21 Arab nations declare their support for Hezbollah, a terrorist organization and proxy for Iran

[blackbird]

Big Win For Hezbollah; Major Declaration By Saudi, 21 Arab Nations In Favour Of Lebanese Group | Watch (msn.com)

"The Arab League has announced it no longer considers Hezbollah a terrorist organization, reflecting a shift in regional priorities amid ongoing tensions between Israel and Hezbollah. This decision comes as the threat of a potential war looms, with Hezbollah actively engaging in hostilities against Israel. The Arab League's move indicates a significant change in stance, given Hezbollah's influence in Lebanon and the broader geopolitical landscape.  Big Win For Hezbollah; Major Declaration By Saudi, 21 Arab Nations In Favour Of Lebanese Group "

Is this pushing the middle east closer to a regional war?  This appears to be a major blow to Israel.  Will this embolden Hezbollah?

 

[jatt47]

Why's it our problem? 

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, jatt47 said:

Why's it our problem? 

This region of the world is becoming less and less relevant as time passes by.

With fossil fuels being extracted locally in the West, with advancements in technologies when it comes to energy, we could cut off this entire part of the World and we would face a little bump in prices for a few years, and everything would come back to normal for us after a few years.

Saudi Arabia will not be able to fund its State any longer and will face coups after coups, a bloody civil war will happen there 100% in the next 20-25 years maximum to a scale like we've seen in Syria. Iran will try to remain in control of the Persian Gulf and its proxies in competition to the Saudis. Egypt will collapse from bad governance within a few years. Israel is led by extremists who are pushing for more wars. Lebanon is basically a shell of what is was in the 1960s and will never be what is was before.

Caring about this part of the World and actually act upon it geopolitically is the equivalent of a jackass putting his virile member in the hornest nest and shaking it throughly. There is nothing to gain from doing this stupidity. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Is this pushing the middle east closer to a regional war? 

Finally you mean? It's about time they buried their hatchets, preferably in one another's heads.

Hopefully they knock themselves back into the stone age to the point the rest of the world can get on with more important issues that actually matter.

[CDN1]

3 hours ago, jatt47 said:

Why's it our problem? 

Because we're importing it.

[Venandi]

Questions like this scare me:

3 hours ago, jatt47 said:

Why's it our problem? 

And it's because answers like this go ignored, deflected and unheeded:

48 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Because we're importing it.

I would suggest that woke liberal values are fundamentally incompatible with Islamic values.

I would also suggest that in general, fundamental Islam is also incompatible with secular democracy, but that's something that can be made to work if all parties muster the tolerance and goodwill currently NOT on display in Canada... I doubt that can happen now.

 At a dirt level threshold of consideration, I predict the tolerance and goodwill I refer to will never even manifest itself on this forum... or even this thread.

You would have to believe that there is some magical transformation that occurs on touchdown in Canada, something in the wind or water that modifies human nature. You can even stand this on its head... most long duration expats working in wealthy Islamic states live in expat communities / compounds / apartments.

If you've never been there the why of it is worthy of some reflection IMO.  

Do they do it by choice?

Are they compelled to do it?      

Here's the thing though, it doesn't matter what the answer is, what matters is that it is what it is... and what really matters is that it actually matters to the people living it.

 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Venandi

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Because we're importing it.

We're also fuelling it...after having a big hand in cultivating it that is.

[Venandi]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

We're also fuelling it...after having a big hand in cultivating it that is.

How's the time machine repairs going?

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

How's the time machine repairs going?

The clock is broken all the time now.

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Caring about this part of the World

Actually there are many reasons why this region of the world is important to the west.

The Middle East is important for several reasons1234:

Rich in natural resources, including vast petroleum reserves.

Strategically located as a tricontinental hub, facilitating trade, transportation, and cultural exchanges.

Historical significance due to its role in history and its importance to Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

Religious importance.

Incredible culture.

9 Reasons Why The Middle East Is Important - Global Affairs Explained

Some of the comments on here show a complete lack of knowledge.  In fact they are less than serious.  They come on the forum just to insult and throw garbage around.

