Is Canada going Marxist?

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I was also going to bring up Mulroney, but also Bill Clinton and christia freeland come to mind.

2. The people you're describing, all the ones I know, vote NDP.

3. You want me to prove you're wrong, but since it's an opinion I can't by definition.

2. Except for Justin Trudeau, i assume he votes Liberal

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

2. Except for Justin Trudeau, i assume he votes Liberal

I doubt he drives his own car or really has ever. Anyway, I'm also not jealous of successful people. Especially not jealous of successful people who are dumber than me. If I did think about them too much I would go crazy in this epoch.

[blackbird]

Is Chinada going Marxist?  I believe we are witnessing the globalist takeover of Canada.  Trudeau denies foreign interference affected elections in 2019 and 2021, but the evidence is in.  It did affect at least several riding.

Check this webpage:

Chinada, an open book... - inkletter

[blackbird]

How many Chinese Canadians and other status Chinese in Canada are supporting the Chinese Communist Party in Canada's elections.  Why does the CCP support the federal Liberal Party?  That is the big question?  There is something we the plebeians are not being told about the ideology of the federal Liberal Party.

The question is what can be done about it?

[blackbird]

More evidence Chinada is going Globalist, Marxist in its support of the U.N. Sustainable Development Goals.

"The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity for people and the planet, now and into the future. At its heart are the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are an urgent call for action by all countries - developed and developing - in a global partnership. They recognize that ending poverty and other deprivations must go hand-in-hand with strategies that improve health and education, reduce inequality, and spur economic growth – all while tackling climate change and working to preserve our oceans and forests."

THE 17 GOALS | Sustainable Development (un.org)

As part of this, Chinada gave 4 billion dollars to the middle east in a few years recently.

Edited April 4 by blackbird

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

More evidence Chinada is going Globalist, Marxist is its support of the U.N. Sustainable Development Goals.

So Christians support unsustainable goals?

Why not when God has a planet B waiting for them in Heaven?

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

So Christians support unsustainable goals?

Marxism/Socialism are evil and contrary to the Bible.   The U.N. SDG are Marxism - Socialism.

[blackbird]

Trudeau just announced 2.4 billion dollars to invest in AI or artificial intelligence.  How is Trudeau able to blow billions of dollars of taxpayer money every day or week without it being duly debated and approved by Parliament?  What kind of democracy is that where, one individual, the PM can spend that kind of money without the express approval of the people's representatives? 

If anyone wants some proof that we live in an authoritarian Marxist dictatorship, there it is.  When are we going to start calling each other comrade and admit there is no democracy but a dictatorship ruling by decree.

 

[herbie]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How is Trudeau able to blow billions of dollars of taxpayer money every day or week without it being duly debated and approved by Parliament? 

 

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If anyone wants some proof that we live in an authoritarian Marxist dictatorship, there it is. 

Announcing things before the Budget is tabled is authoritarian to you? Or do you not know how thing work?

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

 

Announcing things before the Budget is tabled is authoritarian to you? Or do you not know how thing work?

When 2.4 billion dollars is doled out without debate or following the process, we know it is a dictatorship.  No more pretending to follow a democratic process.  It doesn't exist.  The Liberal and NDP MPs know they have no choice but to approve whatever Trudeau says.  

Voters have little or no say on how billions of dollars will be spent and on what.

 

Edited April 8 by blackbird

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

When 2.4 billion dollars is doled out without debate or following the process, we know it is a dictatorship.

Nothing has been doled out or spent and won't be until after the budget has been tabled, discussed, voted on and passed by Parliament. Following the process IOW.

You must believe Canada has been an authoritarian Marxist dictatorship since Confederation because we've always used the same process.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nothing has been doled out or spent and won't be until after the budget has been tabled, discussed, voted on and passed by Parliament. Following the process IOW.

You must believe Canada has been an authoritarian Marxist dictatorship since Confederation because we've always used the same process.

It is getting far worse now and moving toward Chinada.  We are led by Manchurian elites.

You say it is voted on by Parliament, but the government is not even supported by a majority of Canadians. How is that democracy?  Trudeau and his clique determine they will spend billions or tens of billions of dollars on and everyone else in their party is whipped to support it.  They dare not oppose anything or there will be punishment.  That's how it works.  The rest of the MPs really have no control over it.  It is predetermined.

Just to give you an example of how undemocratic the system has become:   

We are now controlled to a large extent by the U.N.  

The government bows to the dictates of the U.N. which is run by 200 countries most of whom are undemocratic dictatorships.

