Gay Pride Season.

[PIK]

Right now in my town,the gay flag is flying higher then the maple leaf and the flags around our cenotaph. They wanted the town to paint benches and crosswalks, and when people said no, they called the town homophobic. And who gave them the right to take the rainbow as their own. Made a beautiful thing political and ugly. They are losing support with this militant attitude.

 

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is what politics has become. Those who are willing to scream the loudest and the longest win...regardless of common sense.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Trans women are about as vocal as they come.

Politicians are as spineless as they come. Its a match made in heaven.

Shaming works. When you can get someone in politics to fear mentioning what a woman is, your shaming tactics have worked.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, PIK said:

they called the town homophobic.

I would push back with ordering all municipal buildings to have brass handles shaped like penises installed effective immediately.

Want to thrust your identity politics in my face, how about I remind you of it every time you open a door. Fair is fair. Plus the doors would reduce the likelihood of pathogens to be transmitted due to the natural antimicrobial properties of the material.

All paid for with higher taxes. So the irony of penises on doors, while making Canadians bend over for political correctness.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, PIK said:

 They wanted the town to paint benches and crosswalks, and when people said no, they called the town homophobic. And who gave them the right to take the rainbow as their own. 

Clearly they don't have the right, or local government would have allowed A public celebration of some kind. 

I guess if local government decided to shut down Remembrance Day celebrations that would be allowed also.

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

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Want to thrust your identity politics in my face, how about I remind you of it every time you open a door. 

You know... Your side won this fight, so you seem to be still angry about it. 

And I say your side because you want everyone to keep quiet about their sexuality, presuming that means asexuality too. Which I also know about. From you. 

I don't think you know anything about my sexuality.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I do not and will not celebrate skin colours or sexual preference. That's just fckin' stoopid!

It would be more economical to celebrate a national amputee day, and give employees a half day off work.

If you laughed, you're going to hell. 

I just think celebrating the superficial creates more division.

I would rather go to a Russell Peter's show or Andrew Schultz, and laugh about our idiosyncrasies, vs get offended at everything just about all of us are thinking.

I get on an aircraft and 20 people get in wearing niqabs,  and am getting just as nervous as a white woman with me walking up to her late night in baggy swear pants and sweater with a bandana over my nose and mouth.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. How in blazes would someone know that? How would you measure such a thing? And why would you want to? It's not hard to imagine where the measurement of social benefit provided by groups would lead. 

2. Those people took down the symbols because they were pressured as well. This is called politics. If you don't want to allow pressure to put them up, then you have to not allow pressure to take them down. And now you're measuring the utility, social benefit, of people's opinions. 

3. I think they are invited.  I think they have to pay for policing too. And I think they get grants too. And I think tourists come. In other words, it's the same soup of private, public, tourist money and involvement as everything. 

4. Happy non-pride.  😄🏴

1. I am , without doing Google populations searches that there waaaaay more Blacks than sexually challenged people.

2. Yes, they were, by majority, pressured to take down the pride flags because folks are very upset at kowtowing to a very small minority and for an entire month too.

3.You are incorrect, In GTA and here in Ottawa (and probably elsewhere), unformed police were actually banned from participating but it was OK for them to crowd control and protect while in uniform. A most hypocritical decision by a group whining and wanting inclusion. As for people coming to see, are you saying they, the pride people,  want to be gawked at???

4. I could not care who you are boinking or if you want to dress up as a squirrel but, do I have to know? Do I have to celebrate? No, but it is difficult to get away from it. I even have to see flags on every public building. Do I have to even see public displays of your fetishes? We do not "celebrate" or "display" or have a month for heterosexual activities. Hey, do what you want but do not demonstrate it publicly....for a whole month.

To be fair, I am not in favour of public demonstrations of any kind but am even more of those that seem to want months of display.

I am not homophobic in the slightest, I am look-at-me-and-what -I -am-phobic. I do not care who you are, what you do or who and why you are boinking someone

 

Edited June 10, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You know... Your side won this fight, so you seem to be still angry about it. 

If by "angry" you mean jokingly making tongue in cheek comments, guilty as charged.