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually there are many reasons why this region of the world is important to the west.

The Middle East is important for several reasons1234:

1. Rich in natural resources, including vast petroleum reserves.

2. Strategically located as a tricontinental hub, facilitating trade, transportation, and cultural exchanges.

3. Historical significance due to its role in history and its importance to Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

Religious importance.

Incredible culture.

9 Reasons Why The Middle East Is Important - Global Affairs Explained

4. Some of the comments on here show a complete lack of knowledge.  In fact they are less than serious.  They come on the forum just to insult and throw garbage around.

 

1. Oil and gas are now extracted in the West, in safer, stabler countries as well as South America which develops itself well. Venezuela also has the biggest petroleum reserves in the World and are gradually opening to the international markets again and there have been dozens of discoveries worldwide that make the dependence to the Middle East wane a lot.

2. The Houthis practically blocked the Suez Canal. Boats get around it and nothing happened. It's at the crossroads of the trade between the East and the West, and it manages to be almost irrelevant. And it will become even more in the future, because regional instability will rise over time; yes, even worse than it already is.

3. Ok, and what does it provide to us? They destroy continually the cultural heritage built in millennia. We don't have to get involved to protect a monument or a structure. We are not in 1066 in the West. The Middle East is in the 900s.

4. Not wanting to die or sacrifice ourselves for lands 10000km away from us is not a lack of seriousness. It actually is a reasonable approach. The economical significance of this region is soon to be null. The security of this region is at the bottom, and it will dig its hole even lower. The cultural significance is worthless; even the locals themselves destroy each other at every occasion and want more destruction.

We have been involved in the Middle East for so long. It's shown its results. No one wants to die to instill democracy for Iranian women or to protect an "ally" that continually back-stabs us (see USS Liberty incident among others).

Let. Them. Have. It.

I'm not going to support a war for the interests of the Saudi family or the rich in Tel Aviv.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:18 AM, jatt47 said:

Why's it our problem? 

Because then our government takes tens of thousands of them as refugees in our land like they did with Syrians and we have to pay for it.

[WestCanMan]

The good news is we're only 21 nukes from sensibility. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

After finishing off Hamas it will be Hezbollah's turn and then their murderous bastards (masters) in Tehran. 

Edited July 8, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

After finishing off Hamas it will be Hezbollah's turn and then their murderous bastards (masters) in Tehran. 

Hezbollah is a giant step up from Hamas militarily (not as humans lol - they're equally evil). 

Hamas is like a bunch of weeds in a small, unwatered garden that doesn't get a lot of sunlight, but Hezbollah is an open field of weeds that are getting fertilized and watered every day. 

One of the toughest things about defeating Hezbollah will be rounding up the collective will to do so. While muslims have been frothing at the mouth for 80 years to get a chance to commit genocide against the Jews in that region, and they have the added excuse of 'Hamas victims' to rally around now, there's no great reason to attack Hezbollah aside from the fact that the Israelis know what they're trained to do.

90% of westerners have no clue what Hezbollah is there for. That level of evil isn't mainstream here, so people can't comprehend that you'd be able to gather an army of 100,000 people who are solely committed to committing genocide.  

How many people do we know over here who joined a military organization so that they could bash babies' brains in? Just the ones who joined islamic state, that's it. Over here we join the military to protect our country, not to wantonly slay women and children, but that's hezbollah's game plan. It's what gets them up in the morning, and motivates them to work out and train in the desert heat. They want to slaughter civilians. It's an army of genocidal bigots. 

Try to convince a guy like @eyeball of that. He thinks Hamas and Hezbollah are heroes. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Hezbollah is a giant step up from Hamas militarily (not as humans lol - they're equally evil). 

Hamas is like a bunch of weeds in a small, unwatered garden that doesn't get a lot of sunlight, but Hezbollah is an open field of weeds that are getting fertilized and watered every day. 

