You've Got Four Days, Trump

[Rebound]

Donald Trump lost an $83.3 million defamation lawsuit on January 26. He must post $100 million in cash if he wants to appeal. Deadline: February 26, four days.  

If Trump does not put up $100 million in cash by February 26, he must pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million. If he does not pay, Carroll can (and will) go to court and have Trump's assets seized, either bank accounts or real property. 

Deadline Two: Trump has until March 18 to put up over $400 to $500 million in cash if he wants to appeal his fraud verdict. Once again, if he doesn't put up the money, he cannot appeal and must pay the full judgement. 

Trump recently stated in a sworn deposition that he has $400 million in cash on hand. Now we'll get to see whether the shoe salesman really is a billionaire or not... or we'll see what lies he comes up with the explain why he said he has $400 million in cash but can't cough up $100 million of it for an appeal he swears he'll file. 

The truth, of course: Donald Trump is a criminal and a liar. His entire legal defense is claiming that the prosecution is political, but if you haven't broken the law, then your defense is that no evidence of wrong-doing exists. But it's hard to do that when there's a photo of you next to a woman you say you've never met, and there are financial records, and when you defame someone on live national TV the day after losing a defamation case against them. 

Don the Con is going down in bright orange flames. Even getting elected President won't stop him from losing his money.

Edited February 22, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The truth, of course: Donald Trump is a criminal and a liar

Neither of those are criminal cases.  Who's the liar?  

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Don the Con is going down in bright orange flames. Even getting elected President won't stop him from losing his money.

Oooo...bright orange flames? Oh that'll be pretty...

You Libbies. You lie...you cheat...and man the hatred you all harbour is monumental to say the least.

Hmmm...why should any rational person believe folks like that?

[robosmith]

26 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oooo...bright orange flames? Oh that'll be pretty...

You Libbies. You lie...you cheat...and man the hatred you all harbour is monumental to say the least.

Hmmm...why should any rational person believe folks like that?

Yeah, why SHOULD anyone believe folks like YOU who continually DEFENDS FRAUD?

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Yeah, why SHOULD anyone believe folks like YOU who continually DEFENDS FRAUD?

yes dear...

[Hodad]

Quick, MAGA Canadians, send this man all your money. He needs your help now more than ever! Do NOT make him pay his own super unfair penalties after being found liable for rape, defamation and bank fraud.

 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You've got four days, Trump! 

Wokebound squealed with hellish glee...

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Oooo...bright orange flames? Oh that'll be pretty...

You Libbies. You lie...you cheat...and man the hatred you all harbour is monumental to say the least.

Hmmm...why should any rational person believe folks like that?

I don’t know why Trump behaves the way he does, but he’s finally being brought to justice.  Cause the facts prove that he broke the law.  

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Neither of those are criminal cases.  Who's the liar?  

Courts said he broke the law that’s why he lost his cases.  If he’d followed the law he wouldn’t be in all this trouble.  
 

You gotta admit… the guy loses $5 million in a defamation case, and defames the woman the very next day… he’s got some issues with self control.  

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I don’t know why Trump behaves the way he does, but he’s finally being brought to justice.  Cause the facts prove that he broke the law. 

Errr...I believe he's appealing?

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Courts said he broke the law that’s why he lost his cases.  If he’d followed the law he wouldn’t be in all this trouble.  

Ever get a parking ticket?

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You gotta admit… the guy loses $5 million in a defamation case, and defames the woman the very next day… he’s got some issues with self control.  

That I can admit. Trump should learn to just shut up sometimes. Does that mean he wouldn't be a better choice than ol' Rusty Brandon? Probably not huh?

Edited February 22, 2024 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Courts said he broke the law that’s why he lost his cases.  If he’d followed the law he wouldn’t be in all this trouble.  

 

You know that's not the same as being a criminal right? You don't really need me to explain it ... right?

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You gotta admit… the guy loses $5 million in a defamation case, and defames the woman the very next day… he’s got some issues with self control.  

LOL - well yeah i'll have to give you that one.    But no surprises there.  I think even his more ardent supporters would probably have to concede that point at least a little  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Quick, MAGA Canadians, send this man all your money. He needs your help now more than ever! Do NOT make him pay his own super unfair penalties after being found liable for rape, defamation and bank fraud.

 

He was not found "liable for rape".

[Rebound]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You know that's not the same as being a criminal right? You don't really need me to explain it ... right?

LOL - well yeah i'll have to give you that one.    But no surprises there.  I think even his more ardent supporters would probably have to concede that point at least a little  

I’m having a lot of trouble with this.  
These aren’t parking ticket offenses.  $25 million Trump University fraud, civil rape and defamation to $88 million and now over $450 million in fraud…. But a kid steals a woman’s purse with $100 and he’s a felon. 
 

Trump’s criminal convictions are only a matter of time, but his lawlessness is extreme.  
 