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

you want everyone to keep quiet about their sexuality

If what you're asking for is ridiculous, you should be made fun of.

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't think you know anything about my sexuality.

You're conflating openly stating my sexuality, to rubbing it in your face.

You've mentioned my asexuality more than I have. O_o

I don't think a single person is protesting gay people for coming out. Trans people for coming out. 

If this is what you feel people are upset about, you read a room like Stevie Wonder.

[PIK]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Clearly they don't have the right, or local government would have allowed A public celebration of some kind. 

I guess if local government decided to shut down Remembrance Day celebrations that would be allowed also.

You know... Your side won this fight, so you seem to be still angry about it. 

And I say your side because you want everyone to keep quiet about their sexuality, presuming that means asexuality too. Which I also know about. From you. 

I don't think you know anything about my sexuality.

Bringing remembrance day into this is totally pathetic. You should be ashamed for even thinking that.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Clearly they don't have the right, or local government would have allowed A public celebration of some kind. 

I guess if local government decided to shut down Remembrance Day celebrations that would be allowed also.

 

Many shut down Canada today. You know, because Canada is such a terrible place that was so mean to everybody and doesn't deserve to exist. That was allowed.

Any comment on that?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

1. I am , without doing Google populations searches that there waaaaay more Blacks than sexually challenged people.

2. Yes, they were, by majority, pressured to take down the pride flags because folks are very upset at kowtowing to a very small minority and for an entire month too.

3.You are incorrect, In GTA and here in Ottawa (and probably elsewhere), unformed police were actually banned from participating but it was OK for them to crowd control and protect while in uniform. A most hypocritical decision by a group whining and wanting inclusion. As for people coming to see, are you saying they, the pride people,  want to be gawked at???

4. I could not care who you are boinking or if you want to dress up as a squirrel but, do I have to know? Do I have to celebrate? No, but it is difficult to get away from it. I even have to see flags on every public building. Do I have to even see public displays of your fetishes? We do not "celebrate" or "display" or have a month for heterosexual activities. Hey, do what you want but do not demonstrate it publicly....for a whole month.

To be fair, I am not in favour of public demonstrations of any kind but am even more of those that seem to want months of display.

5. I am not homophobic in the slightest, I am look-at-me-and-what -I -am-phobic. I do not care who you are, what you do or who and why you are boinking someone

 

1. Ok, excuse me then.  You added the part about providing benefits to society but you're talking about sheer numbers.  It's a different kind of fallacy to take a numbers approach though.  We celebrate people for all kinds of reasons.  

2. You seem to be using numbers again.  It's a fallacy to do so.  I would submit that more people support such ideas than not.  That's why we have banks as such with Pride banners.  But not in the Middle East.

3. Yes but they are invited out of uniform. And they are paid to police by the event itself.. 

4. You can make that argument for all kinds of holidays, but why? Why would you? Because at the heart of it, you don't like the holiday. That's it. If you don't like rainbow flags, don't look at them, wear sunglasses and they will appear black.  Pride does not celebrate sex acts, it celebrates inclusion.

5. My guess is that you're more homophobic than you realize but it's up to you to tell me.  Unlike many on here, I accept your self report.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Venandi said:

Indeed...

And it's breathtaking to me that this seems to be such a difficult concept for some people to download. I can't help but wonder what benefit woke boosters hoped to achieve by alienating the very people whose tolerance and good nature helped them achieve the freedoms they now seek to force on others via "mandatory participation."

 

By and large those people are not interested in the community they profess to care about. Their benefit is that they get strong social standing inside their advocacy community and it helps raise money. Like most things it's about power and cash. Certainly isn't helping the gays are the trans.

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It seems to me that some (actually many) people who initially supported transgender / gay rights out of tolerance, respect and good nature now feel duped and regret extending that support in the first place. In terms of measurable backlash, the real question for activists to reflect on is "what did you think was going to happen?"

It seems bizarre, all ya had to do to was nothing, live your life, quietly enjoy the freedoms gained, not be crazy, mind your own business and extend that same courtesy to others. 

 

For the activists, there's no money or power in just living their lives. I'm sure many gays and trans would love to just live their lives and not have this fuss made but if they speak out and say that then they are ostracized in their own community. With a dull ostracizer.

