impartialobserver Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Just now, User said: It is not racism because it is art though. Racism would be producing Braveheart and refusing to hire any black writers, black stage hands, black people to help with production, black people to help with editing... that is racism. Hiring white people to play what would otherwise be white people in real life is just that. Not sure if you have really answered the question yet. So, are you saying you want the market to punish what they disapprove of regarding racism in a restaurant or that there should be laws and regulations and rights that prevent a restaurant from only hiring and serving white people? Not sure how much more clear I can be... I think that you keep rehashing this because I will not tell you what you want to hear or give you much needed affirmation. I am ok with folks being racist (overtly or not) when it comes to art because 1. I have the option to not consume it 2. Do not need such art and 3. art is subjective. Restaurants do not fit those three items listed above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, User said: Well, it is silly and convoluted to conflate the pride flag with this particular book. They are two separate things. Neither belong in the classroom in K-12 education. The classroom is not a teacher's personal political soapbox where they are free to hang whatever advertisements or support they wish, nor should they. As for the book... the political left in America has been pushing that smut into the K-12 classrooms and demanding it stay when folks on the right discovered it among many other LGBTQ smut books the left has been putting in their schools. You can have LGBTQ books, fiction, and other writings by LGBTQ folks without the constant need to sexualize it all... Well, unless I missed it, the discussion here was not about merely living with folks whose morals disgust us, it is whether or not they get to push their crap onto all the kids in a classroom. Certainly they are two separate things, thanks. The pride flag should not be controversial though. Students should know that they are safe and supported regardless of sexual orientation and that's the message it sends. It can help young people to hear that message and it is no capacity to harm, so there should be no problem with a pride flag. That book, on the other hand, is rather explicit. Is it used or available in schools? Who knows, because it's been presented with all the thoughtfulness we're used to I here, I guess the intention is to imply that it's not only in schools, but that it's in the kindergarten classroom next to Dr. Suess. That seems very unlikely. Perhaps it's part of sex education curriculum? Which is where we get into reasonable conversation. It's 2024. Our children live in a world of information with unlimited graphic, sexual content just a click away--and they are watching it. However I think we can all agree that pornography does not model healthy, caring relationships or safe and appropriate sexual behavior. In that context, do you see any argument for why an illustrated story that models safe practices and consensual sex has value? Is there a case for sex-positive counterprogramming to give young people a healthier perspective on sex than they get from their smartphones? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Not sure how much more clear I can be... I think that you keep rehashing this because I will not tell you what you want to hear or give you much needed affirmation. I am ok with folks being racist (overtly or not) when it comes to art because 1. I have the option to not consume it 2. Do not need such art and 3. art is subjective. Restaurants do not fit those three items listed above. Well, I am giving you every opportunity to be clear with my questions. You could start by answering them more directly. I keep rehashing because, just like now, you are not doing so. I have no need to keep beating a dead horse though, since you are not going to. I think I get your position, even though I can't quite get you to define it more specifically. Edited April 29 by User Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, User said: Well, I am giving you every opportunity to be clear with my questions. You could start by answering them more directly. I keep rehashing because, just like now, you are not doing so. I have no need to keep beating a dead horse though, since you are not going to. I think I get your position, even though I can't quite get you to define it more specifically. I have stated it 3 times... if you do not like my answer then move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: 1. Yes it is. I think that you have a problem with folks not agreeing with you. 2. When Disney cast a black woman in the little mermaid.. you were probably upset and it really bothers you that it was not a flop. It could have done better but it was not a complete bomb either. I watched it and thought it was meh! 3. but it is up to studio to produce it and take the risk that it will not be a success. 1. It's not a problem, it's motivation. If someone disagrees with my point of view then I want to find out why. See, in your case I've been finding out why you don't have a problem with politically charged rewrites - it's because you know the Left is likely to retaliate for you simply expressing your opinion, so you've conditioned yourself to be on the Left's good side before you even open your mouth. 2. Here is yet another example of your inner leftist. You decided to try and peg me as a racist when I've already explained, in some detail, why politically charged rewrites are complete shit. Nice work, comrade. 