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[Venandi]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The west has known for 1,400 years that Islam does not work in any western country.

Ya, in 624AD it was the talk of the town in Ottawa and Washington.

[Goddess]

Tolerance has become synonymous with a complete lack of good judgment.

[Venandi]

16 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Tolerance has become synonymous with a complete lack of good judgment.

And it seems those commodities remain in short supply even as those who lack them proclaim their wealth in both.

Maybe equilibrium is attained when the woke left and hard right both disagree with you.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Venandi

[CITIZEN_2015]

55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's no evidence that Muslims don't integrate.  Why would there be?  Is there something biologically different about human brains that follow a different religion?  No.

I am talking about Muslim extremists and I don't know what percent of Muslims are like that BUT It is in contradiction with Western democracy and values. How can an ISIS or Islamic Republic or Taliban supporter or believer who believes and acts upon his beliefs that women have no rights and bar and nightclubs should be closed, and freedom has no place in society and underage girls should marry and other religions looked down upon or banned and persecuted and gays should be hanged can integrate with our society. Don't close your eyes to be politically correct. It is not the brain structure which is the problem but what has been brain washed over 1400 years.

Edited June 24, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

  How can an ISIS or Islamic Republic or Taliban supporter ... integrate with our society. 

They don't.  But the facts show Muslims do.  And we shouldn't fall into lazy thinking on that.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

They don't.  But the facts show Muslims do.  And we shouldn't fall into lazy thinking on that.

Are they your facts or you have evidence to show them? 

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They don't.  But the facts show Muslims do.  And we shouldn't fall into lazy thinking on that.

I don't think any amount of reasoning will change your mind.  Your mind is tightly controlled by the woke cult and liberal multicultural ideology.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think any amount of reasoning will change your mind. 

You'd have to have a clue what reasoning is, and I've seen none but from MH. You can't even grasp that the immigrants are leaving there to get away from that bullshit, not coming here to spread it.
Just like your grandparents did, to get away from war, poverty, famine, oppression.

Yet your childish response is usually to call anyone that points that out the dumb one..... or worse, repeat the logical flaw pointed out to you in your own argument simply by repeating it over and over.

Edited June 24, 2024 by herbie

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

Ya, in 624AD it was the talk of the town in Ottawa and Washington.

Which would have been impressive considering how not only did those cities not exist, neither did the muslim religion  

While like most religions it's roots go back farther, most agree muslims came about in the 700'th century. 

But  that doesn't actually alter the fact that it really hasn't been working  

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think any amount of reasoning will change your mind. 

You'd have to have a clue what reasoning is

And you'd have to have a mind. 

Given the huge number of borderline violent protests we've seen it's more than reasonable to say that many of them do intend to 'bring it here' with them. 

In addition, you think maybe some of the hamas people might use it as an excuse to get away to live to fight another day? Any sane person would expect that and how do you do background checks for it when the criminals control the gov't?

Give your head a shake. It's a very reasonable and sensible concern .

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

You'd have to have a clue what reasoning is, and I've seen none but from MH. You can't even grasp that the immigrants are leaving there to get away from that bullshit, not coming here to spread it.
Just like your grandparents did, to get away from war, poverty, famine, oppression.

Yet your childish response is usually to call anyone that points that out the dumb one..... or worse, repeat the logical flaw pointed out to you in your own argument simply by repeating it over and over.

We know people are often trying to get away from war, poverty, famine, oppression, but we also should know many of these people are totally incompatible with western Judeo-Christian civilization.  Lots of them were allowed into France and England and now there are no-go zones because radical Islamists control the areas.  There have been terrorist attacks also by some of these people.  Not to mention 9-11 when a group of them killed over 3,000 people in New York. 

Why have you not been concerned about the large number of Palestinian / Hamas supporters protesting in Canada and spreading hate toward the Jews?   Wake up.  When will you people ever learn?  They don't fit in here.  You and MH don't seem to understand that.  

Edited June 24, 2024 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Are they your facts or you have evidence to show them? 

Are you asking for evidence that Muslims can assimilate into Western culture?  Yes, specifically the natural multiculturalism of the US as per Pew attitudinal research.

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think any amount of reasoning will change your mind.  Your mind is tightly controlled by the woke cult and liberal multicultural ideology.

I actually have evidence, ie. not from the bible.  Not sure if you accept facts outside scripture.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Just like your grandparents did, to get away from war, poverty, famine, oppression.

 

Or to work and offer prosperity and happiness to ones family.

 

I'm thinking of the devout Muslim boss I had, working in cloud technology, who escaped Kuwait.  He came to Canada and lists his pronouns - he/him/his - in his email signature.

Some of us can focus on what is important and see the cynical manipulation (from both sides, if you must) of identity politics.

I'd much rather debate how to improve the economy.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are you asking for evidence that Muslims can assimilate into Western culture?  Yes, specifically the natural multiculturalism of the US as per Pew attitudinal research.

I actually have evidence, ie. not from the bible.  Not sure if you accept facts outside scripture.

The fact which cannot be disputed is Islam is completely contrary to the Bible and Christianity.  It is contrary to western Christian culture upon which much of our laws and practices rest.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fact which cannot be disputed is Islam is completely contrary to the Bible and Christianity.  It is contrary to western Christian culture upon which much of our laws and practices rest.

Except they have the bible and Jesus as part of their religion.  There's a contradiction for you.

Even Christianity itself was subject to conversion to corporate capitalism.  Otherwise, money lending, keeping the sabbath and such would still be considered sins.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Except they have the bible and Jesus as part of their religion.  There's a contradiction for you.

