Can russia invade ireland, switzerland and austria?

[western]

Can russia invade ireland, switzerland and austria? Isn't it safe for them to join nato?

Edited February 5, 2024 by western

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, western said:

Can russia invade ireland, switzerland and austria? Isn't it safe for then to join nato?

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[Moonbox]

Someone doesn't understand how geography works.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Russia would have its hands full taking on Austria these days - a full blown invasion of any of those neutral countries is highly unlikely. However, there is concern with recent Russian naval activity off the coast of Ireland where many cables and pipelines run.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468294220300605

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/russia-china-iran-could-target-uk-irish-backdoor-thinktank-warns

 

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

On 2/5/2024 at 1:46 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Russia would have its hands full taking on Austria these days - a full blown invasion of any of those neutral countries is highly unlikely. However, there is concern with recent Russian naval activity off the coast of Ireland where many cables and pipelines run.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468294220300605

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/04/russia-china-iran-could-target-uk-irish-backdoor-thinktank-warns

 

 

 

 

Cables and pipes? Oh that's Biden's territory. Don't tell the addled old fool or he'll go blow them up too.

[Aristides]

In the case of sabotaging cables and pipes, that would be an act of war against all the NATO countries that use them, not just Ireland.

[Dougie93]

Switzerland is practically invasion proof

during the Second World War the Swiss press would make fun of Adolf Hitler

Hitler would fly into a rage about, ordering that Switzerland be invaded

then the Nazi Generals would talk him out of it

since fighting in the vertical through the Swiss Alps would never yield a result

same thing applies now

same thing applies to the Austrian Alps

in terms of Ireland, any incursion there would incite a NATO response regardless of Article V

but even if not, Ireland is a ferocious place to try to control by force

 the Russians would find themselves getting massacred by the IRA in very short order

Edited February 8, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

On 2/7/2024 at 9:11 AM, Nationalist said:

Cables and pipes? Oh that's Biden's territory. Don't tell the addled old fool or he'll go blow them up too.

this is where things get interesting

if the Russians deploy the Belgorod for seabed warfare

because that can be done entirely covert

and even if NATO is up in the saddle on the Belgorod with SSN's

it would be World War Three on the spot soon as the torpedoes left their tubes

and frankly, NATO might not have the resolve to do it

thus with the nuclear submarine cruisers beneath the high seas

is where Russia could find a grey zone in which to wreak havoc, worldwide

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

this is where things get interesting

if the Russians deploy the Belgorod for seabed warfare

because that can be done entirely covert

and even if NATO is up in the saddle on the Belgorod with SSN's

it would be World War Three on the spot soon as the torpedoes left their tubes

and frankly, NATO might not have the resolve to do it

thus with the nuclear submarine cruisers beneath the high seas

is where Russia could find a grey zone in which to wreak havoc, worldwide

Yup. I don't really think Russia has any designs past Ukraine...but shit happens.

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yup. I don't really think Russia has any designs past Ukraine...but shit happens.

the wild card is Kaliningrad

 a Russian Oblast which is trapped behind the lines inside NATO territory

Kaliningrad is the Crimea of the north

headquarters of the Russian Baltic fleet

hence, if the Russians decide that Kaliningrad is threatened like Crimea was

then we could be away to the races on the Sulwaki Gap, from Belarus through Lithuania

in which the Russians would have to escalate to the high seas against NATO

once NATO is engaged with Russia in the West

the Chinese could then launch their invasion of Formosa

World War Three in a nutshell

[August1991]

On 2/5/2024 at 11:03 AM, Moonbox said:

Someone doesn't understand how geography works.

Vienna like Lemberg was once a wonderful city.

Then, Austria became a no-man's land.

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For a brief period in recent history, cities in Slovakia, Slovenia, Galicia had a rebirth.

 

[Moonbox]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Vienna like Lemberg was once a wonderful city.

Then, Austria became a no-man's land.

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For a brief period in recent history, cities in Slovakia, Slovenia, Galicia had a rebirth.

Why would you quote me here?  It has nothing to do with what I said, nor with the thread in general.  You're posting nonsense, and it's getting really boring.  Pretty soon you'll just go on ignore.  

[Aristides]

On 2/8/2024 at 3:59 PM, Nationalist said:

Yup. I don't really think Russia has any designs past Ukraine...but shit happens.