3. Beating a dead horse here. It's obvious that they have the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: You can read it into as much as you want, make assumptions, and such but I said what I said. If the story is good.. the racial composition of the cast is unimportant. Much like a restaurant.. if the chef/cook is white, black, mexican, vietnamese means nothing. If the food tastes good then that is what i want to know. What if the story sucks? What if the food sucks? Then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Deluge said: 1. It's not a problem, it's motivation. If someone disagrees with my point of view then I want to find out why. See, in your case I've been finding out why you don't have a problem with politically charged rewrites - it's because you know the Left is likely to retaliate for you simply expressing your opinion, so you've conditioned yourself to be on the Left's good side before you even open your mouth. 2. Here is yet another example of your inner leftist. You decided to try and peg me as a racist when I've already explained, in some detail, why politically charged rewrites are complete shit. Nice work, comrade. 3. Beating a dead horse here. It's obvious that they have the choice. 1. I come at from the viewpoint of creative control. If I was a content creator (author, musician, filmmaker, playwright, etc), I would like to think that I can say whatever I want. Now, if I will have an audience or not.. that is for society to decide. If I want to be woke then so be it. Plenty of other options out there.. whether you believe it or not. Again.. for example i do not like rap/hip-hop. If I listen to an artist and I pick up on them having electronic/hip-hop elements.. I quit listening. It is about being a true first amendment advocate not just for those forms of expression that I approve of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Deluge said: t's true. Would you like to meet some of them? I think CdnFox might, he didn't seem to get the memo that Nazis and commies are real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impartialobserver Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Deluge said: What if the story sucks? What if the food sucks? Then what? If the story sucks.. well then I stop watching it. For example, I find the current run of Marvel movies to be snooze-fests. As for food.. you simply stop going to the restaurant or write a negative review. There is a mexican restaurant .1 miles from my house and we gave it one chance.. that was enough. I eat Mexican at home often and can make things like tamales, pozole, chile relleno, and pupusas easily. This place... pretty bland stuff and so I decided i would rather make it myself or go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I'm sure the voices in your head are telling you that somehow makes some sort of sense but..... I'm just going by what your little buddy deluge has to say. You guys should get your narratives straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 Just now, impartialobserver said: 1. I come at from the viewpoint of creative control. If I was a content creator (author, musician, filmmaker, playwright, etc), I would like to think that I can say whatever I want. Now, if I will have an audience or not.. that is for society to decide. If I want to be woke then so be it. Plenty of other options out there.. whether you believe it or not. Again.. for example i do not like rap/hip-hop. If I listen to an artist and I pick up on them having electronic/hip-hop elements.. I quit listening. It is about being a true first amendment advocate not just for those forms of expression that I approve of. I can't stand rap/hip-hop, either, so I also ignore it. I can't stand politically charged rewrites but in this case I am going to close my wallet, spread the word, and pray for its failure. I am doing this because political activists have twisted beloved stories into political piles of shit and people like me are not going to put up with it. People like you not only put up with it, but in many cases actually enjoy it. Do you see the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: 1. I come at from the viewpoint of creative control. If I was a content creator (author, musician, filmmaker, playwright, etc), I would like to think that I can say whatever I want. 2. Now, if I will have an audience or not.. that is for society to decide. 1. EXACTLY. And political activists want the same creative control. They want to take a story, twist it all to shit, and then spew it at the audience. Clearly you enjoy this process, so you don't see where the problem is. 2. Again, no shit. YOU decide to take it in anyways, and I throw it back in the creators faces. Do you see the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: If the story sucks.. well then I stop watching it. So do I. I also take it a few steps further because I'm not passive like you. I actually have a problem with political activists hijacking the entertainment industry, and I get the word out. Edited April 29 by Deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, Hodad said: Certainly they are two separate things, thanks. The pride flag should not be controversial though. Students should know that they are safe and supported regardless of sexual orientation and that's the message it sends. It can help young people to hear that message and it is no capacity to harm, so there should be no problem with a pride flag. That book, on the other hand, is