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20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You might be on to something for the next GOP Big Lie:

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 The horrific Jan6 terrorist attack that almost destroyed America and was reviled by Trump and all Republicans was committed by Mexican illegals!!” Coming soon to a gaslighting right wing propagandist outlet near you!   

LOL - c'mon, tell me you wouldn't click on that headline :)  It's textual gold!

The biggest propaganda element tho would be that the attack almost destroyed america :) But the rest is pretty good. I think we can do better and honk off all the sides tho:

Judge awards 500 million dollar fine in lawsuit from former prostitute showing that trump leaked classified documents that shows the the horrific Jan6 terrorist attack that almost destroyed America and was reviled by Trump and all Republicans was committed by Mexican illegals smuggled across the border by Mike Pence and Hunter Biden.

THAT! Is how you write a headline m'boy :) 

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12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:


 


 

No, you’re lying. The shooting was found to be justified. Just because you wish it wasn’t doesn’t change the facts. Plus we both know if Babbit had been ANTIFA amd the officer who was cleared had been protecting Trump you would totally defend the shooting 

In the first he's tell "Joe" to release them.

In the second they claim he wrote that he would release those wrongfully imprisoned. No cite.

In the third he says he'll work with people to treat the patriots right.

I saw the video Beave. That cop shot an unarmed woman.!

Question...when illegals force their way past a fence to enter the US illegally, would it be OK to open fire on them?

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On 4/5/2024 at 7:32 PM, BeaverFever said:

Correction:  criminal charged by law enforcement for crimes, only given misdemeanour due to age. 
 

You must be under the mistaken belief that elderly criminals are above the law due to age. I thought you guys were against “affirmative action.”  

Nah I just hold to the belief that there's a thing called "public interest" and kicking up a 70 year old for prayer is not in the public interest. Though Joe uses law enforcement like his private hitman. 

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17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In the first he's tell "Joe" to release them.

In the second they claim he wrote that he would release those wrongfully imprisoned. No cite.

In the third he says he'll work with people to treat the patriots right.

I saw the video Beave. That cop shot an unarmed woman.!

Question...when illegals force their way past a fence to enter the US illegally, would it be OK to open fire on them?

When anyone busts down your front door, would it be OK to open fire on them, no questions asked?

How about trespassing in your driveway like a guy did not too long ago here and killed some of the occupants of the car?

He was convicted of murder here.

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5 hours ago, robosmith said:

When anyone busts down your front door, would it be OK to open fire on them, no questions asked?

How about trespassing in your driveway like a guy did not too long ago here and killed some of the occupants of the car?

He was convicted of murder here.

So would you be ok with opening fire on illegal border crossers or not?

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Good job @BeaverFever, that's proof that the US Gov't was almost overthrown 😂

Thanks, stupid.

Check this out:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html

That's a story about 4 BLMers who captured a retarded kid and partially scalped him, while live-streaming it on FB. 

ICYMI, NBC News wasn't still talking about them 4 years later. 

To be fair, that's partly because there were several thousands of other violent BLM rioters to talk about in that period of time. No need to worry about them though, the dems bailed them out. Kamala Harris, no less. 

Did NBC put out an article recently about the 60 secret service agents that were injured protecting the WH in May 2020? Just 7 months earlier?

Can you find pictures on NBC of the people who assaulted the SS agents at the WH Beave? 

Of course not. 

Hit the skids you greasy little wipeout. 

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41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

ICYMI, NBC News wasn't still talking about them 4 years later. 

They didn't talk about it long at the time when it became apperent that they were big blm supporters.

And at the time you saw the same thing on a tonne of the left wing news outlets - a person (preferably black) saying very fast  "ofcourseicondemnallviolence'  followed by a massive "BUT!!!!!!!"  and then an explination as to why this was completely understandable and totally the fault of white people not the kids who tortured the disabled white boy and they should be forgiven.

I remember how disgusted i was at the time.

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9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They didn't talk about it long at the time when it became apperent that they were big blm supporters.

Exactly.

