The many problems with Electric vehicles.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Off topic, but again i will ask you, What would you do if you had a partner in some business that did not pull their weight? Would you keep on trying to support your partner or would you ask them to pull their weight or else? I know what i would be saying. So, are you going to answer my question or ignore it?  Just wondering. 

Everything you’re saying is ridiculous.  You’re pulling excuses out of your butt to make excuses why EV’s won’t work… when they’re already working today and their owners are very satisfied with them.  
 

We will not need hundreds of millions of chargers.  
America’s electric grid has expanded its capacity at a rate of 15% per year for every year.  
Electricity can come from fossil fuels, but it can come from many renewable sources as well, including hydro, wind, solar and geothermal. The more we develop a renewable energy infrastructure, the stronger our economy will be. Oil companies want to stop it, but our entire manufacturing economy will be far stronger with renewable energy because it is less expensive and not affected by global fuel prices.  
 

There will be people who will continue to be better served by gasoline and diesel for many years to come. We certainly won’t transition the airplanes, trains, tractors, and long distance trucking we don’t know yet. But the more we move our consumption from petro to renewables, the stronger our nation will be. 

[herbie]

19 hours ago, Rebound said:

But the answer is that a car charger is way less impact than a fricking gas station, which needs great big underground storage tanks and fire suppression equipment and smells like… gasoline.

Even one coal fired plant that can charge 100,000 electric cars emits less CO2 than 100,000 gas vehicles, but no,,, that's too hard for some people to grasp.
Just like the fact if you drive 50km to work and back everyday. you are the stupid one for not owning a BEV, a PHEV already, Admit it, you just can't afford a new car you you've found something to whine about the people who can,

I enjoy Scotty Kilmer's videos, but as far as electrification of cars, he's an obstinate id10t. Just the other day mentioned a guy in Northern Manitoba with an F150 Lightning who's range was cut massively at -40 degrees. Adn another who's Tesla took hours to charge as reasons not to go electric.
Failing to mention the Tesla was intentionally left outside in the cold overnight on purpose to show what happens if you freeze the battery. Or that someone in rural Manitoba should consider an F150 EV only, let alone go for a 'drive' at -40.
Things common sense NOT TO DO being used to make con EV arguments.
If it's -40 your gas or diesel F350 won't start unless you left it plugged in, your tires are gonna go flop flop for miles, steel parts are gonna snap if you hit a pothole and even if you have full defrost blasting right at your face the whole time the slightest moisture's gonna ice up the outside of your window so you can barely see. The leas"plus" in an ICE vehicle is that some of the energy p1ssed away by ICE as heat will keep you warm.
Think about licking a flagpole at -40 and clue into how cold a battery the size in an F150 Lightning and made entirely out of metal gets and how much energy it takes to warm it up, knowing since you were 6 that your D cell barely runs a flashlight when it's cold unless you stick it in your pocket for a while. If I leave my vape on the dashboard at -20 just to run in and buy more pods, it's only good for a couple drags unless I sit it on the heater.

So let's be honest, the gripe is you can't afford an EV and from some of the responses about prices, you can't afford a new car at all. At the start of this thread we saw "well if they were available for $20,000" posts when the average price Canadians spent last year for new vehicles last year was well over fifty thousand dollars.

[herbie]

Don't like EVs and want to do something actually constructive other than whine on an obscure Internet forum?
Then start lobbying your MP, not to end the EV mandate but to amend it with a 5-10 year grace period for simple hybrids. They reduce CO2 significantly, are cheaper than plug-in hybrids and BEVs and run exactly like your car does today. Sure, ban new ICE only in 2035 but use the same reasoning as with natural gas - it's less damaging and an interim step that is doable right now.

Lay off criticism of everything new you just don't understand like renewable energy sources, hydrogen, fuel cell EVs, etc. They're all coming but we can't do it by tomorrow morning.

* addressing the pooh-poohing of hydrogen as it's "too expensive" right now, do you know what that definition of too expensive" is?  Research it and discover that a hydrogen fill up costs almost as much as gasoline fill already does in Vancouver !
Oh the horror, the horror... the world would collapse.

