Proof: MAGA Means Liar

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

A jury, operating under the laws of the State of New York, unanimously ruled that rape occurred.  

No, they did not. What they ruled is that he's guilty of a civil crime because in their opinion it's' more likely that he did it than not.

It's a civil trial  the burden of proof was balance of probabilities or preponderance of the evidence as the us says. That is ENTIRELY different than the required 'proof beyond reasonable doubt' that would be necessary to make your claim'

So - a jury said "well, looking it all over, we're more likely to believe her than him whether it's been proven or not". That is the burden of proof and thats essentially what they said when they found him guilty.

And even then - that really isn't exaclty what they said because they didn't "rule" on that - it's considered ipso facto becaue they would have to agree that it was likely trump knew his statements were false about sexually touching her for them to rule that he was guilty of defamation.

Again- you have to lie to try to make your point.  Just stop.  A jury did not rule that the rape occurred -that NEVER happened

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No, they did not. What they ruled is that he's guilty of a civil crime because in their opinion it's' more likely that he did it than not.

It's a civil trial  the burden of proof was balance of probabilities or preponderance of the evidence as the us says. That is ENTIRELY different than the required 'proof beyond reasonable doubt' that would be necessary to make your claim'

So - a jury said "well, looking it all over, we're more likely to believe her than him whether it's been proven or not". That is the burden of proof and thats essentially what they said when they found him guilty.

And even then - that really isn't exaclty what they said because they didn't "rule" on that - it's considered ipso facto becaue they would have to agree that it was likely trump knew his statements were false about sexually touching her for them to rule that he was guilty of defamation.

Again- you have to lie to try to make your point.  Just stop.  A jury did not rule that the rape occurred -that NEVER happened

Dipshlt: "A Jury Unanimously Ruled That A Rape Occurred."

PS - Thanks for proving, once again, that MAGA Means Liar.

Edited January 29, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Dipshlt: "A Jury Unanimously Ruled That A Rape Occurred."

PS - Thanks for proving, once again, that MAGA Means Liar.

No, they did not. Thanks for proving that it's not maga's that are liars.

[impartialobserver]

There is no defending Alex Jones. Especially after you watch the video where he admits that the TV show is nothing but an act. He admits that he lies and does so in the name of entertainment. He has been caught in his lies and forced to retract his comments. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

There is no defending Alex Jones. Especially after you watch the video where he admits that the TV show is nothing but an act. He admits that he lies and does so in the name of entertainment. He has been caught in his lies and forced to retract his comments. 

That kind of IS his defense - if it's entertainment it doesnt' have to be accurate.  Lots of things on tv are not meant to be accurate.  You know that's not how CSI teams REALLY work right?

[impartialobserver]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That kind of IS his defense - if it's entertainment it doesnt' have to be accurate.  Lots of things on tv are not meant to be accurate.  You know that's not how CSI teams REALLY work right?

However.. he only admitted this after being sued multiple times and seeing his net worth diminish to almost nothing. Its one thing to just come out in the beginning and tell the audience that this is entertainment. It is quite another to only admit it after you have been proven wrong. 

[Rebound]

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That kind of IS his defense - if it's entertainment it doesnt' have to be accurate.  Lots of things on tv are not meant to be accurate.  You know that's not how CSI teams REALLY work right?

Well, it went to court and Jones lost a billion and change.  I found that very entertaining. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

A jury, operating under the laws of the State of New York, unanimously ruled that rape occurred.  

Wrong, dummy. He was found guilty of "sexual abuse", which can be as minor as groping a woman's breasts.

I'm not going to play this game where you take a meaningless leftard word and expand it to the fullest extent of the traditional definition of 'rape'.

[Caswell Thomas]

On 1/28/2024 at 3:50 AM, Nationalist said:

I've watched Trump's recorded deposition about this. Just now I went looking for it and to my complete shock...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wjR7E5h2uR4

Lol...such Tweenkies.

Libbies...you think you can stop us with lies and underhanded tactics. You cannot. Before the coming election, all independent voters will know what has taken place.

Of course...Trump will appeal and likely give another testimony. By the time November rolls around, all your seething lies and dirty tricks will be in plain view for all to see.

"...likely Trump will appeal and give us another testimony...". Hell, that's all he ever does...talk.  oh yes, and COMPLAIN. 

