Canada’s fertility rate has hit its lowest level in recorded history

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I have heard friends say that they didn’t want to bring kids into the world the way it is today, which I think is sad. 

we are not sad, I assure you

24 years happily married, a romantic love affair

owning a dream home on a dream property

we want for nothing, we have it all

and besides, I've had plenty of experience rearing other people's children, as an infantry instructor at Battleschool

they were all my boys, I would have killed & died for every one of them, with that responsibility upon my shoulders

the full weight of the regimental history, the story of our people

 

[GroundskeeperWillie]

28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, I'm pragmatic. The fact is that governments around the world have been trying this and none of them have been successful. Not even China.

The Canadian government has been trying to make real Canadians have more babies.

 

HAHAHAHAH.  I didn't know you told such great jokes.

Edited February 3, 2024 by GroundskeeperWillie

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Still want that aircraft carrier.  

perhaps it would be more practical to simply have two LHD's

LHD-100 HMCS Juno

LHD-101 HMCS Vimy

Parati Vero Parati

[Michael Hardner]

37 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

The Canadian government has been trying to make real Canadians have more babies.

 

HAHAHAHAH.  I didn't know you told such great jokes.

Well, the daycare program is one example, baby bonuses another.

Do you have an example of a national program that's working anywhere in the world?

Keep in mind that there are practical limits on such things.

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...

until I saw my wife to be from across the room at McVeigh's New Windsor House Tavern in Toronto

 

Meeting your wife in a classic downtown Toronto watering hole is a guaranteed way to end up chained to an alcoholic wench for life.

Incidentally, that is exactly how I met my wife. West end version.

[Michael Hardner]

20 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Few people want to hear it, but these are key reasons why we have such low birth rates:

abortion

birth control

porn

feminism

promotion/normalization of same sex relationships

high levels of estrogen, atrazine, and other chemicals in the water, lowering fertility 

high cost of living

urbanization

gender ideology

 

For sure most of these are valid. Also the price of freedom.

If there's anything I can't agree more on, It's the sadness. I feel over childless couples.

And I feel sad about people not allowed to have kids because they can't afford it, and I feel sad about people who would rather go on all inclusive vacations then experience the joy of parenthood.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Meeting your wife in a classic downtown Toronto watering hole is a guaranteed way to end up chained to an alcoholic wench for life.

not at all

I knew Jimmy McVeigh personally

despite being a died in the wool Fenian

he treated all us 48th Highlanders and our consorts with the utmost respect

the Windsor was a family establishment

the Orange & Green together, under the Peace of the Canada's truce

in the name of Robert Baldwin & Louis Hyppolite-Lafonataine

Toronto the Good incarnate

Dileas Gu Brath

 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

not at all

I guess you missed the punch line 😕

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I guess you missed the punch line 😕

the Windsor is a very romantic place to me

not only did I meet my wife there, but she agreed to be my girlfriend on the spot, within two hours

i asked her if I could kiss her then, and she approved

just a gentle kiss on the lips

but then when she was leaving with her friends from U of T

I grabbed her and pulled her back for a passionate kiss

and all my brothers and the patrons whooped with Irish glee at the sight of it

it was like something out the movies

 

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

For sure most of these are valid. Also the price of freedom.

If there's anything I can't agree more on, It's the sadness. I feel over childless couples.

And I feel sad about people not allowed to have kids because they can't afford it, and I feel sad about people who would rather go on all inclusive vacations then experience the joy of parenthood.

You’re sounding wide awake on this.  Good. It comes down to practical considerations and values.  It’s about economic opportunity AND prevailing social mores.  It’s as basic as having a good economy and raising your kids with good values (at home, through the education system, social organizations such as church, and mass media).

[Dougie93]

54 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Incidentally, that is exactly how I met my wife. West end version.

may God bless your sacred marriage & lovely wife

my wife & I send our compliments

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...

it was like something out the movies

 

Well I do love your story. And I wasn't trying to impugn your relationship, but rather offer up that I met my wife the same way.... Anyway opportunity lost I guess

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

may God bless your sacred marriage & lovely wife

my wife & I send our compliments

Oh you did get it. I will be tippling with my wife tonight and some close friends.

And no matter how bad things get, if we can afford a small case of ales, we will always go back to the first night in our hearts 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

What's worse is that the government knows this, however it doesn't care.  It just keeps letting in more and more immigrants.