[taxme]

On 2/14/2024 at 12:15 PM, Rebound said:

Everything you’re saying is ridiculous.  You’re pulling excuses out of your butt to make excuses why EV’s won’t work… when they’re already working today and their owners are very satisfied with them.  
 

We will not need hundreds of millions of chargers.  
America’s electric grid has expanded its capacity at a rate of 15% per year for every year.  
Electricity can come from fossil fuels, but it can come from many renewable sources as well, including hydro, wind, solar and geothermal. The more we develop a renewable energy infrastructure, the stronger our economy will be. Oil companies want to stop it, but our entire manufacturing economy will be far stronger with renewable energy because it is less expensive and not affected by global fuel prices.  
 

There will be people who will continue to be better served by gasoline and diesel for many years to come. We certainly won’t transition the airplanes, trains, tractors, and long distance trucking we don’t know yet. But the more we move our consumption from petro to renewables, the stronger our nation will be. 

Are you a PR spokesmen for the EV industry? Sales for EV's have been declining for several months now and many EV owners want to now go back to an ICE vehicle because they are more reliable. Anyone has to just go on YouTube to find that out. This push for EV's is just another climate crazy globalist bunch of bull crap. Even Elon Musk has been dropping the price for his Tesla's because the sales are way down. I have mentioned many times here where EV's are more of a danger than what ICE vehicles will ever be. 

The poor bastards that  bought an EV when they first came out has found the price of their EV's drastically reduced in price. When new, a Tesla was going for around a $110,000. Now they are worth approx. $60,000 and dropping. Some investment alright. Only dummies will continue to fall for this EV con job. And you were no doubt one of them. Lol. 

There will be a need for hundreds of millions of new EV chargers being placed all over, on the millions of city streets of North America alone, for EV owners to be able to charge their EV's up overnight. That is a fact. and not fiction. I will never have to worry about anything like that with me owning an ICE vehicle. The very cold weather alone will drain the battery of it's power. There will be constant charging needed to keep an EV going in cold weather. And if one lives in an isolated area, good luck to them. The price of electricity will keep going up for them. 

Again, i will ask you. Would you stay in business with someone who would not pull their weight to help keep their company going? That is all what Trump has said, and that is that if the NATO partners do not want to pay their fair share, to help keep NATO up and running then why should the American people make up the difference? Well? What say you, EV boy? 😁

 

 

 

[herbie]

FYI in Canada, after BC and Quebec the 3rd fastest adopter of EVs is the Yukon Territory.. Yeah - where ir's cold and they supposedly "don't work".

And this supposed backlog of unsold EVs is in the USA, not here where you'd be lucky not to wait 6 mos to get one.
Their surplus might just have something to do with the overpriced missed the market beginner's attempts by Ford & GM are the root of the problem.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

FYI in Canada, after BC and Quebec the 3rd fastest adopter of EVs is the Yukon Territory.. Yeah - where ir's cold and they supposedly "don't work".

And this supposed backlog of unsold EVs is in the USA, not here where you'd be lucky not to wait 6 mos to get one.
Their surplus might just have something to do with the overpriced missed the market beginner's attempts by Ford & GM are the root of the problem.

So not alberta or sask or manitoba.  Interesting  

Of course when you have that small a population if 4 people buy EV"s it represents a huge percent of new car sales  

Sounds like most manufacturers are backing away from the full ev concept a bit and revisiting hybrids.

[herbie]

Picking at straws there.

As usual....

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Picking at straws there.

As usual....

Stating the facts.  Which freaks you out. As usual....

[Rebound]

On 2/17/2024 at 2:20 PM, taxme said:

Are you a PR spokesmen for the EV industry? Sales for EV's have been declining for several months now and many EV owners want to now go back to an ICE vehicle because they are more reliable. Anyone has to just go on YouTube to find that out. This push for EV's is just another climate crazy globalist bunch of bull crap. Even Elon Musk has been dropping the price for his Tesla's because the sales are way down. I have mentioned many times here where EV's are more of a danger than what ICE vehicles will ever be. 

The poor bastards that  bought an EV when they first came out has found the price of their EV's drastically reduced in price. When new, a Tesla was going for around a $110,000. Now they are worth approx. $60,000 and dropping. Some investment alright. Only dummies will continue to fall for this EV con job. And you were no doubt one of them. Lol. 