Not at all.  Islam is totally contrary to the Bible and Christianity.  I don't know where you get your ideas, but it is wrong.

quote

The Muslims are worshiping the same false god that people have been worshiping since early times as far back as Israel's beginnings.

Most importantly, Muslims say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!  Muslims will admit that Jesus Christ was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah (although some Western Muslims will say He was anointed), they will deny that He was God manifested in the flesh as of the Son of God (John 1:14), and they will deny that He died on the cross and rose again.  Does that make sense?  Absolutely not! That belief cannot be truth because Jesus Christ Himself said He was the Messiah, and said He was the Son of God!

John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs!  How twisted is that?  But it’s a lie believed by one and a half billion people.  We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again.  This is the gospel!    unquote

Islam in the bible - Islam will rule the world (prophecyandtruth.com)

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The fact which cannot be disputed is Islam is completely contrary to the Bible and Christianity.  It is contrary to western Christian culture upon which much of our laws and practices rest.

As is the Tanakh, The Torah, Analects of Confucius, the Rig Veda, the Dhamma-Pada and so many other religons and religious holy books you narrow minded fool

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not at all.  Islam is totally contrary to the Bible and Christianity. 

Ah well, shows what I know about religion.  The ones I know seem nice for sure... Cheers.

[blackbird]

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ah well, shows what I know about religion.  The ones I know seem nice for sure... Cheers.

quote

The word Islam means "submission".  Not only in the sense of submission to Allah, but in the sense of making everyone submit to the rule of Islam.  Islam is about subduing the world and making it submit.  The Muslims believe that Mohammed is the exemplar of right conduct.  They aspire to be like him in the same manner that Christians aspire to be like Jesus.  Mohammed said to spread, through warfare, the rules of Islam.  Mohammed became increasingly violent during his career and spent 10 years in Medina creating an army to overthrow his homeland, Mecca, after he was ran off by the pagans in 622 AD.  He killed thousands of people and subdued Arabia through war.  Muslims are encouraged to commit acts of heroism in combat.  They are promised that those who kill and are killed will be rewarded with paradise.  This is the basis for suicide bombers.  They believe that since they are killing while they are killed that the sin of suicide is covered by the martyrdom of their action and, as such, they will be rewarded in heaven.  Islam is a religion of political rule, a system of government.  It is not about a personal relationship with Allah, it is about bringing the world under submission to its rule.  unquote

Islam in the bible - Islam will rule the world (prophecyandtruth.com)

Notice Islam is to be spread by violence, force, political action or any means possible.

Christianity is not to be spread by such means, but simply by the preaching of the gospel and the Word of God, the Bible.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

As is the Tanakh, The Torah, Analects of Confucius, the Rig Veda, the Dhamma-Pada and so many other religons and religious holy books you narrow minded fool

Perhaps if you studied the Bible, you might know it is the word of God and all others you mentioned are man-made inventions, i.e. false religion.  What part of the world did you come from that makes you have such animosity against the Bible and Christianity?  Or is there some other reason?

" 21  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. "  2 Peter 1:21

"16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"  2 Timothy 3:16

[Goddess]

On 6/23/2024 at 9:26 AM, WestCanMan said:

It's not just that, there is an insane level of bigotry and hate-mongering coming from the muslim community here. 

Their anti-Semitic messaging is deceptive and laced with hateful, violent intent. The fact that they could chant about the glory of Oct 7th right in our nation's capital without drawing the ire of our media is alarming.

'Yemen, Yemen, make us proud': Anti-Israel protesters in Toronto pledge support to Houthi militants (msn.com)

Anti-Israel demonstrators marched on Saturday and pledged their support to the Houthi rebels......

The political slogan of the Houthis is: “God is great, Death to America, death to Israel, damnation to the Jews, victory to Islam.” 

[Goddess]

Michael Higgins: Trudeau ensured influence of IRGC will be felt in Canada for decades (msn.com)

Mojdeh Shahriari said the IRGC have been able to spread their tentacles into Canadian academia and professional institutions and have been working to undermine the social and cultural fabric of the country.  

“It’s influencing the political and the social landscape of Canada. It’s influencing the youth and mobilizing them against Western values, against Canadian security, in very subtle way and sometimes in very overt ways,” said Shahriari, co-founder of StopIRGC, a group of lawyers and volunteers dedicated to uncovering the extent of Iranian influence.  

She said a “lax immigration” system had allowed IRGC members, their families as well as Iranian officials, from the very top to mid-level, to get visas to Canada and establish themselves here.  

Edited June 24, 2024 by Goddess

[Goddess]

New pro-Palestinian encampment sets up in downtown Montreal public square | Watch (msn.com)

The outrage and pearl-clutching when someone at the convoy draped a Canadian flag around the Terry Fox monument....

but actual defacing and spray-painting of Canadian monuments by supporters of Hamas.....🙄

This govt tells you who to hate.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

New pro-Palestinian encampment sets up in downtown Montreal public square | Watch (msn.com)

The outrage and pearl-clutching when someone at the convoy draped a Canadian flag around the Terry Fox monument....

but actual defacing and spray-painting of Canadian monuments by supporters of Hamas.....🙄

This govt tells you who to hate.

Well in fairness there are no bouncy castles so....  threat level zero i'd say. 

[herbie]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

these people are totally incompatible with western Judeo-Christian civilization

So you admit your own prejudice out loud, but can't see it yourself. Just as you can't see your inability or refusal to distinguish sympathy for Palestinian people from support of Hamas as another flaw in reasoning.

Reasoning requires one to distinguish fact from what you (want to) believe.