BLMers rioted thousands of times over 6 years, 2014-2020, and the leftards always called it a "mostly peaceful protest": in each case it was always forgiven/forgotten the next day.

Conservatives rioted once, and the leftards called it "a violent attempt to overrun the country", and they've been talking about it for 4 years now. 

 

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On 4/4/2024 at 10:38 PM, BeaverFever said:

Meet some of the violent Jan. 6 rioters Donald Trump keeps calling 'hostages'

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Trump has made his defense of those incarcerated in Capitol attack cases a central piece of his 2024 campaign. Many are accused of assaulting police. Some others fled.
 
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Daniel Ball: Charged with assaulting law enforcement and throwing an explosive device

Daniel Ball, was previously convicted of two counts of battery on law enforcement officers in a case unrelated to his conduct at the Capitol. His Florida probation officer in that case identified him when the FBI showed the officer photos of Ball at the Capitol. The FBI says that after breaching the building, Ball went around to the lower west tunnel, where some of the worst violence of the day took place, and shoved officers fighting to keep the mob out of the building. Ball then moved back, “hunched over, and looked down at something in front of his torso” before hurling an object — an explosive device, authorities say — into the lower west tunnel packed with officers fending off the mob.

  Daniel Ball. Daniel Ball on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

“The device flashed and exploded multiple times on the officers in the tunnel. One of these explosions included a loud boom that caused all the officers and some rioters/protesters in the crowd to flinch in unison,” according to an FBI affidavit issued in support of Ball’s 2023 arrest.

One officer described a hearing impairment that lasted months. Another officer described the pain in their ears as 10 out of 10. A third officer said they temporarily lost hearing, a fourth said their ears rang for three hours, and a fifth said there was a continued ringing in their ears for days.

“For many other officers that were interviewed, it was the most memorable event that day,” the FBI said in an affidavit. Some officers who were defending the tunnel at the time of the explosion reported feeling the pressure of the blast, according to the bureau. Some thought it was a fragmentation grenade and anticipated pain or significant injury. Some thought they were going to die. Some officers suffered psychological trauma from the explosion.

  The explosion allegedly set off by Daniel Ball at the Capitol. The explosion allegedly set off by Daniel Ball at the Capitol.FBI

Ball allegedly returned to the battle after the explosion, throwing a wooden furniture leg, the FBI said. Ball was allegedly aiming for an officer but struck a rioter instead. He is now charged with using the explosive device to commit a felony and with assaulting, resisting or impeding officers with a deadly or dangerous weapon.

Why he’s in jail: Ball has a criminal history and is accused of using an explosive device at the Capitol.

John Banuelos: Accused of firing a gun during the Capitol attack

John Banuelos was identified to the FBI in February 2021. The government took no action at that time as the bureau was being flooded by hundreds of thousands of tips from the public. Months later, in July 2021, Banuelos fatally stabbed a 19-year-old in a public park in Utah but was not charged after he claimed self-defense, police said. But he did tell police in Utah that he’d been at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that he’d had a gun on him, police records show.

  John Banuelos. John Banuelos in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021.U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia

NBC News reported on Banuelos’ identity in early 2022, and the FBI spoke with him after that report, but it wasn’t until this February that footage emerged that appeared to show Banuelos firing the gun outside the Capitol on Jan. 6. Banuelos was arrested in early March, and he was ordered detained. He has not yet been arraigned but suggested in an interview with the FBI that the multiple, contemporaneous videos that appear to show him firing off the gun could have been created by artificial intelligence.

Why he’s in jail: Banuelos has an extensive criminal history, including five convictions, according to prosecutors. He also allegedly threatened Americans who identified him to the FBI and is charged with firing off a gun at the Capitol.

Tim Boughner: Allegedly bragged he 'f---ed those cops up'

Online sleuths helped identify Tim Boughner, a Michigan man they called #BlackPufferWhiteScarf, using a prior mugshot from a 2017 arrest. He was arrested on Jan. 6 charges in December 2021 and faces three felony charges, with federal authorities alleging he assaulted officers with chemical spray.