They dictated we must adopt UNDRIP and the governments have been bowing to that dictate in Canada.  Trudeau bows to the dictates of the U.N. and sends billions of dollars of our money all over the world for various causes.  That is not democracy.

Edited April 8 by blackbird

[herbie]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

When 2.4 billion dollars is doled out without debate or following the process, we know it is a dictatorship. 

Just how bloody thick are you?

It hasn't been doled out, it has been announced as something in the upcoming budget. THEN it gets debated and voted on and if it fails to pass it causes an election as it's a confidence issue.

The exact opposite of a dictatorship.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It is getting far worse now and moving toward Chinada.  We are led by Manchurian elites.

There only thing getting worse here is the weird deluded way you think about things.

[Moonlight Graham]

@Michael Hardner

2 people come to the same conclusion independently.  3 if you count Jordan Peterson:

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

@Michael Hardner

2 people come to the same conclusion independently.  3 if you count Jordan Peterson:

 

I don't go by numbers, I go by good arguments. Peterson isn't very good at them, neither is musk . The self-described socialist.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't go by numbers, I go by good arguments. Peterson isn't very good at them, neither is musk . The self-described socialist.

Well, that's more of an ad hominem, it depends on the argument.  They are both dumb on some opinions and bang-on about other things.

Maybe as a society we should all stop looking for saviours and just looks for good ideas to combine.

[Zeitgeist]

On 4/4/2024 at 3:55 PM, blackbird said:

More evidence Chinada is going Globalist, Marxist in its support of the U.N. Sustainable Development Goals.

"The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, adopted by all United Nations Member States in 2015, provides a shared blueprint for peace and prosperity for people and the planet, now and into the future. At its heart are the 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are an urgent call for action by all countries - developed and developing - in a global partnership. They recognize that ending poverty and other deprivations must go hand-in-hand with strategies that improve health and education, reduce inequality, and spur economic growth – all while tackling climate change and working to preserve our oceans and forests."

THE 17 GOALS | Sustainable Development (un.org)

As part of this, Chinada gave 4 billion dollars to the middle east in a few years recently.

You’re figuring out what’s going on.  It’s sad for Canada and hard for many Canadians to accept.  Canada is simply far too vulnerable to international influences and China in particular.  We need a much less naive government.  I wonder how much the Liberals knew and how much they welcomed the interference.

[Zeitgeist]

On 4/8/2024 at 2:38 PM, herbie said:

Just how bloody thick are you?

It hasn't been doled out, it has been announced as something in the upcoming budget. THEN it gets debated and voted on and if it fails to pass it causes an election as it's a confidence issue.

The exact opposite of a dictatorship.

The Liberals and NDP will always vote together in favour of this government until their 18 month limit runs out, because they know that the next election is the end for both parties. Every additional day that these communists reap havoc is another day of growth in public anger towards this government.  I hope it plays out in the election.  You never know these days.

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Maybe as a society we should all stop looking for saviours and just looks for good ideas to combine.

Agreed.  A tribe runs well with a council of the wise, supported by a public.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Agreed.  A tribe runs well with a council of the wise, supported by a public.

But does everyone have a say (the masses, democracy), or just the philosophers kings?

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

But does everyone have a say (the masses, democracy), or just the philosophers kings?

Like I say they have to be supported by the public.  And that means they can't be so different from them.

If you want to look at the archetype of brilliant leaders, the mid-century American presidents... Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon 

 

All of them had wide support in their day, and were so far above what we see in the likes of Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush Jr.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Maybe as a society we should all stop looking for saviours and just looks for good ideas to combine.

Careful what you wish for, especially these days where border issues and invasive dictators need to be combined to do anything about them.

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Careful what you wish for, especially these days where border issues and invasive dictators need to be combined to do anything about them.

Wishing for us to stop searching out saviors is a good idea in my book.

 

We're the saviours 

[blackbird]

At the foreign interference enquiry today, Defense Minister Bill Blair, said the foreign interference did not change the election outcomes.  He stressed that repeatedly.  What is he thinking.  It is obvious he is downplaying the foreign interference by China.  Evidence has already been presented to show it affected several ridings in Ontario and B.C. mainly in ridings with a high Chinese or Chinese Canadian demographic.  The CCP is apparently using WeChat to influence the Chinese demographic.

Many people don't realize it, but China considers Chinese Canadians and any Chinese descendants as subject to China or the CCP regardless of where they live.

Blair's claim that this doesn't affect Canadian democracy is ludicrous because if even a few ridings elect MPs chosen by the CCP there is a huge effect on government and how Canada is governed.  Sometimes when contentious issues are voted on in Parliament the vote can be very close and a few votes can mean a vote passing or being defeated.