[Nationalist]

Just now, Caswell Thomas said:

"...likely Trump will appeal and give us another testimony...". Hell, that's all he ever does...talk.  oh yes, and COMPLAIN. 

And produce great results for Americans...who don't p1ss their pants at the very mention of him.

Oh wait...even them.

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong, dummy. He was found guilty of "sexual abuse", which can be as minor as groping a woman's breasts.

I'm not going to play this game where you take a meaningless leftard word and expand it to the fullest extent of the traditional definition of 'rape'.

You're way behind. Let me catch you up. LMAO

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll. After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.Jul 19, 2023

 

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean ...

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You're way behind. Let me catch you up. LMAO

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll. After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.Jul 19, 2023

 

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean ...

Like it says in your own link, Trump was found liable for "sexually abusing" E. Jean Caroll, stupid.

This is the definition of "sexual abuse", stupid:

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Degrees of Sexual Abuse

The baseline act of subjecting another person to sexual contact without the person's consent constitutes third-degree sexual abuse.

This is the definition of rape in NY State, stupid:

• Rape in the first degree is a class B felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with another person by forcible compulsion, or if the victim is less than 11 years old. It is punishable by a prison sentence of at least five years and up to 25 years.

• Rape in the second degree is a Class D felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is incapable of consent because they are less than 15 years of age, mentally disabled, or mentally incapacitated. It is punishable by imprisonment of up to seven years.

• Rape in the third degree is a Class E felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with a person who is incapable of consent because they are mentally incapacitated or physically helpless. It is punishable by imprisonment of up to four years.

There is a conversational leftard version of rape which includes "looked at me too hard", and there is a felony offence called rape, which Trump was not found guilty of.

Go ahead and find where it says that a jury found Trump "guilty of Rape in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree", stupid. Don't tell me what an activist judge thinks about a groping charge. I really don't give a shit. 

This thread needs to be renamed: "As if we needed any more evidence of how dishonest and stupid leftards are". 

Yoo-hoo, moddies....

(Don't bother saying it, I know. I was just kidding)

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Like it says in your own link, Trump was found liable for "sexually abusing" E. Jean Caroll, stupid.

This is the definition of "sexual abuse", stupid:

This is the definition of rape in NY State, stupid:

• Rape in the first degree is a class B felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with another person by forcible compulsion, or if the victim is less than 11 years old. It is punishable by a prison sentence of at least five years and up to 25 years.

• Rape in the second degree is a Class D felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is incapable of consent because they are less than 15 years of age, mentally disabled, or mentally incapacitated. It is punishable by imprisonment of up to seven years.

• Rape in the third degree is a Class E felony and applies when an individual engages in sexual intercourse with a person who is incapable of consent because they are mentally incapacitated or physically helpless. It is punishable by imprisonment of up to four years.

There is a conversational leftard version of rape which includes "looked at me too hard", and there is a felony offence called rape, which Trump was not found guilty of.

Go ahead and find where it says that a jury found Trump "guilty of Rape in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree", stupid. Don't tell me what an activist judge thinks about a groping charge. I really don't give a shit. 

This thread needs to be renamed: "As if we needed any more evidence of how dishonest and stupid leftards are". 

Yoo-hoo, moddies....

(Don't bother saying it, I know. I was just kidding)

Like it says in my own link:

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll.

AKA, it's the judge who gets the LAST word on what the jury findings mean, stupid.

Why can't you just admit that you were WRONG and you don't know crap about NYS law, stupid?

 

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Like it says in my own link:

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll.

AKA, it's the judge who gets the LAST word on what the jury findings mean, stupid.

Why can't you just admit that you were WRONG and you don't know crap about NYS law, stupid?

The judge was NOT talking about the felony crime of "Rape in the 1st degree, Rape in the 2nd degree, or Rape in the 3rd degree" stupid, because he didn't say that. 

He just use the word rape in the broad, meaningless leftard context. 

And let's be completely clear on something, dummy: By Caroll's own story, which I posted here, at no point did she communicate physically or verbally to Trump that she wasn't interested in hoing it up when she agreeed to go into the change-room with him to model lingerie for him. She was definitely not "raped", she was just unhappy that he treated her like a skank. There's a huge difference. 

Edited January 30, 2024 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

The judge was NOT talking about the felony crime of "Rape in the 1st degree, Rape in the 2nd degree, or Rape in the 3rd degree" stupid, because he didn't say that. 