And I’ve had to file financial statements before. I was well aware that there can be serious consequences for lying on those documents, and Trump did so routinely, for decades, and grossly.  In my book, that’s criminal. 

[Hodad]

45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

He was not found "liable for rape".

The judge said the verdict did not mean that Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed ... the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

 

How terribly sad that you have to spend your energy excusing rape on technicalities.

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

I don’t know why Trump behaves the way he does, but he’s finally being brought to justice.  Cause the facts prove that he broke the law.  

Courts said he broke the law that’s why he lost his cases.  If he’d followed the law he wouldn’t be in all this trouble.  
 

You gotta admit… the guy loses $5 million in a defamation case, and defames the woman the very next day… he’s got some issues with self control.  

He's always got to play the tough guy, which is the way the MAGA CULT sees it, instead of the much more obvious really stupid guy. But as long as the MAGA CULT rewards him with THEIR MONEY, he will keep doing it.

Though I doubt he'll make a profit from them with his bank fraud.

Edited February 23, 2024 by robosmith

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

He was not found "liable for rape".

You're not paying attention and/or FOS LIES is not telling you the whole story.

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll. After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.Jul 19, 2023

 

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean ...

The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2023/07/19

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I’m having a lot of trouble with this.  
These aren’t parking ticket offenses.  $25 million Trump University fraud, civil rape and defamation to $88 million and now over $450 million in fraud…. But a kid steals a woman’s purse with $100 and he’s a felon. 
 

They're parking tickets. They may be very expensive parking tickets but that's really all they are.  In fact- actual parking tickets are closer to real crimes than some of those.

And yes there are differences between those and crimes.  Which is why he didn't get charged with actual rape (it's not 'civil rape' by the way for heaven's sake )  or REAL fraud.

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Trump’s criminal convictions are only a matter of time, but his lawlessness is extreme.  
 

 

Fact and accuracy is important.  Otherwise you just come across as a desperate person who's not honest.  It may well be that someday trump is convicted of a criminal charge. Fine to say  he's a criminal then.  It may also be perfectly valid to say that IN YOUR OPINION you believe that this day will come or even that it's "Most likely" that he will be found guilty in your belief.  All valid.

But when you  point to two civil cases that did NOT involve 'rape' or 'fraud' as per the criminal code and claim that proves he's a criminal, you weaken your case instead of strengthening it

There's enough things about trump that you can point to that you shouldn't need to make anything up or embellish.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But when you  point to two civil cases that did NOT involve 'rape' or 'fraud' as per the criminal code and claim that proves he's a criminal, you weaken your case instead of strengthening it

You're playing basketball with a retarded kid and calling him for double-dribble. 

Honestly, Rebound's posts are as good as your ever gonna get from a leftist. At least there's kinda, sorta an element of truthfulness to it.

A judge actually banged a gavel against some wood and said: "You lose, Twumpie!", right?

Let the kid do his victory dance:

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

The judge said the verdict did not mean that Carroll “failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’ Indeed ... the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

 

How terribly sad that you have to spend your energy excusing rape on technicalities.

How very sad that you have to warp the meaning of rape and lie about shit you cannot prove and sounds ridiculous. But

Tweenkies will be Tweenkies 

[Fluffypants]

I want to know what damages Carroll has over Trump saying he didn't rape her.

I wonder what her books sales would of looked like if there was no Trump in there or how many people would pay to interview if there was no Trump allegation.

What exactly is the hard evidence that he ever even touched her let alone raped her.

Then lets get to Leticia, where they used a consumer fraud statute for something no one even called fraud let alone did the consumer get hurt by it, in any way shape or form. The people that Trump purportedly defrauded don't even think they were defrauded.

For a "crime" were there no victims and everyone got their money. My favorite is how he "defrauded" the insurance company and made no claims against the property, so he essentially paid a much higher rate for insurance for no gain. That makes complete sense.

Do you not realize how crazy this is there was 0 due process, this was the kind of trial you see in banana republics. The judge convicted him before the trial started and then it was all about how much he was going to pay. Then Leticia puts how much she wants and he just gives it to her I bet if she said a trillion he would of given her that.

What is more insane is he has to have the money to pay just to appeal and only has 30 days to come up with 400 million. How is any of this even in the realm of justice.

OMG imagine just being Joe Schmoe where he gets a civil judgement for 2 million dollars without being able to defend himself and then they tell him if you want to appeal the decision you need to give us 2 million dollars and if Joe doesn't have that then the verdict stands and he loses everything.

Edited February 23, 2024 by Fluffypants

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

How very sad that you have to warp the meaning of rape and lie about shit you cannot prove and sounds ridiculous. But

Tweenkies will be Tweenkies 

How very said that you can't read WHAT THE JUDGE SAID. Duh

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

I want to know what damages Carroll has over Trump saying he didn't rape her.

