Should we be confident law enforcement will deal with MPs who allegedly worked as spies or agents for foreign powers?

[blackbird]

Deputy PM, Chrystia Freeland, reportedly said she has confidence law enforcement will deal with these MPs.  Do you think we should have confidence that such will be the case?

So far we have heard little to nothing.  I don't think that law enforcement has even said they are investigating this.  Perhaps there are national security reasons why we are not being told anything.  Time will tell.

The other question is do Canadian voters have a right to know who has been working for foreign powers so that we can vote with some knowledge?  Because we live in a parliamentary democracy and must choose by election our MPs, it seems an absolute necessity that Canadians will have to be informed who was involved in this and what happened.  This strikes me as fundamental to our democracy to know what is going on with the people we send to Parliament to govern us.

[myata]

The short answer? No. We can't because it never happened here, like: ever.

[ironstone]

No. This Liberal government won't do a thing because it's likely that they benefit more than any other party.

[Michael Hardner]

https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/special-report-foreign-interference.pdf

72. Foreign actors also targeted party leadership campaigns. [*** Three sentences were deleted to remove injurious or privileged information. The sentences described two specific instances where PRC officials allegedly interfered in the leadership races of the Conservative Party of Canada. ***]220 22

This is a new one on me.  The Liberals had the Chinese vote in their own man in Don Valley North but that was a safe seat.  A party leadership race is more substantial.

Yes, they need to absolutely release the files and ABSOLUTELY ban offshore news propaganda on YouTube, TikTok etc.

And - to add - BAN foreign ownership of news generating organizations 100%.

Edited June 8, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[suds]

It seems that with the nomination process we are a 'soft target' that openly invites foreign interference.

• 'Nomination processes are not directly regulated or safeguarded by Federal or Provincial legislation, nor Elections Canada.'
• 'Canada does not criminalize interfering in nominations, leadership races, or any other political party process.'
• Nomination processes are governed by different rules of each party. Breaking of these rules is not illegal.
• Some parties allow non-citizens to register as party members and to vote in nominations as long as they live in the riding. (CSIS contends it's relative easy to alter documents that indicates one's place of residence.)

As the report indicates (especially in safe ridings), it's relatively easy to interfere in Canada's elections without interfering in the actual election itself (where the nominee wins a seat). And we wonder why foreign interference is so rampant. This might be a good place to start in tightening things up.

Edited June 8, 2024 by suds

[suds]

On 6/6/2024 at 7:49 AM, blackbird said:

The other question is do Canadian voters have a right to know who has been working for foreign powers so that we can vote with some knowledge? 

Absolutely, once verified by intelligence sources. As Canadians we have the right to know the truth.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, suds said:

It seems that with the nomination process we are a 'soft target' that openly invites foreign interference.

Yep.  I can't figure out why Don Valley North isn't being talked about more.

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yep.  I can't figure out why Don Valley North isn't being talked about more.

The reason Canada is an easy target for authoritarian countries like China is because our system is completely open to the world and there are so many laws and practices that keep it open.  China on the other hand is not open.  Their system is an Orwellian system of absolute submission and control.  It is an authoritarian country which is strictly and tyrannically and I might add, controlled by one party, the CCP's central committee and chairman.   It is Chairman Mao's party which believes they are god and will not countenance any other god or competition. Did you know they have statues and pictures of Chairman Mao throughout the country?  He is like a kind of prophet of Communism that must be obeyed and worshiped.

But anything in the world that enhances their vision of authoritarianism in the world and control over everyone else is supported and approved of.  They view open democratic systems with human rights and freedoms as a threat to their own system.  That is why they can never really be trusted and at peace with the west, although I admit we must do everything we can to try to come to some sort of peaceful understanding and agreements.  However, if they are infiltrating our countries institutions and increasing control, and attacking the west with a virus, that changes the whole picture.  Perhaps we should be moving away from them, and reducing trade and all ties and influences.

Welcome to the new world. 

What is amazing is Canada's retired head of the Supreme Court of Canada is now a judge on a court in Hong Kong which is part of China.

"“(The CFA) has supported the regime’s crackdown on dissent and endorsed moves to strip away defendants’ rights. In several cases … the foreign judges have even voted directly to imprison political dissidents.”

Yet McLachlin remains.

I suspect her stubborn refusal to hear reason will embolden a school of thought that holds Supreme Court judges should be made to retire for good from legal affairs once they leave the bench."

Chris Selley: Beverley McLachlin drags us all down with her in China (msn.com)

Edited June 8, 2024 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

No we cannot. 

But as we've seen that's not the biggest problem. The problem is that the gov't receiving the benefit is actively working to cover up and ignore it. 

[I am Groot]

We've known since the CSIS leaks that a bunch of MPs got help from the Chinese and that the Chinese even funneled money through a provincial MPP who redistributed it to China friendly candidates. Heard anything about charges there? Nope. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

We've known since the CSIS leaks that a bunch of MPs got help from the Chinese and that the Chinese even funneled money through a provincial MPP who redistributed it to China friendly candidates. Heard anything about charges there? Nope. 

For that matter have you even heard about new laws that would make things like that illegal as they have in Australia and the US which was recommended to the government when this all broke?

Nope.

Clearly the liberals were hoping to get one more elections worth of free money from the Chinese out of this before they did anything

[taxme]

On 6/6/2024 at 4:49 AM, blackbird said:

Deputy PM, Chrystia Freeland, reportedly said she has confidence law enforcement will deal with these MPs.  Do you think we should have confidence that such will be the case?

So far we have heard little to nothing.  I don't think that law enforcement has even said they are investigating this.  Perhaps there are national security reasons why we are not being told anything.  Time will tell.

The other question is do Canadian voters have a right to know who has been working for foreign powers so that we can vote with some knowledge?  Because we live in a parliamentary democracy and must choose by election our MPs, it seems an absolute necessity that Canadians will have to be informed who was involved in this and what happened.  This strikes me as fundamental to our democracy to know what is going on with the people we send to Parliament to govern us.

It is my personal opinion that sweet azz all will happen to these traitors to Canada. We are living in a Marxist like country, where like living in any Marxist country, only the elite big wigs in the liberal party will get off Scott free, but don't you dare try and do the same thing. It will be off to the gulag for you. 

We do live in a two tier system. If one is in the globalist elite club circle, then they have no worries. We, in the club, look after each other. The Joe and Mary six packs do not need to know anything about what we do or what goes on. That is our club secret. 

The conservative party can try all they want to get to the bottom of this spy stuff but we should know by now that it will go nowhere. It will be all for show. Aw well, carry on Canada. 👎

[CdnFox]