I didn't say he did. I just told you what he said, stupid.

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

He just use the word rape in the broad, meaningless leftard context. 

He used the word in the NYS LEGAL CONTEXT.

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

And let's be completely clear on something, dummy: By Caroll's own story, which I posted here, at no point did she communicate physically or verbally to Trump that she wasn't interested in hoing it up when she agreeed to go into the change-room with him to model lingerie for him. 

Unless a woman asks for it, NO MEANS NO at ANY TIME.

Of course you never understand that Trump BRAGGED about doing exactly what he did to Carroll which I'm sure was a big factor in the legal finding by the JURY.

And I'm also sure that that your OPINION means NOTHING in that court.

 

 

[WestCanMan]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I didn't say he did. I just told you what he said, stupid.

He used the word in the NYS LEGAL CONTEXT.

In the broadest possible sense, where leftards refer to unwanted looks as rape.

If he meant rape in the nth degree he would have said it. It's a completely different thing from "sexual abuse". I already showed you that, right from legal websites which post the definitions.

A court wouldn't record the charge as "sexual abuse" if it was "rape in the 1st/2nd/3rd degree". 

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Unless a woman asks for it, NO MEANS NO at ANY TIME.

You say that now, in a case where Trump's own accuser admitted that she was going along with everything and just giggling, but you don't mean that when we're talking about Bill Clinton's actual rapes. What's the difference?

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Of course you never understand that Trump BRAGGED about doing exactly what he did to Carroll which I'm sure was a big factor in the legal finding by the JURY.

Judging by how sexually promiscuous she is, and her general lack of class and integrity, no doubt Caroll bragged about having her **** grabbed at some point too. It's just not on tape, or at least we haven't seen the tape.

Edited January 30, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

However.. he only admitted this after being sued multiple times and seeing his net worth diminish to almost nothing. Its one thing to just come out in the beginning and tell the audience that this is entertainment. It is quite another to only admit it after you have been proven wrong. 

Fair point.  Although i seem to remember a judge ruling on such a case somewhere and saying words to the effect that "his arguments are so stupid a reasonable man should have know it was just infotainment and not relied on it".   I wonder if that would apply here?

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

In the broadest possible sense, where leftards refer to unwanted looks as rape.

If he meant rape in the nth degree he would have said it. It's a completely different thing from "sexual abuse". I already showed you that, right from legal websites which post the definitions.

A court wouldn't record the charge as "sexual abuse" if it was "rape in the 1st/2nd/3rd degree". 

You say that now, in a case where Trump's own accuser admitted that she was going along with everything and just giggling, but you don't mean that when we're talking about Bill Clinton's actual rapes. What's the difference?

Judging by how sexually promiscuous she is, and her general lack of class and integrity, no doubt Caroll bragged about having her **** grabbed at some point too. It's just not on tape, or at least we haven't seen the tape.

Promiscuous! High heels! She was practically begging to be raped!

Are you playing misogyny bingo or something?

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In the broadest possible sense, where leftards refer to unwanted looks as rape.

If he meant rape in the nth degree he would have said it. It's a completely different thing from "sexual abuse". I already showed you that, right from legal websites which post the definitions.

A court wouldn't record the charge as "sexual abuse" if it was "rape in the 1st/2nd/3rd degree". 

You say that now, in a case where Trump's own accuser admitted that she was going along with everything and just giggling, but you don't mean that when we're talking about Bill Clinton's actual rapes. What's the difference?

Judging by how sexually promiscuous she is, and her general lack of class and integrity, no doubt Caroll bragged about having her **** grabbed at some point too. It's just not on tape, or at least we haven't seen the tape.

You seem to believe you KNOW a lot about what happened for someone who WAS NOT THERE, and didn't hear the EVIDENCE heard by the JURY.

Just like you PRETEND to know about NYS LAW.

Face it MAGA CULT man, your hero, der leader, is going down. He has skirted too close to the edge too many times.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Promiscuous! High heels! She was practically begging to be raped!

Are you playing misogyny bingo or something?

Was that your takeaway, genius? She wore 4" heels so she deserved to be raped?

Buddy, my wife wears heels almost every day and she's far from promiscuous. 