I wonder what her books sales would of looked like if there was no Trump in there or how many people would pay to interview if there was no Trump allegation.

What exactly is the hard evidence that he ever even touched her let alone raped her.

Then lets get to Leticia, where they used a consumer fraud statute for something no one even called fraud let alone did the consumer get hurt by it, in any way shape or form. The people that Trump purportedly defrauded don't even think they were defrauded.

For a "crime" were there no victims and everyone got their money. My favorite is how he "defrauded" the insurance company and made no claims against the property, so he essentially paid a much higher rate for insurance for no gain. That makes complete sense.

Do you not realize how crazy this is there was 0 due process, this was the kind of trial you see in banana republics. The judge convicted him before the trial started and then it was all about how much he was going to pay. Then Leticia puts how much she wants and he just gives it to her I bet if she said a trillion he would of given her that.

What is more insane is he has to have the money to pay just to appeal and only has 30 days to come up with 400 million. How is any of this even in the realm of justice.

OMG imagine just being Joe Schmoe where he gets a civil judgement for 2 million dollars without being able to defend himself and then they tell him if you want to appeal the decision you need to give us 2 million dollars and if Joe doesn't have that then the verdict stands and he loses everything.

^This fantasy of yours is a very lame substitute for a NYS Judge's DECISION wrt NYS LAW.

Do you also fantasize that posting your OPINION here means ANYTHING in court? LMAO

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

How very said that you can't read WHAT THE JUDGE SAID. Duh

Yes dear...

[Rebound]

17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Errr...I believe he's appealing?

Ever get a parking ticket?

That I can admit. Trump should learn to just shut up sometimes. Does that mean he wouldn't be a better choice than ol' Rusty Brandon? Probably not huh?

To appeal, he must put up the money. Trump said in a sworn deposition that he has $400 million in cash on hand. Guess we’ll find out if that’s true, won’t we? 

Just curious: With all of Trump’s talk talk talk… What is the legal basis of his appeal? Did he not lie on all of those signed documents?

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

I want to know what damages Carroll has over Trump saying he didn't rape her.

I wonder what her books sales would of looked like if there was no Trump in there or how many people would pay to interview if there was no Trump allegation.

What exactly is the hard evidence that he ever even touched her let alone raped her.

Then lets get to Leticia, where they used a consumer fraud statute for something no one even called fraud let alone did the consumer get hurt by it, in any way shape or form. The people that Trump purportedly defrauded don't even think they were defrauded.

For a "crime" were there no victims and everyone got their money. My favorite is how he "defrauded" the insurance company and made no claims against the property, so he essentially paid a much higher rate for insurance for no gain. That makes complete sense.

Do you not realize how crazy this is there was 0 due process, this was the kind of trial you see in banana republics. The judge convicted him before the trial started and then it was all about how much he was going to pay. Then Leticia puts how much she wants and he just gives it to her I bet if she said a trillion he would of given her that.

What is more insane is he has to have the money to pay just to appeal and only has 30 days to come up with 400 million. How is any of this even in the realm of justice.

OMG imagine just being Joe Schmoe where he gets a civil judgement for 2 million dollars without being able to defend himself and then they tell him if you want to appeal the decision you need to give us 2 million dollars and if Joe doesn't have that then the verdict stands and he loses everything.

Where did you read that New York State Executive Law 63(12) pertains only to consumers?

“Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper.  The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.  The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct.  The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person.  Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and rules.  Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.”

The case of New York v Feldman has already established that this law does not pertain only to consumers, and nowhere does the law say that it only pertains to consumers. As you can see, the word “consumer” doesn’t even appear in this law.

You can read all of Judge Engoron’s summary decision, and see that he addressed each and every one of Trump’s objections, by stating the law and any prior legal decisions pertaining to their objections: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=op8OyfqVHpc6eGTx9LOw3Q==&system=prod

[Fluffypants]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

To appeal, he must put up the money. Trump said in a sworn deposition that he has $400 million in cash on hand. Guess we’ll find out if that’s true, won’t we? 

Just curious: With all of Trump’s talk talk talk… What is the legal basis of his appeal? Did he not lie on all of those signed documents?

Who says he did? Nobody involved with the transaction says he did. Valuations are subjective, Trump will say what he thinks its worth and the bank will tell him what they think its worth. This is how it works.

There is no precedence for what they did to him. Why did they go for civil vs criminal? Why aren't feds jumping on the bandwagon here? Everyone knows this will get overturned. There are 0 damages to anyone.

The Governor said the quiet part out loud and essentially told business owners don't worry we won't come after you, we just wanted Trump.

They know this will get overturned but it hamstrings Trump in short term.

Do you really think that all these cases are trying to be completed in an election year is a coincidence? Come on you liberals have to know this is wrong but you don't care because you are getting what you want.