  Tim Boughner. Tim Boughner on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

“I grabbed a can from them and started spraying. I got it on video lol,” Boughner wrote in a post on Facebook on Jan. 6 cited by the FBI. “F---ed those cops up.”

The government moved for pretrial detention, citing his “prior probation violations and attempt to evade law enforcement in this case.” Boughner quit his job after Jan. 6, and authorities said he “did not have a stable living arrangement” and had “an extensive and varied criminal history and contacts with law enforcement beginning at the age of 17.”

In November 2023, U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan found reasonable cause that Boughner was “suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him incompetent” and ordered him to undergo psychiatric evaluation. This February, Chutkan found Boughner incompetent and a recent joint status update indicated that he suffered from “delusional thoughts” but “expressed unwillingness to voluntarily take medication.”

Why he’s in jail: On top of his extensive criminal history and risk of flight, a judge ruled that he needs psychiatric treatment before he’s competent to stand trial.

Dominic Box: Arrested on DUI charge while out on pretrial release in his Jan. 6 case

  Dominic Box Dominic Box on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

Box, who was interviewed in the HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol,” wasarrested in Georgia in December 2022 and facesfelony charges of obstruction of an official proceeding and civil disorder.

While out on release pretrial, he was arrested in Florida on a DUI charge, which led to his lawyer in the Jan. 6 case not being able to reach him, according to court documents. Box had been expected to enter a plea to a felony charge in December 2023 but indicated he was not ready to enter a plea after meeting with his attorney in Washington, according to court documents. Hetold the court he did not want to proceed with the plea deal in January because of a pending Supreme Court case that could affect his obstruction charge, but he may proceed to a stipulated trial — one where the facts themselves are uncontested — in June.

He has claimed in a recent fundraising campaign that he is a journalist and claimed he was a “citizen journalist” in an interview with the Savannah Morning News, which noted that Box had worked as a salesman at a Nissan dealership but was fired after Jan. 6.

Why he’s in jail: Box was arrested on a DUI charge while he was on pretrial release on his Jan. 6 charges.

Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III, Jonathan Pollock, and Olivia Pollock: Went on the run in Florida

  Jonathan Daniel Pollock, Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III and Olivia Michele Pollock. Jonathan Daniel Pollock, Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III and Olivia Michele Pollock on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

Earlier this year, on the third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack, FBI special agents descended on a ranch in Florida. They took three fugitives into custody: Joseph Daniel Hutchinson III, Jonathan Pollock and Olivia Pollock. The three were originally arrested in 2021, charged alongside Joshua Doolin and Michael Perkins, who were found guilty on several Jan. 6-related charges in 2023.

Jonathan Pollock had been a fugitive for 2.5 years, since his initial indictment in the summer of 2021. Olivia Pollock and Hutchinson had been fugitives since the summer of 2023, when they failed to show up to their trial.

All three defendants wore tactical gear on Jan. 6 and are charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers as well as theft of government property. Jonathan Pollock is accused of the worst violence of the bunch, with the government saying he grabbed an officer by the waist and pulled the officer down a set of stairs, punched another officer in the face and stole another officer’s police shield.

Hutchinson, authorities said, charged the police line and began throwing punches, while Olivia Pollock attempted to strip an officer of their baton and elbowed the officer in the chest.

Why they’re in jail: They were fugitives before their capture and have been ordered detained until trial.

Edward Kelley: Charged with plotting to murder FBI employees after his release in Jan. 6 case

Anti-abortion activist Edward Kelley of Tennessee was initially arrested in May 2022 after the FBI identified him as the fourth rioter to breach the Capitol. In addition to assaulting a law enforcement officer outside the Capitol, the government alleges Kelley used a piece of wood to break a window, jumped through the window and then forced open a fire door, allowing the first mass of rioters to flood inside the building and chase Capitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman up the stairs, toward the Senate chamber.