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I think most people simply assumed that was the goal and that's what they thought they were supporting. I perceive that there's now an underlying sense of betrayal and that's what's fuelling the backlash. There's a potential cost associated with that (I'll call it) betrayal too, in future, the respect, tolerance and goodwill freely given will likely be replaced suspicion, intolerance, and division... not a good trade IMO.

In short, what seems to have gotten lost here is a simple concept wisely summarized below, something I thought was a given in Canada:

 

Sure. There was a deal. We don't worry about what you do in your bedroom or how you live your life, and you don't worry about ours or force us to participate in yours.

This was the main argument when conservatives forming the new party federally clashed. The majority outspoke the social conservatives and said we have no business telling them what to do. That's in keeping with the conservative ideals of personal freedom and responsibility. And that's fine, we won. Now here they are telling us what we have to do and demanding how we live our lives. And therein lies the problem and people do feel that it's inappropriate

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, excuse me then.  You added the part about providing benefits to society but you're talking about sheer numbers.  It's a different kind of fallacy to take a numbers approach though.  We celebrate people for all kinds of reasons.  

2. You seem to be using numbers again.  It's a fallacy to do so.  I would submit that more people support such ideas than not.  That's why we have banks as such with Pride banners.  But not in the Middle East.

3. Yes but they are invited out of uniform. And they are paid to police by the event itself.. 

4. You can make that argument for all kinds of holidays, but why? Why would you? Because at the heart of it, you don't like the holiday. That's it. If you don't like rainbow flags, don't look at them, wear sunglasses and they will appear black.  Pride does not celebrate sex acts, it celebrates inclusion.

5. My guess is that you're more homophobic than you realize but it's up to you to tell me.  Unlike many on here, I accept your self report.

Michael, I am fully aware of your lgbtqqprs+++  support and so be it.

I do hope that you have the courtesy of respecting us that do not.

In my opinion, only mine, mine alone (maybe), I do not care to support a very minority sexual alternative folks. I even more do not care or want to see public displays of their fetishes.

You can play your points is bigger than my point till you are blue in the face. I do not support lgbtqrs+++ in any way. As I said I am even less supportive of their look-at-me-and-what -I -am parades and festivities. And most of all, I despise the fact they are deeming themselves important enough to claim and entire month of worship.

Oh and are you in some way implying the pride month is a holiday???  I suggest to you that this month does more to demean than to support.

Lastly, accusing me of being homophobic because I do not support them or you is very belittling of you. I do not like the proud boys but am not groupophobic, liver but am not a liverphobe. I do not like tequila but am not tequilaphobic. There are many things and even groups that I do not like but that does make me phobic in any way.

As I said, I am quite anti pound your chest types of people and groups and the queer nation is quite adept at making themselves  look or be discriminated against. I t hey don't want attention about their sexual fetishes and games, shut up and stop parading and advertising.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

1. I do hope that you have the courtesy of respecting us that do not.

2. I do not support lgbtqrs+++ in any way.

3. I despise the fact they are deeming themselves important enough to claim and entire month of worship.

4. Oh and are you in some way implying the pride month is a holiday???  I suggest to you that this month does more to demean than to support.

5. Lastly, accusing me of being homophobic because I do not support them or you is very belittling of you.

 

1. Of course.

2. Noted.

3. Worship?  No... But noted.

4. Sorry, celebration is more correct.

5. I did not do that. I accept what you tell me.

I tell people that I'm conservative, and I ask them to accept that. However. Just like people who tell me I'm not conservative suspect that I'm not, I can't change their minds.

And I can suspect whatever I want of you. But I accept what you say. I just wish people accepted me the way I accept your claims. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I tell people that I'm conservative, and I ask them to accept that. However. Just like people who tell me I'm not conservative suspect that I'm not, I can't change their minds.

You absolutely could. All you would have to do is match your actions to your words. Because your actions don't match your words people doubt your words.

Honest people know this instinctively. Your words and your actions have to match to be taken seriously and yours don't

[Black Dog]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

So, can anyone explain to me as to why we must keep celebrating this gay pride stuff? Is there really a good reason for having what they are now calling a gay pride "Season" and have this kind of season pushed on us all, not for a month, but it seems forever.