rather explicit. Is it used or available in schools? Who knows, because it's been presented with all the thoughtfulness we're used to I here, I guess the intention is to imply that it's not only in schools, but that it's in the kindergarten classroom next to Dr. Suess. That seems very unlikely. Perhaps it's part of sex education curriculum? Which is where we get into reasonable conversation. It's 2024. Our children live in a world of information with unlimited graphic, sexual content just a click away--and they are watching it. However I think we can all agree that pornography does not model healthy, caring relationships or safe and appropriate sexual behavior. In that context, do you see any argument for why an illustrated story that models safe practices and consensual sex has value? Is there a case for sex-positive counterprogramming to give young people a healthier perspective on sex than they get from their smartphones? Of course the Pride flag is controversial. You might see it as a symbol as safety and support, but it is obviously more than that. It is a symbol representing the entire movement in many regards, including support for not just students, but the ideology. It is a political promotion in a classroom. The classroom can be inviting and welcoming without such symbols. Would you be OK with the Christian flag in the classroom? How about the Pro-Life Flag? Yes, as I already said in my response, that book is in classrooms: "As for the book... the political left in America has been pushing that smut into the K-12 classrooms and demanding it stay when folks on the right discovered it among many other LGBTQ smut books the left has been putting in their schools. " No, it is not merely a part of sexual education. They put the book in the school library for students to read. What grade is it appropriate for children to read about strap on dildo sucking and other gay sex fetishes? One of these books the left is putting in schools is a guide on how to use anal butt plugs and the gay hook up site. Because we need anyone in K-12 to learn about that? No. That is smut doesn't belong in any K-12 school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think CdnFox might, he didn't seem to get the memo that Nazis and commies are real. Why didn't you reveal yourself to him? People like to know who the enemy is, especially when they are communists or Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 33 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm just going by what your little buddy deluge has to say. I have a very difficult time believing he said that i keep nazis and commies under my bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think CdnFox might, he didn't seem to get the memo that Nazis and commies are real. ???? When exactly did i deny nazis or commies exist? I mean we fought a war against the one and of course i know commies exist, i talk to you every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm just going by what your little buddy deluge has to say. You guys should get your narratives straight. If you went by what I said then you'd already be repenting of being a left-wing cultist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 35 minutes ago, Deluge said: Why didn't you reveal yourself to him? DUDE!!?!?! Are you TRYING to give me nightmares?!?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: DUDE!!?!?! Are you TRYING to give me nightmares?!?!! He is somewhat of a freak, isn't he. You may want to get or update any firearm permits if you haven't already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: I have a very difficult time believing he said that i keep nazis and commies under my bed. So the reference to commies, Nazis and beds that lefties use to mock the right wing's obsession with commies and Nazis is something you've never ever encountered before - it's a brand new concept to you? LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: ???? When exactly did i deny nazis or commies exist? I mean we fought a war against the one and of course i know commies exist, i talk to you every day Well there you go. You obviously lost the wars and now you think woke is worse? So how do you manage to get out of bed in e mornings again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 44 minutes ago, Deluge said: He is somewhat of a freak, isn't he. You may want to get or update any firearm permits if you haven't already. Yeah like that'll work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: So the reference to commies, Nazis and beds that lefties use to mock the right wing's obsession with commies and Nazis is something you've never ever encountered before - it's a brand new concept to you? ROFLMAO - i have never heard anyone say that i or the conservatives keep commies and such under their beds. Maybe that was more something that your 'voices' say, rather than normal people Usually the term is someone has monsters under their beds, to refer to non existent things. The 'monster under the bed" is never a real thing, its an imaginary thing people fear. But as noted - nazis are real even today, and so are communists and socialists. So if that's how you were using it... what have i told you about not using terms you don't understand Quote LMAO! Always nice to see your little admission of defeat at the end there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah like that'll work. Well, it depends on how stupid you get, and some of you cultists are pretty f*cking stupid. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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