  Edward Kelly Edward Kelley was in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021.FBI

Months after his initial release, in December 2022, Kelley was arrested again and charged in a plot to murder FBI employees involved in investigating him about Jan. 6. In November 2023, Kelley’s friend and co-defendant Austin Carter, a member of the Army Reserves,admitted that he and Kelley had conspired to “murder employees of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,” admitting that he received a list of FBI employees from Kelley and that the two had “discussed plans to attack the FBI Field Office in Knoxville, Tennessee.”

In a recent joint filing, prosecutors and Kelley’s attorneys said they were engaged in “good faith efforts” to reach a plea deal in both of Kelley’s criminal cases. If a deal is not reached by early April, Kelley’s trial in the alleged murder plot is set to begin in Knoxville on May 7, but the case may be delayed after a recent joint filingindicated the parties were at “an impasse.”

Why he’s in jail: He was initially released on his Jan. 6 charges but then allegedly plotted to murder the FBI employees who were investigating him.

Jacob Lang: Unapologetic rioter charged with repeatedly assaulting law enforcement

  Jake Lang. Jacob Lang on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

Jacob Lang — who can be seen on video hitting law enforcement officers with a baseball bat and riot shield — faces multiple charges of assaulting law enforcement officers, as well as felony charges of civil disorder and obstruction of an official proceeding. He was arrested in January 2021.

“I was the leader of Liberty today,” Lang wrote on Facebook after the riot, wrongly tagging himself at the White House. “Arrest me. You are on the wrong side of history.”

He said the day after the attack that it was “war” at the Capitol, not a mere protest.

Lang, the government notes, hosts a weekly podcast for a conservative conspiracy website from behind bars and paints himself as a “political prisoner.” Lang has cycled through lawyers and recently hired Anthony Frank Sabatini, a Republican and former Florida state representative who is running for Congress.

“I don’t play the watered-down version of Jan. 6, the ‘there was mistakes made that day.’ No, no, I think that was well within our rights and constitutional duty to overthrow the chains of tyranny,” he said in one podcast.

  Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as people try to storm the U.S. Capitol. Jacob Lang allegedly clashing with police on Jan. 6, 2021.Brent Stirton / Getty Images file

Lang was being held in the jail in Washington but was transferred to a facility in Brooklyn, New York. “Lang not only remains willing to engage in additional acts of violence whenever he deems such violence necessary, but continues to believe that such violence is justified,” prosecutors recently wrote.

“For Lang, little has changed since January 6, 2021 or the days that followed when according to Lang, the next step was ‘guns’ and he tried to form and armed militia,” they wrote.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols said last year that the argument for Lang’s continued detention was “strong,” noting that Lang was at the forefront of the mob and that his “overt expressions of willingness to use violence in the future, along with the violent nature of Lang’s offenses on January 6th, convinced this Court that Lang could not be released with adequate assurances of community safety.”

Why he’s in jail: A judge cited overwhelming evidence that he repeatedly assaulted officers and a continued willingness to engage in violence.

Christopher Maurer: Charged with swinging a pipe at officers

Christopher Maurer was featured as No. 150 on the FBI’s Capitol Violence website. The government says that Maurer was part of the lower west tunnel assault and tried to pull a police shield and strike officers who were helping another rioter who was experiencing a medical emergency. Maurer exited the tunnel but later returned swinging a long metal pipe at officers, according to the FBI. He is charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding certain officers with a deadly and dangerous weapon, among other charges.

  Christopher Maurer. Christopher Maurer on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

“F--- YOU A--HOLES!” Maurer allegedly yelledafter the attack, holding up both of his middle fingers.

Law enforcement observed Maurer near Falmouth, Maine, with a 1999 gold Ford Expedition that he appeared to be living out of in early 2023, shortly before his arrest.

Why he’s in jail: Maurer, who was living in a van, conceded to detention in March 2023.

Jeffrey McKellop: Former Special Forces soldier accused of attacking police

Jeffrey McKellop, a retired U.S. Army Special Forces soldier and military contractor, is accused of repeatedly attacking law enforcement officers, including with a flagpole. He was arrested in March 2021, and the government argued that the gas mask-wearing rioter “weaponized his extensive military training and experience” during the Capitol attack. The government provided a photo that, it says, shows the officer McKellop “stabbed in the face” with the flagpole.