There will be a need for hundreds of millions of new EV chargers being placed all over, on the millions of city streets of North America alone, for EV owners to be able to charge their EV's up overnight. That is a fact. and not fiction. I will never have to worry about anything like that with me owning an ICE vehicle. The very cold weather alone will drain the battery of it's power. There will be constant charging needed to keep an EV going in cold weather. And if one lives in an isolated area, good luck to them. The price of electricity will keep going up for them. 

Again, i will ask you. Would you stay in business with someone who would not pull their weight to help keep their company going? That is all what Trump has said, and that is that if the NATO partners do not want to pay their fair share, to help keep NATO up and running then why should the American people make up the difference? Well? What say you, EV boy? 😁

 

 

 

Oh, so sorry!  I didn't realize I was speaking to a Lex Luthor-level genius! You must be the first person to ever figure out that when gas prices go UP, EV sales go UP, and when gas prices go DOWN, EV sales go DOWN. 

What would we have done without you?

In other staggering news: When gas prices go UP, SUV sales go DOWN. When it is raining, umbrella sales go UP. When it snows, snow shovel sales go UP. They sell more show shovels in the North than in the South. 

[robosmith]

On 2/14/2024 at 10:43 AM, taxme said:

 

There are approx. 330 million people in America and most of them have two to three cars in one family, not to forget about all of the trucks and buses on the roads. I cannot see all the truck drivers in America having to stop every 300 miles or so to have to charge up their EV trucks or buses. They both run on schedules. They do not have the time to sit around and wait for their vehicles to charge up. Time is money. America will probably need hundreds of millions of those EV charging units to try and help keep the economy up and running. America does not need hundreds of millions of gas stations around in America. A few hundred thousand gas stations will no doubt do the trick.

Look dum-dum, those chargers still need to use fossil fuels to work and thus are still adding carbon into the atmosphere. Those underground storage tanks are not sitting on some gas stations lot. They are in the ground so nobody can see them or smell them. The only time i smell gas is when i stop to fill up my ICE vehicles gas tank. Otherwise, i never can smell it anywhere once i leave the gas stations.

EV's are just another globalist elite scam invention to try and force us all to get rid of our ICE vehicles and go EV. No thanks, i am quite happy with my ICE vehicle. Even those globalist elite scum do not practice what they preach. I cannot see globalist elites ever taking a seat in the economy section of any ordinary plane and sitting there with we the peasants. 

Like the Kennedy assassination, the Twin Towers, Covid, the climate crisis, EV's and probably aliens will be next, they were all just a part of more globalist created bullshit to keep us all dumb and believing in lies and to suck the dollars out of our pockets. The more people like you keep believing their globalist lies and bullshit, the richer they will get while the more poorer you will become. Just more of my conspiracy beliefs at work here. LOL. 

 

Hey, did you know that Sweden just opened the first highway with charge while driving (wireless embedded charging)?

In the near term that's the only way semi trucks are going to be practical.

In the longer term better batteries will charge MUCH FASTER.

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Hey, did you know that Sweden just opened the first highway with charge while driving (wireless embedded charging)?

In the near term that's the only way semi trucks are going to be practical.

In the longer term better batteries will charge MUCH FASTER.

This guy’s a total fool. 

There are about 110,000 gas stations in America but he thinks we would need hundreds of millions of public vehicle chargers. Fleas have bigger brains than him.

[taxme]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:54 AM, Rebound said:

Oh, so sorry!  I didn't realize I was speaking to a Lex Luthor-level genius! You must be the first person to ever figure out that when gas prices go UP, EV sales go UP, and when gas prices go DOWN, EV sales go DOWN. 

What would we have done without you?

In other staggering news: When gas prices go UP, SUV sales go DOWN. When it is raining, umbrella sales go UP. When it snows, snow shovel sales go UP. They sell more show shovels in the North than in the South. 

And when brain cells were being passed out, you missed the hand out. Oh, so sorry or not for you. 😁

So, where did you get that kind of bullshit nonsense from that when gas prices go up, EV sales go up or vice-versa? I keep hearing that EV sales have been going down steadily for months now, and it has nothing to do with gas sales. Only fools and buffoons buy EV vehicles these days. They are just too much hassle and too expensive to run and repair for many owners of EV's now. Even EV vehicle insurance is more expensive to buy than insurance on ICE vehicles. They are just too costly to repair. And like i already said? I can fill up a gas can with gas. Can you fill up a gas can with electricity? Bet you cannot? LOL.