The main difference between Caroll and my wife is that in the entirety of her life, my wife has never met a strange dude on the street and agreed to model lingerie for him ten minutes later.

Even if the dude was standing outside the door that would whorish, but Caroll let him come into the change room with him. 

Would your wife do that? Your mom? Your daughter? 

Think about the one girl you might know who'd do something like that... How do people describe her? 

Do they call her a whore? Ho? Slut? Bimbo? Trollop? Of course they do. Because she is. Those words literally exist to describe people like E. Jean Caroll. There's no other reason for them. 

 

Trump thought for sure knew he was getting sex when she let him in the change room, he just thought that she wanted it a certain way, and she laughed multiple times while he was doing it. Was he so wrong? 

No. But he's deeply unpopular, especially in alt-leftard shitholes like NYC.  

[Hodad]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Was that your takeaway, genius? She wore 4" heels so she deserved to be raped?

Buddy, my wife wears heels almost every day and she's far from promiscuous. 

The main difference between Caroll and my wife is that in the entirety of her life, my wife has never met a strange dude on the street and agreed to model lingerie for him ten minutes later.

Even if the dude was standing outside the door that would whorish, but Caroll let him come into the change room with him. 

Would your wife do that? Your mom? Your daughter? 

Think about the one girl you might know who'd do something like that... How do people describe her? 

Do they call her a whore? Ho? Slut? Bimbo? Trollop? Of course they do. Because she is. Those words literally exist to describe people like E. Jean Caroll. There's no other reason for them. 

 

Trump thought for sure knew he was getting sex when she let him in the change room, he just thought that she wanted it a certain way, and she laughed multiple times while he was doing it. Was he so wrong? 

No. But he's deeply unpopular, especially in alt-leftard shitholes like NYC.  

Yes, clearly he was wrong. That much is obvious.

Flirting and flattery and titillation are all wrapped up in encounters like that. It may very well be that Carroll could have been attracted to Trump or interested in seeing where that might lead. They were, after all, in their fifties at that point. 

Any attraction and curiosity probably evaporated pretty quickly when it turned out he was a farking rapist. 

[Caswell Thomas]

23 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And produce great results for Americans...who don't p1ss their pants at the very mention of him.

Oh wait...even them.

Under Trump the Cost if Living for everyone went up every year thanks to the huge tax breaks he gave to wealthy corporations and especially billionaires, meanwhile regular American citizen tax rates all went UP.  Don't babble about pis*sing pants when the biggest mustard-colored stain is still running down the back of the Greatest MAGA.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Under Trump the Cost if Living for everyone went up every year thanks to the huge tax breaks he gave to wealthy corporations and especially billionaires, meanwhile regular American citizen tax rates all went UP.  Don't babble about pis*sing pants when the biggest mustard-colored stain is still running down the back of the Greatest MAGA.

Ummm - no.

The law retained the old structure of seven individual income tax brackets, but in most cases, it lowered the rates. The top rate fell from 39.6% to 37%, while the 33% bracket dropped to 32%, the 28% bracket to 24%, the 25% bracket to 22%, and the 15% bracket to 12%. The lowest bracket remained at 10%, and the 35% bracket was also unchanged.3 The income bands that the new rates applied to are lower, compared to 2018 brackets under current law, for the five highest brackets.

He lowered taxes for everyone.  He lowered them MORE for the rich arguably but everyone got a tax break.

In addition the average wage went up sharply under trump. So the average person had more money not less.

Why don't you look this stuff up before you post?

[impartialobserver]

On 1/29/2024 at 5:37 PM, CdnFox said:

Fair point.  Although i seem to remember a judge ruling on such a case somewhere and saying words to the effect that "his arguments are so stupid a reasonable man should have know it was just infotainment and not relied on it".   I wonder if that would apply here?

His net worth relies on folks taking him seriously though. Why buy the books and merchandise if you view him to be an entertainer much the same as Lebron James or Taylor Swift. The first time I saw his show.. I thought to myself, "why would someone find some grown man yelling and screaming continuously to be must-see-tv". Apparently, there is a market/audience for this. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Under Trump the Cost if Living for everyone went up every year thanks to the huge tax breaks he gave to wealthy corporations and especially billionaires, meanwhile regular American citizen tax rates all went UP.  Don't babble about pis*sing pants when the biggest mustard-colored stain is still running down the back of the Greatest MAGA.

Ya well...no.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/