  Jeff McKellop. Jeffrey McKellop on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

McKellop, Magistrate Judge Zia Faruqui wrote in 2021, “represents a threat to the safety of the community as video footage shows him assaulting police offers, including with weapons.”

McKellop was later ordered committed for a competency evaluation. McKellop has cycledthrough eight attorneys over the course of his detention, which has caused delays in the proceedings. On March 29, his current attorneys wrote in a motion that McKellop had orderedthem to withdraw and asked the court to appoint new counsel. A jury trial is set for May 13 before Judge Carl J. Nichols.

Why he’s in jail: Was ordered held by a judge to undergo competency evaluations before trial.

Christina Legros: Found by a judge to lack the mental capacity to care for herself

Christina Legros was arrested in January 2023 alongside her boyfriend, Isaac Thomas, who prosecutors said was one of the first individuals to enter the restricted grounds of the U.S. Capitol. A mental health clinician was present during the initial interview Legros and Thomas had with the FBI in January 2021. Legros and Thomas were both indicted together, but Legros only faces misdemeanor charges, while Thomas faces multiple felony counts for allegedly assaulting officers.

  Christina Legros Christina Legros on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.Amy Harris / Shutterstock

“I will smack you upside your head with this pole!” Thomas allegedly yelled on a video recorded by Legros, before Thomas assaulted officers, according to DOJ. In addition to allegedly repeatedly assaulting officers with the flagpole before an officer was able to grab it away from him, authorities say video shows Thomas throwing a Gatorade bottle at an officer.

Legros was hospitalized shortly after her initial arrest. Earlier this year, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly found that Legros lacked the “mental capacity to care for herself.” In March, the judge ordered the Bureau of Prisons “to maintain custody of Defendant Legros until her competency hearing on April 9, 2024.” Legros has not yet been arraigned so she has not entered a plea; Judge Kollar-Kotelly has said she won’t arraign Legros “until the parties have a clearer picture as to her mental competency.”

Why she’s in custody: A judge found that Legros lacked the mental capacity to care for herself, and she has a pending competency hearing.

Edward Richmond Jr.: Previously killed an Iraqi civilian, yet had an AR-15 in his home

Edward Richmond Jr., known to online sleuths as “Buff Lightyear” due to the outfit he wore — “black helmet, goggles, shoulder pads, an orange two-way radio, and a Louisiana State Flag patch,” per the government — during the Capitol attack, faces a host of charges for his actions that day.

  Edward Richmond Jr. Edward Richmond Jr. on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

The 40-year-old was arrested in January in Louisiana, and a federal magistrate judge initially ordered him released. The government appealed to a federal judge in Washington, arguing that Richmond showed up to the Capitol “dressed in full tactical gear, carrying a baton” on Jan. 6 and “stayed at the front of the mob fighting against police for almost two hours,” carrying a police riot shield, helping take furniture out of broken windows and carrying a large wooden plank to use against officers. The government noted Richmond was previously “convicted of manslaughter after shooting a handcuffed Iraqi cow herder in the head with his rifle” and was sentenced to three years of confinement and dishonorably discharged from the military.

Richmond was also banned from owning weapons due to his conviction, but the FBI said it found “an AR-15 rifle in Richmond’s home — complete with three fully loaded magazines, approximately 73 rounds of ammunition.” Prosecutors noted that Richmond “served multiple years in jail for shooting a man and was undoubtedly aware that any future possession of firearms could send him back to jail.” They also noted that Richmond changed his telephone number shortly after the FBI posted photos of him on their website in an attempt to identify him. Chief U.S. Judge James Boasberg orderedRichmond held, citing, in part, evidence of his unlawful possession of that weapon. Richmond has not yet been arraigned so has not entered a plea; but in arguing for pretrial release, his attorney noted that he contacted a lawyer when he learned the FBI was looking for him back in 2022.