Exactly. I am only here to enlighten you on just how stunned you really are. Your welcome!! 

Indeed, you are speaking to a genius and thank you for noticing that. 😁

[taxme]

On 2/21/2024 at 8:37 PM, robosmith said:

Hey, did you know that Sweden just opened the first highway with charge while driving (wireless embedded charging)?

In the near term that's the only way semi trucks are going to be practical.

In the longer term better batteries will charge MUCH FASTER.

Great for Sweden. But how does this charging of trucks work? How can a battery be charged while driving? Just asking. 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

Great for Sweden. But how does this charging of trucks work? How can a battery be charged while driving? Just asking. 

Wireless embedded charging uses magnetic induction to charge the batteries through a coil in the vehicle, while driving over coils embedded in the highway. It's just like a transformer uses magnetism to transfer the power from one coil to another.

[Rebound]

12 hours ago, taxme said:

 I can fill up a gas can with gas. Can you fill up a gas can with electricity? Bet you cannot? LOL.

I can fill up a battery with electricity. Can you fill up a battery with gas? Bet you cannot! LOL! 
 

I can charge my electric car battery from an outlet in my home. Can you fill a car with gasoline from an outlet in your house? Bet you cannot! LOL! LOL! 

Edited February 26, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

I can fill up a battery with electricity. Can you fill up a battery with gas? Bet you cannot! LOL!

You can - i dont' think it' would be a good idea tho

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I can charge my electric car battery from an outlet in my home.

Not really tho.  It would take a long long time from most outlets .

And there's the problem. But i think you knew that and just didn't want to deal with the truth of the matter  

[taxme]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Wireless embedded charging uses magnetic induction to charge the batteries through a coil in the vehicle, while driving over coils embedded in the highway. It's just like a transformer uses magnetism to transfer the power from one coil to another.

Just curious as to how much it will cost all the taxpayer's, especially those taxpayer's who own an ICE vehicle, have to pay to have installed the hundreds of millions of those coils that will be needed and embedded in the highway?  

Will an ICE owner have to help pay for all of those embedded coils placed in the ground or will it just be EV owners that will pay an extra cost to have those coils installed in the highway? This sounds to me like something that will no doubt cost the average taxpayer's hundreds of millions if not billions of their tax dollars to install all of those coils that will be required. 

Once again, this looks to me like another big gigantic ripoff for taxpayer's especially for those drivers who own an ICE vehicle. This appears to be just another big government climate crisis bullshit boondoggle. 👎

 

[taxme]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

I can fill up a battery with electricity. Can you fill up a battery with gas? Bet you cannot! LOL! 
 

I can charge my electric car battery from an outlet in my home. Can you fill a car with gasoline from an outlet in your house? Bet you cannot! LOL! LOL! 

Well, that is one stupid reply if ever i have seen one? 

If i go way into the bush somewhere for a week, i can bring along as many cans of gasoline that i think that i will be needing for me to get back home. Can you can electricity for your EV if you decide to go in the bush for a week? You bloody well know that you cannot. I do not need to worry about filling up my gas tank at home. I can do that before i go home. No EV wiring or outlets required nor do i need to have a gas station on hand at home. LOL. LOL. LOL. 

 

 

[OftenWrong]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Wireless embedded charging uses magnetic induction to charge the batteries through a coil in the vehicle, while driving over coils embedded in the highway. It's just like a transformer uses magnetism to transfer the power from one coil to another.

It's grossly inefficient, not like a transformer which has a solid core. With this the magnetic coupling is through air. Although, what I read said they haven't settled on the final design yet. The other designs use a rail like a streetcar, or have a metal bar connecting the vehicle to the power line. 

For the air core they would need to increase the frequency.

Sounds bad for your health, might cook the gunads

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Well, that is one stupid reply if ever i have seen one? 

If i go way into the bush somewhere for a week, i can bring along as many cans of gasoline that i think that i will be needing for me to get back home. Can you can electricity for your EV if you decide to go in the bush for a week? You bloody well know that you cannot. I do not need to worry about filling up my gas tank at home. I can do that before i go home. No EV wiring or outlets required nor do i need to have a gas station on hand at home. LOL. LOL. LOL. 