Guy who constantly fills his diaper over not having a white history month crying about another group getting recognized lmao boo hoo.

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Guy who constantly fills his diaper over not having a white history month crying about another group getting recognized lmao boo hoo.

When he used to be known as Mr. Canada, he posted that he was going to Pride to videotape sex acts. Search it.

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When he used to be known as Mr. Canada, he posted that he was going to Pride to videotape sex acts. Search it.

IS THAT HIM LMAOOOOOOOO

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In a free society people should be free to celebrate gayness if they choose, or free to not celebrate it or voice their disagreement about it.

Agreed. However, I don't see why governments should fund these things. And I don't see why we should be exempting the gay pride parade from normal laws around things like indecent exposure.

[Black Dog]

42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Lastly, accusing me of being homophobic because I do not support them or you is very belittling of you. I do not like the proud boys but am not groupophobic, liver but am not a liverphobe. I do not like tequila but am not tequilaphobic. There are many things and even groups that I do not like but that does make me phobic in any way.

Not liking gay people is the literal definition of homophobia my guy.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

4. You can make that argument for all kinds of holidays, but why? Why would you? Because at the heart of it, you don't like the holiday. That's it. If you don't like rainbow flags, don't look at them, wear sunglasses and they will appear black.  Pride does not celebrate sex acts, it celebrates inclusion.

Pride week/day/month is not a holiday of any kind. And the pride people seem quite content to exclude anyone they deem to have views or professional affiliations they dislike. That most especially includes gays and lesbians who do not accept the entirety of the trans agenda.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

1. Pride week/day/month is not a holiday of any kind.

 

2. And the pride people seem quite content to exclude anyone they deem to have views or professional affiliations they dislike.

3. That most especially includes gays and lesbians who do not accept the entirety of the trans agenda.

1. Yes, I retracted my point on that, but it really doesn't matter. 

2. Yes, and lots of people exclude them too. Too. As is their right. 

3. This might be a good point, however, you're/we're now going to use the term agenda to make sure everything is cloudy and undefinable...

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Not liking gay people is the literal definition of homophobia my guy.

It is not at all. 

The homophobia definition is the fear, hatred, discomfort with, or mistrust of people who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

What is homophobia? (plannedparenthood.org)

And really it should  have added BECAUSE they're gay rather than just anyone who is for any reason. 

Simply "not liking" someone is not being "phobic" about them. 

Yeash. 

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is not at all. 

The homophobia definition is the fear, hatred, discomfort with, or mistrust of people who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.

What is homophobia? (plannedparenthood.org)

And really it should  have added BECAUSE they're gay rather than just anyone who is for any reason. 

Simply "not liking" someone is not being "phobic" about them. 

Yeash. 

We're talking about "not liking" an entire group of people, dipshit. I don't like you, but I'm not "loser with no life" phobic, but if I said I didn't like the people of your racial or ethnic background, that would make me a bigot.

Edited June 10, 2024 by Black Dog

[ExFlyer]

44 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Not liking gay people is the literal definition of homophobia my guy.

Who and where and when did I say I did not like gay people dolt???

I worked with quite a few. Have relatives and friends that are gay.

I say and said I do not like pride month or the outward display of their sexuality and...my gay colleagues, friends and relatives do not either. Some of them are even embarassed by the display.

Read what is written, not what you imagine is written.

[Black Dog]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who and where and when did I say I did not like gay people dolt???

I worked with quite a few. Have relatives and friends that are gay.

I say and said I do not like pride month or the outward display of their sexuality and...my gay colleagues, friends and relatives do not either. Some of them are even embarassed by the display.

Read what is written, not what you imagine is written.

C'mon man:

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Lastly, accusing me of being homophobic because I do not support them or you is very belittling of you. I do not like the proud boys but am not groupophobic, liver but am not a liverphobe. I do not like tequila but am not tequilaphobic. There are many things and even groups that I do not like but that does make me phobic in any way.

Also what "outward display of sexuality" are you talking about, are you one of those cishet people who thinks pride parades are non stop f*ck fests?