the question in the wrong way.  How many actual citizens will be unable to vote vs. illegal immigrants allowed to vote is the question.

You wouldn't take away the rights of many to ensure that a handful didn't vote, I think.

zero.  Virtually every single citizen can aquire the required id. It's not hard. 

IF you want to suggest some program to make it easier for people to do it for some reason then fine. But there's no reason in the slightest anyone wouldn't be able to with a pretty minimal effort. 

[User]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

They forgot their ID, thought they had it on voting day but couldn't find.  

Lots of reasons.

If you have an envelope with your name on it, like an official letter, that counts for something I believe.  So lots of actual citizens might show up without ID.

So... they are able to vote. 

It is a matter of circumstances in their control or unforeseen things that have nothing to do with proof of citizenship than can happen to anyone when they are trying to vote. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They forgot their ID, thought they had it on voting day but couldn't find.  

Then vote at one of the advanced polls to prevent that. That way if you forget you can go the next day. 

That's the stupidest reason ever.  If you're going to vote be responsible enough to bring your id. 

We do this already in canada and it has never been an issue. 

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Lots of reasons.

Not a single one. 

 

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you have an envelope with your name on it, like an official letter, that counts for something I believe.  So lots of actual citizens might show up without ID.

Then they need to go home and get their id.   In canada  you need picture id, OR they'll accept TWO official letters with your name on it such as a phone bill or hydro bill etc,  OR you can even have someone who is assigned to that riding who HAS proved their id sign a document that they know you live in the riding and are a citizen.  

If someone still can't vote with all of those choices then then that's their CHOICE, not a problem with the system. They chose not to be responsible enough to bring their id, they chose to wait till the last minute, etc 

It's like saying that the system is  unfair because you have to go all the way to the polling station.  What if you had a flat tire?   Or that you had to mail something in.  What if you don't feel like walking to the post office box?  If you can't be responsible enough to vote, then you choose not to vote. 

[ironstone]

Of course people should have to show some form of valid ID in order to vote. Why do the Democrats oppose showing ID to vote but not for a range of other things?

[reason10]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems like a good idea until old white people who don't know where their birth certificate is get denied at the polls.

The details seem tenuous too.

You put superior thinkers on ignore just because they hurt your feelings when you lose an argument, and then you UTTER SUCH AN IGNORANT, SCREWBALL IDEA?

Are you high on meth?

 

Do you know ANY old person in America who does NOT have his/her license, Social Security Card,  Medicare Card in his/her wallet? Seriously? Have you EVEN thought this one out as much as your other nutty ideas?

Oh, and the law is not about a birth certificate at polling places. The Hawaiian FORGERY of Saddam Hussein Obama's fake birth certificate should clue you to that.

The law is for PHOTO ID. Anybody can get a PHOTO ID.

The state of CaliFAGula even gives ILLEGAL ALIENS driver's licenses, so THOSE animals can get a photo ID and violate election law.

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lots of videos of pissed off people at traffic stops, airports... who are Karen-ing because they're trying to go without ID.  Next up will be voters.

Also the "Digital ID" has been opposed by grassroots conservatives and this would be a requirement of a national ID I think. would

So you want a thug who steals a car and doesn't have a driver's license to be able to vote? SERIOUSLY?

Doesn't that discriminate against the vast majority of us who OBEY the law?

[West]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are framing the question in the wrong way.  How many actual citizens will be unable to vote vs. illegal immigrants allowed to vote is the question.

You wouldn't take away the rights of many to ensure that a handful didn't vote, I think.

I dont think it's as big of an issue to provide your birth certificate. Elections are every 2 years so you'd have ample time to get the right ID.

I think allowing non citizens to vote is in effect a form of voter suppression 

[Deluge]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

House passes bill to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote (nypost.com)

 

This really needed to happen.  We'll see if biden vetos it. 

The us has to start making it hard to cheat. IT doesn't matter if people are cheating or not, if it's easy to cheat then people will assume there was cheating. 

The dems are sure pissed that it'll be hard for illegals to cheat tho   Makes you wonder

That's a step in the right direction, but they really need to get busy with the border. 

4 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

It will never see Biden's desk Schumer will keep it buried and never get a vote on it.

Trump will pick it up next year. 

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, West said:

What's telling is how many democrats opposed it

The democrats are building a new voter base through mass illegal immigration. 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, West said:

1. I dont think it's as big of an issue to provide your birth certificate. Elections are every 2 years so you'd have ample time to get the right ID.

2. I think allowing non citizens to vote is in effect a form of voter suppression 

1. There are lots of Trump supporters who don't normally vote and may not be plugged into the latest regulations.  I will say this: for sure some legal Trump voters will be denied the vote due to this setup.
2. As i said, it's entirely dependent on numbers.

[West]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There are lots of Trump supporters who don't normally vote and may not be plugged into the latest regulations.  I will say this: for sure some legal Trump voters will be denied the vote due to this setup.
2. As i said, it's entirely dependent on numbers.

1. It's not denied the vote. Everyone is able to order a new birth certificate and typically takes 3-4 weeks

2. Non citizens shouldn't be voting