You can take solar panels and/or wind turbines with you to charge your EV.

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

You can take solar panels and/or wind turbines with you to charge your EV.

That would be grossly innefficient as well. If I recall the total amount of energy in sunlight is about 1 kilowatt per square meter, and most of that is HEAT, not LIGHT.

But hey, I'm sure you propeller-heads will figure it all out some day.

Me, I'ma gonna sit back and chillax. All our problems will be solved, once they invent transporter beams.  🤙

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

That would be grossly innefficient as well. If I recall the total amount of energy in sunlight is about 1 kilowatt per square meter, and most of that is HEAT, not LIGHT.

But hey, I'm sure you propeller-heads will figure it all out some day.

Me, I'ma gonna sit back and chillax. All our problems will be solved, once they invent transporter beams.  🤙

It's not just inefficient - it's impossible in practical terms.

With current solar panel tech even if your roof and hood were covered in panels, you were parked outside facing south with no obstructions around you and it was sunny all day it would still require about a week  of charging to recharge an electric vehicle. And that's in perfect conditions.

and anything you add to the exterior after the fact screws with the areodynamics of the vehicle and you lose range.

Even a home based solar grid is unlikely to provide enough power to give  a full charge in a day to an ev. At best it coudl top it up after short trips.

if it were even remotely useful all ev's would be sold with solar tech built in.

The things lefties come up with sometimes is staggering

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's not just inefficient - it's impossible in practical terms.

With current solar panel tech even if your roof and hood were covered in panels, you were parked outside facing south with no obstructions around you and it was sunny all day it would still require about a week  of charging to recharge an electric vehicle. And that's in perfect conditions.

and anything you add to the exterior after the fact screws with the areodynamics of the vehicle and you lose range.

Even a home based solar grid is unlikely to provide enough power to give  a full charge in a day to an ev. At best it coudl top it up after short trips.

if it were even remotely useful all ev's would be sold with solar tech built in.

The things lefties come up with sometimes is staggering

Thanks, dummy. 
Now we’ll look at actual facts, instead of listening to you make stuff up. 
Depending on where you live (Canada sux, BTW), one residential solar panel outputs 546 to 874 kWh per year. An EV driven the U.S. average of 14,000 miles consumes about 4,000 kWh of electricity per year. So 4 1/2 to 7 solar panels will charge a car for a year. 
 

But, no, it would not be possible to charge a car by using solar panels mounted only on the car. But I t could supplement or get you 5-20 miles. Then again, 110VAC is more readily available than gasoline, if you’re truly stuck somewhere.  You can transport or store electricity with a battery, just as you can carry gas in a can. 

[taxme]

On 2/26/2024 at 4:32 PM, robosmith said:

You can take solar panels and/or wind turbines with you to charge your EV.

Okay. So, if i ever decide to buy an EV, i feel safe in the knowing that i can bring with me some solar panels and a wind turbine and put them in my trunk when i go fishing or hunting in the bush for weeks. I feel a lot better knowing that. 😁

So, what do EV owners do that live in high rise buildings and have to park their EV's on the street? Where can they charge their EV batteries? Just asking. 

[taxme]

On 2/27/2024 at 8:23 AM, CdnFox said:

It's not just inefficient - it's impossible in practical terms.

With current solar panel tech even if your roof and hood were covered in panels, you were parked outside facing south with no obstructions around you and it was sunny all day it would still require about a week  of charging to recharge an electric vehicle. And that's in perfect conditions.

and anything you add to the exterior after the fact screws with the areodynamics of the vehicle and you lose range.

Even a home based solar grid is unlikely to provide enough power to give  a full charge in a day to an ev. At best it coudl top it up after short trips.

if it were even remotely useful all ev's would be sold with solar tech built in.

The things lefties come up with sometimes is staggering

This is just another EV owner grasping for straws. They know that they are screwed but they have to try and save face. I have read that many EV owners want to go back to an ICE vehicle. I know that will be sticking with my ICE vehicle for a very longtime. My ICE vehicle works well for me. There will be no need for me to have to charge up my battery every day. 😇