Why he’s in jail: He was banned from owning weapons after being convicted of killing a handcuffed Iraqi civilian, but authorities say an AR-15 was found in his home.

Taylor Taranto: Showed up at Obama’s house with guns and ammo after Trump posted the address

  Taylor Taranto. Taylor Taranto on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.Metropolitan Police Department

Online sleuths first identified Taylor Taranto to the FBI in August 2021 but he wasn’t arrested until last year.

Taranto, the “sedition hunters” said, was the Jan. 6 participant who wore a “Make Space Great Again” hat and carried a cane with a sharpened metal tip that day. That rioter was involved in a brawl between pro-Trump rioters and law enforcement officers trying to force them out of the Capitol, including Jeffrey Smith, a Metropolitan Police Department officer who died by suicide just days after the Capitol attack. Smith’s death was found, by DOJ, to have occurred as a direct result of the injuries he sustained that day, including during that brawl and a separate incident outside the Capitol after nightfall, when Smith was struck by a metal rod. Erin Smith, the late officer’s widow, filed a civil lawsuit against Taranto as well as D.C. chiropractor David Walls-Kaufman, who was arrested in June 2022. Taranto and Walls-Kaufman deny playing any role in Smith’s death.

When Walls-Kaufman was sentenced in June 2023, ultimately receiving 60 days of incarceration after admitting he “scuffled” with officers, Taranto showed up to the sentencing hearing. Taranto had been living out of his van and often showed up to the city jail, where supporters of Jan. 6 defendants hold regular, livestreamed vigils. Days after Walls-Kaufman’s sentencing, Taranto showed up outside the home of former President Barack Obama in the nation’s capital after Trump posted a screenshot that included the address on his social media website. (Trump has not commented publicly on the case.) Federal authorities arrested Taranto and said he illegally had weapons and more than 400 rounds of ammunition in his van.

He is now facing charges related to Jan. 6 as well as for the illegal weapons he is accused of having near Obama’s home. Taranto has not yet entered a plea; but during his detention proceedings, his attorneys argued that his mental health needs would be better addressed at home with his family.

Why he’s in jail: A judge ordered Taranto held after he showed up outside Obama’s home with weapons in his van.

Gregory Yetman: National guardsman charged with attacking officers who fled from the FBI

  Gregory Yetman. Gregory Yetman on Jan. 6, 2021, at the Capitol.FBI

Gregory Yetman, a former New Jersey National Guard police sergeant, was arrested after a 48-hour FBI manhunt in New Jersey in November 2023. Online sleuths had referred to Yetman as #GreenHeavySprayer, because he was seen on video cited by the FBI using a large chemical sprayer to assault a line of police officers. Yetman faces several charges, including felony charges of assaulting officers and obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder, as well as misdemeanors. Yetman, according to authorities, fled into a wooded area when the FBI showed up at his home and later turned himself into a police station dirty and unkempt.

A federal magistrate judge found that Yetman “poses a danger to the community and presents a risk of flight.” Yetman was arraigned in Washington in February, pleading not guilty to a six-count indictment. Yetman is currently scheduled to take a plea deal on April 25.

  FBI searches and converges on the home of suspect Gregory Yetman. The FBI searching Yetman's home in New Jersey, on Nov 8, 2023.Kyle Mazza / SOPA Images / Sipa USA via AP

Why he’s in jail: He was ordered held after he fled the FBI, is accused of assaulting law enforcement with chemical spray and is set to take a plea deal.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-republicans-jan-6-hostages-violence-capitol-police-rcna143888

All witch hunted and thrown in the slammer by the country's communist regime. 

Hopefully Trump will pardon them and then get to work on Antifa and BLM rioters - the true villains of this country. 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Exactly.

BLMers rioted thousands of times over 6 years, 2014-2020, and the leftards always called it a "mostly peaceful protest": in each case it was always forgiven/forgotten the next day.

Conservatives rioted once, and the leftards called it "a violent attempt to overrun the country", and they've been talking about it for 4 years now. 

 

And don't forget the whole "Day we almost lost democracy" routine.  As if there was any possible sceneario where that happened. 