Putin claims Poland was at fault for Hitler's invasion because they wouldn't secede the Danzig Corridor to Germany. Why wouldn't he try to justify an invasion of the Baltic states to open a corridor to Kaliningrad using the same argument?

He knows that Hitler and Stalin signed an agreement to both invade Poland and split it between the two of them and that is what really happened.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2024 by Aristides

[Moonbox]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Putin claims Poland was at fault for Hitler's invasion because they wouldn't secede the Danzig Corridor to Germany. Why wouldn't he try to justify an invasion of the Baltic states to open a corridor to Kaliningrad using the same argument?

Because his army is a joke.  😉

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Because his army is a joke.  😉

Does it matter? sThe German army was weak when Hitler retook the Rhineland, annexed Austria and bullied the French and British to abandon Czechoslovakia. Every time the Allies backed down, he got a little braver and grabbed for more. 

It's worth noting that the only major European conflict since WW2 is the result of a non NATO member being invaded.

[Moonbox]

I’m not disagreeing with you.  I’m just saying that beyond nukes, Russia has no capability to really threaten NATO Baltic states.  They’re fully committed faceplanting into a country 1/4 their size fighting with NATO surplus gear. 

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I’m not disagreeing with you.  I’m just saying that beyond nukes, Russia has no capability to really threaten NATO Baltic states.  They’re fully committed faceplanting into a country 1/4 their size fighting with NATO surplus gear. 

But if the West backs down on Ukraine, why wouldn't he think they will do so again?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Putin claims Poland was at fault for Hitler's invasion because they wouldn't secede the Danzig Corridor to Germany. Why wouldn't he try to justify an invasion of the Baltic states to open a corridor to Kaliningrad using the same argument?

He knows that Hitler and Stalin signed an agreement to both invade Poland and split it between the two of them and that is what really happened.

 

 

Only a fool would believe everything Putin says...or Biden. Knowing both sides of a conflict is generally a good idea.

We know that Putin has a history fetish and rather strong feelings for keeping Ukraine close to Russia. 

We know he has very little trust in "The West" and we know why.

We know he'd like a peace treaty in Ukraine and that Donbas and Crimea are important to him.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Only a fool would believe everything Putin says...or Biden. Knowing both sides of a conflict is generally a good idea.

We know that Putin has a history fetish and rather strong feelings for keeping Ukraine close to Russia. 

We know he has very little trust in "The West" and we know why.

We know he'd like a peace treaty in Ukraine and that Donbas and Crimea are important to him.

Donbas and Crimea are also important to Ukraine. They are part of Ukraine.

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

Donbas and Crimea are also important to Ukraine. They are part of Ukraine.

Not anymore they're not. If they were so important to Ukraine, why did they attack Donbas in 2014? Why did they treat the ethnic Russians in the region so poorly, prior to 2014?

Edited February 11, 2024 by Nationalist

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Not anymore they're not. If they were so important to Ukraine, why did they attack Donbas in 2014? Why did they treat the ethnic Russians in the region so poorly, prior to 2014?

They didn't attack Donbas, they were fighting Russian backed separatists. 

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By January 2013, more than half of the ministers appointed by Yanukovych were either born in the Donbas region or made some crucial part of their careers there, and Yanukovych has been accused of "regional cronyism" for his staffing of police, judiciary, and tax services "all over Ukraine" with "Donbas people".^[174] Over 46% of the budget subventions for social and economic development was allotted to the Donbas region's Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast administrations – ₴0.62 billion ($76.2 million) versus ₴0.71 billion ($87.5 million) for the rest of the country.^[175]

 

Does that sound like the people of Donbas were treated poorly?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

They didn't attack Donbas, they were fighting Russian backed separatists. 

Does that sound like the people of Donbas were treated poorly?

Yes they did attack Donbas. 

[athos]

Why would Russia do that????

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[August1991]

On 2/10/2024 at 11:06 AM, Aristides said:

Putin claims Poland was at fault for Hitler's invasion because they wouldn't secede the Danzig Corridor to Germany. Why wouldn't he try to justify an invasion of the Baltic states to open a corridor to Kaliningrad using the same argument?

 

Our own Trudeau Snr once referred to the Danzig corridor.

Hitler needed space. Russia has too much history.

I am told that Canada has too much space, and not enough history.

Moonbox: I meant no harm.

 

 

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes they did attack Donbas. 

How do you attack your own country?