One of the toughest things about defeating Hezbollah will be rounding up the collective will to do so. While muslims have been frothing at the mouth for 80 years to get a chance to commit genocide against the Jews in that region, and they have the added excuse of 'Hamas victims' to rally around now, there's no great reason to attack Hezbollah aside from the fact that the Israelis know what they're trained to do.

90% of westerners have no clue what Hezbollah is there for. That level of evil isn't mainstream here, so people can't comprehend that you'd be able to gather an army of 100,000 people who are solely committed to committing genocide.  

How many people do we know over here who joined a military organization so that they could bash babies' brains in? Just the ones who joined islamic state, that's it. Over here we join the military to protect our country, not to wantonly slay women and children, but that's hezbollah's game plan. It's what gets them up in the morning, and motivates them to work out and train in the desert heat. They want to slaughter civilians. It's an army of genocidal bigots. 

Try to convince a guy like @eyeball of that. He thinks Hamas and Hezbollah are heroes. 

What people in the West especially their elected politicians don't realize is that the root of all these problems whether Hamas or Hezbollah is the Islamic Republic hated home and abroad. The West must get united and cut off the head of octopus and its legs in Gaza and Lebanon and Yemen will die too. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What people in the West especially their elected politicians don't realize is that the root of all these problems whether Hamas or Hezbollah is the Islamic Republic hated home and abroad. The West must get united and cut off the head of octopus and its legs in Gaza and Lebanon and Yemen will die too. 

Why did 21 Arab states declare their support for Hezbollah then? 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Why did 21 Arab states declare their support for Hezbollah then? 

I am assuming because Hezbollah is both Arab and Muslim so for an Arab state it may be suicidal if they oppose Hezbollah  openly but in reality all these Arab states are divided and their corrupt undemocratic oppressive regimes hate each other.

Iran is quite different though. Iranians are not Arabs and the majority of its people hate both Hezbollah and the Islamic Republic. They hate the regime for supporting Palestinians at the expense of poverty at home. The regime stays in power by mass intimidation, murder, torture and imprisonment of opponents and there is a strong movement inside Iran to overthrow this shiite based murderous regime.  Islamic Republic supports terrorism all over the world. They are the cancerous organ and must be taken out at any cost. This must be a priority for Trump upon election. To make middle east and the whole world safer and more prosperous, the Islamic Republic must be removed.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

To make middle east and the whole world safer and more prosperous, the Islamic Republic must be removed.

America can aide with a regime change, but in the end, the most evil 10% of the population will just cow the other 90% again, and ten years from now the Iran war will just be remembered as "'Muricans killing Arabs again", as is the case with every other ME war.

If you offer the most evil 10% war brides, 12 yr-old 2nd-4th wives, plunder and slaves and they'll walk through fire for you. Among that 10% no level of depravity is too much in the name of the cause. It's all good as long as they get the slaves and all the wives they were promised.

Among the 90% there's self-flagellation if a cow is killed as collateral damage. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

America can aide with a regime change, but in the end, the most evil 10% of the population will just cow the other 90% again, and ten years from now the Iran war will just be remembered as "'Muricans killing Arabs again", as is the case with every other ME war.

If you offer the most evil 10% war brides, 12 yr-old 2nd-4th wives, plunder and slaves and they'll walk through fire for you. Among that 10% no level of depravity is too much in the name of the cause. It's all good as long as they get the slaves and all the wives they were promised.

Among the 90% there's self-flagellation if a cow is killed as collateral damage. 

I have no idea what you are talking about. What you wrote may be true about a backward nation such as Afghanistan but not true about highly educated secular democracy seeking nation of Iran.

There is democratic movement in Iran that the West must support against the regime. Nobody talked about Americans killing Arabs (I told you many times that Iranians are not Arabs) or anyone but a complete blockage of Iranian oil from Iran and goods for Iran. The West has the military capability to block Iran from sea and air to bring down the regime within months as a bankrupt regime will be unable to pay its mercenaries to crackdown on the rising nation inside Iran. Not a single soldier on Iranian soil. Not a single casualty on either side. I have to get this message to Trump somehow.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

After finishing off Hamas it will be Hezbollah's turn and then their murderous bastards (masters) in Tehran. 