"WE CAME A HAIRS BREATH AWAY FROM LOSING OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY AND DEMOCRACY!!!"  

Ok - how's that work? How would that have even been possible? Walk me through it -what could they have done that would lead to that result?

"IT DOESN"T MATTER IF IT WAS POSSIBLE OR NOT - WHAT MATTERS IS IT ALMOST HAPPENED!!!"

Ok but if it's not possible then it didnt' almost .... you know what, sure. Forget sept 11 or december 7 - jan 6 is the day it almost all came crashing down for us. (sigh)

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Meet some Democrat protestors in Michigan.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/michigan-protestors-chant-death-to-america-death-to-israel-at-rally/ss-BB1lgbzh?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e2e22cbc10544f4b8ee116649ef1f72c&ei=14#image=2

There was a time when a protest like this could only be seen in countries like Iran and the like. Not any more.

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1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Meet some Democrat protestors in Michigan.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/michigan-protestors-chant-death-to-america-death-to-israel-at-rally/ss-BB1lgbzh?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e2e22cbc10544f4b8ee116649ef1f72c&ei=14#image=2

There was a time when a protest like this could only be seen in countries like Iran and the like. Not any more.

As usual there's a reason why YOU QUOTE NOTHING from your naked link to back YOUR OPINION.

Cause THERE IS NOTHING THERE about "Democrat protestors." LIAR

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Muslim protesters were heard chanting 'death to America' and 'death to Israel' during a rally in a Michigan city dubbed the 'jihad capital' of the U.S. by the Wall Street Journal. Demonstrators gathered in the city in commemoration of Al-Quds Day in support of Palestine and to oppose Israel.

 

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

As usual there's a reason why YOU QUOTE NOTHING from your naked link to back YOUR OPINION.

Cause THERE IS NOTHING THERE about "Democrat protestors." LIAR

It's 100% certain that none of these 'Americans' are going to vote Republican. There is however, a sizable element within the Democrat party that is rather well aligned with the sentiments of the Michigan protesters.

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38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not. Now answer MY question.

Ok so...

You're not ok with shooting people illegally breaking into your nation, but your ok with a cop shooting an unarmed American woman in the house of the American people's government. 

That says it all.

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28 minutes ago, ironstone said:

It's 100% certain that none of these 'Americans' are going to vote Republican. There is however, a sizable element within the Democrat party that is rather well aligned with the sentiments of the Michigan protesters.

Too bad you couldn't find another naked link to back ^this OPINION.

Even IF SOME Democrats are "well aligned" that is not EVIDENCE that those protestors were Democrats.

IOW, you're JUST SPECULATING.

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3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ok so...

You're not ok with shooting people illegally breaking into your nation,

No one "breaks into my nation" by crossing the border. Esp not when they immediately surrender to the BP like most do these days.

 

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

but your ok with a cop shooting an unarmed American woman in the house of the American people's government. 

Do you really not understand how the law treats the interior of secured buildings completely different from outdoors even when fenced?

Got a secret for you: none of the mob BEHIND that woman was there to surrender to the cops.

Maybe you missed how they were threatening to "hang Mike Pence." 🤮

Or maybe you're just a disingenuous lDIOT.

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That says it all.

It says you'll lie your ass off.

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34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ok so...

You're not ok with shooting people illegally breaking into your nation, but your ok with a cop shooting an unarmed American woman in the house of the American people's government. 

That says it all.

The hypocrisy is pretty legendary :)

 

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No one "breaks into my nation" by crossing the border. Esp not when they immediately surrender to the BP like most do these days.

 

Do you really not understand how the law treats the interior of secured buildings completely different from outdoors even when fenced?

Got a secret for you: none of the mob BEHIND that woman was there to surrender to the cops.

Maybe you missed how they were threatening to "hang Mike Pence." 🤮

Or maybe you're just a disingenuous lDIOT.

It says you'll lie your ass off.

You're a fcking hypocrite.