That is a major problem at the moment, and i think everyone knows it. The polls seem to suggest most people get it,

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

 It’s about economic opportunity AND prevailing social mores.

the two are bound together

only as free subjects of the British Crown in North America have we prospered

beyond my widest dreams as a boy

the dream wife, the dream home, on the dream property

HM Colonel-in-Chief has delivered on every promise, many times over

Godspeed, Elizabeth Windsor,  Queen of Canada

 

 

[TreeBeard]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Perhaps. Are they born and raised here with Canadian values and cultural beliefs? 

What values, or lack of, would make them less Canadian?  

 

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know what you’re saying, but I don’t know that there’s any longer a clear, agreed upon frame of reference for Canadian values.  It used to be primarily liberal-democratic and based on Judeo-Christian values and the family unit mainly with a married husband and wife, with a free market and modestly sized government.

Loyalist Scots Covenanters to found a New Jerusalem on the shores & in the woods of British North America 

Nec Aspera Terrent

[I am Groot]

44 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What values, or lack of, would make them less Canadian?  
 

The kind that are native to another country and foreign to this one. Like burquas, as one example, or even hijabs. Treating women like shit would be another.

Edited February 3, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That is a major problem at the moment, and i think everyone knows it. The polls seem to suggest most people get it,

 

Perhaps. But as yet not a single politician aside from Bernier, who is unemployed and likely to remain so - has suggested lowering immigration. Nor have the media. There've been a lot of column inches spent on the housing problem being caused by immigration, but their suggestions for change always focus on the foreign students and to a lessor extent foreign workers. Very few have dared to address actual immigration and call for a large cut.

[TreeBeard]

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The kind that are native to another country and foreign to this one. Like burquas, as one example, or even hijabs.

 

You think people of Chinese descent wear burqas and hijabs?  lol

12 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Treating women like shit would be another.

Considering they’re women, not much worry there.  
 

Sounds like they passed your values test!

[herbie]

We could have a national baby program like Germany's Lebensborn.

Hookers could spit out babies for medals and cash rewards, single women could drop off their unwanted babies. It would also reduce abortion. You should support it.

You can gripe later when too many of the babies turn out to be brown ones.

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

You can gripe later when too many of the babies turn out to be brown ones.

Caucasian hookers only or @blackbird would get upset!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Perhaps. But as yet not a single politician aside from Bernier, who is unemployed and likely to remain so - has suggested lowering immigration. Nor have the media. There've been a lot of column inches spent on the housing problem being caused by immigration, but their suggestions for change always focus on the foreign students and to a lessor extent foreign workers. Very few have dared to address actual immigration and call for a large cut.

PP absolutely has. He has stated outright numerous times that immigration must be brought to a level that is permanently tied to the actual infrastructure (primarily homes but medical etc) that is needed to support them.  Simply speaking if we only built 100 homes we can have 100 immigratns, with a thought given to medical and other infrastructure.

Now - he doesn't actually SAAAY that means it's coming down but that's what it means  we all know that right now we're building roughly about 1/3 of the homes we need to house the people we're bringing in each year. That's just how it is.

And he'll be quite justified if he cuts it way back for a bit to 'catch up',  but he's never going to out and out say that till after an election.

Bernier wants zero or near zero immigration and that's stupid. That would cause massive problems for us in the short and medium term.  Trudeau wants an infinite number and we've seen the results.

In between is a moderate number of immigrants, probably in the range of 250 - 300k per year total depending what's happening with construction, that would likely work well.

[I am Groot]

Putting this here because I just mentioned how the media is still solidly behind mass immigration, regardless of the demonstrated problems. You couldn't find a better example of the elites dictating their beliefs to the ignorant rabble from their penthouse window.

Starting with this bullshit statement all Liberals seem to believe in today.

With the exception of Canada’s Indigenous population, we are all settlers. 

No, you ignorant twat, we're not.

Then adding in

But the fact remains that Canada needs immigrants, badly. Statistics Canada reported last week that the total fertility rate has declined to 1.33 children per woman, far below 2.1 replacement rate that ensures a stable population. Without robust immigration, Canada would lack the workers needed to fill labour shortages, and to pay the taxes that sustain social services and pensions.

Ah, so bringing in masses of poverty-stricken people every year will help pay for social services and pensions, will it? Not sure how that's going to work, buddy. 

The system should worry less about filling this or that particular labour gap. Bring in the best and let them make their way. We have more than half a century of experience that proves how well this works.

So don't worry about targeting what we need, like medical workers and tradesmen. Just bring in anyone with a degree. And nice to know half a century of stagnant wages and diminishing standards of living prove the benefits of mass immigration?

Lastly, economic migration should be the focus of any expansion of overall immigration targets. 

Oh, we need still higher immigration? Because... because... oh, right, it's unparalleled, unquestioned good. Besides, YOU say so. And it's not for the rabble to question the wisdom of the Elites.

 

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