Hamas and Hezbollah would go down a lot easier and possibly even surrender if Iran was dealt with first.

In fact though, Iran will go Scot free leaving the door wide open for the next Hamas/Hezbollah that Israel is busily laying the foundations for.

[CITIZEN_2015]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hamas and Hezbollah would go down a lot easier and possibly even surrender if Iran was dealt with first.

In fact though, Iran will go Scot free leaving the door wide open for the next Hamas/Hezbollah that Israel is busily laying the foundations for.

I agree with first part as why I said the head of the octopus is in Tehran. Remove this murderous Islamic regime and terrorism will end in middle east and possibly most of the world. This must become a priority for Trump and I want to find a way to convey this message to him as how to do it without bloodshed.

Yes unless the West wakes up and realize the reality and takes concrete steps to cut the head of the octopus instead of its legs, the octopus will live and grow new legs.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I have no idea what you are talking about. What you wrote may be true about a backward nation such as Afghanistan but not true about highly educated secular democracy seeking nation of Iran.

There is democratic movement in Iran that the West must support against the regime. Nobody talked about Americans killing Arabs (I told you many times that Iranians are not Arabs) or anyone but a complete blockage of Iranian oil from Iran and goods for Iran. The West has the military capability to block Iran from sea and air to bring down the regime within months as a bankrupt regime will be unable to pay its mercenaries to crackdown on the rising nation inside Iran. Not a single soldier on Iranian soil. Not a single casualty on either side. I have to get this message to Trump somehow.

1. My bad, if you told me Iran wasn't an Arab nation before I missed it, and I do stand corrected.
2. So where do I find evidence of all these secular democracy-seekers in Iran? Are there enough of them, and do they have the necessary resolve, to actually peel back dark-ages barbarism?
3. What makes Persians (or whatever you call Iranians) so different from Arabs? I'll confess to near-total ignorance here. Is it much more than Farsi vs Arabic? Are Persians and Turks (non-Arabs as well) very far apart? 

Edited July 8, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

After finishing off Hamas it will be Hezbollah's turn and then their murderous bastards (masters) in Tehran. 

Huh...

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. My bad, if you told me Iran wasn't an Arab nation before I missed it, and I do stand corrected.
2. So where do I find evidence of all these secular democracy-seekers in Iran? Are there enough of them, and do they have the necessary resolve, to actually peel back dark-ages barbarism?
3. What makes Persians (or whatever you call Iranians) so different from Arabs? I'll confess to near-total ignorance here. Is it much more than Farsi vs Arabic? Are Persians and Turks (non-Arabs as well) very far apart? 

2 - Google search women life freedom .........One recent evidence among a thousand more.

There are plenty of evidence, the latest being the fact that last week an overwhelming majority of Iranians refused to take part in the sham presidential elections. The Ayatollahs had called on the nation and urged them to vote in order to show the world its legitimacy but based on the lies announced by the regime itself only 40% voted (and the true figure is as little as 15%). 

The slogan is Death to ruling shiite Islamic clergy and their mercenaries on streets.

3 - I have to write a book to answer this but in summary, Arabs are bunch of desert born camel riders with no history and no civilization, whereas Persians have 2500 years of history dominating half the world 2500 to 1500 years ago (the other half by Romans) for ten centuries. Cyrus brought in the very first charter of human rights 2500 years ago. Persians are originally Aryans (before being mixed with inferior invaders), whereas Arabs are Semitics. Persians have totally different culture and calendar and history and geography and celebrations like Noruz, Yalda and Tirdad. Persians speaking Farsi which is different with Arabic. 

Yes Turks are non-Arabs too and have different language and culture than Iran. Their recent history (only 200 years ago) was also a brutal empire. Because they are Muslims, their history is full of brutality like the massacre of Armenians. 

Edited July 8, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015