 

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6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Even IF SOME Democrats are "well aligned" that is not EVIDENCE that those protestors were Democrats.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/08/joe-biden-is-now-chasing-the-death-to-america-voter/

It was Al-Quds Day last Friday. To celebrate the occasion, protesters in Dearborn, Michigan, chanted “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” while a speaker named Tarek Bazzi declared the United States — a place that’s afforded him the liberty to openly support rapists, murderers, and terrorists — one of the “rottenest countries” on the planet. “It’s the entire system that has to go,” he explained to cheers of, what I assume, were American citizens.

As Seth Mandel notes, there’s Charlottesville every other day in America, and barely anyone on the left cares. Most progressives, let’s face it, either tacitly or openly support these days of rage.

Biden, it should be noted, is a vacuous political zombie who has never met a position he hasn’t dropped for a vote. Today, he is surrounded by Obama-era advisers and Hamas sympathizers — though I repeat myself — who have long wanted the U.S. to be aligned with mullahs of Iran, as a counterbalance to colonialist Western capitalists of Israel. And now that Democrats like Chuck Schumer have sold out the Jews to the vultures for a few votes in Dearborn, nothing holds back progressive Democrats from normalizing the antisemitism that already infects the hard left.  

 

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1 hour ago, ironstone said:

https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/08/joe-biden-is-now-chasing-the-death-to-america-voter/

It was Al-Quds Day last Friday. To celebrate the occasion, protesters in Dearborn, Michigan, chanted “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” while a speaker named Tarek Bazzi declared the United States — a place that’s afforded him the liberty to openly support rapists, murderers, and terrorists — one of the “rottenest countries” on the planet. “It’s the entire system that has to go,” he explained to cheers of, what I assume, were American citizens.

As Seth Mandel notes, there’s Charlottesville every other day in America, and barely anyone on the left cares. Most progressives, let’s face it, either tacitly or openly support these days of rage.

Biden, it should be noted, is a vacuous political zombie who has never met a position he hasn’t dropped for a vote. Today, he is surrounded by Obama-era advisers and Hamas sympathizers — though I repeat myself — who have long wanted the U.S. to be aligned with mullahs of Iran, as a counterbalance to colonialist Western capitalists of Israel. And now that Democrats like Chuck Schumer have sold out the Jews to the vultures for a few votes in Dearborn, nothing holds back progressive Democrats from normalizing the antisemitism that already infects the hard left.  

 

Yeah, those protesters do not sound like they're Democrats backing Biden. 💡

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9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, those protesters do not sound like they're Democrats backing Biden. 💡

If you read the article, Biden is trying to court them. He does want to win Michigan, and he's willing to go to great lengths to get their support. He couldn't care less what they were chanting. It doesn't bother him in the least that these people are on American soil.

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1 hour ago, ironstone said:

If you read the article, Biden is trying to court them. He does want to win Michigan, and he's willing to go to great lengths to get their support. He couldn't care less what they were chanting. It doesn't bother him in the least that these people are on American soil.

This is a generally accepted fact btw - he wants those votes.

In general he's pandering to the farther left. It appears that he's hoping to recreate obama's  Intersectional coalition and motivate people to get out and vote based on that, but I don't really feel that's the mood of the country anymore. If anything you should be moving towards the center and I feel like he's taking the wrong path.

Having said that the election hasn't really started yet and at this point it's not uncommon for people to speak a little more radically to their base and then tone it down for the actual election. So we'll see.

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2 hours ago, ironstone said:

If you read the article, Biden is trying to court them. He does want to win Michigan, and he's willing to go to great lengths to get their support. He couldn't care less what they were chanting. It doesn't bother him in the least that these people are on American soil.

You said they're Democrats. Now you're backtracking and just saying that Biden wants their vote and has to work hard to get it. You're contradicting YOURSELF.

Thanks for admitting you WERE WRONG. 

But then you double down with pure speculation about Biden's attitudes which has nothing to do with YOUR PREVIOUS ERROR. Don't really care about your unsubstantiated OPINIONS about how Biden FEELS about what he has to do to get elected.

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