Definition of MAGA.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Bankruptcy?  Hey @Nationalist,   if you're short on cash we can put together a go-fund-me to raise cash for you to smak robodope in the back of the head    A campaign like that should be able to raise a few million over night, you'll be liquid in no time  

Giggle...

Thanks but, no need. Besides...go-fund-me would just freeze the assets.

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And that money comes from where? That's right...public tax funds.

The end.

Exactly. Where else? It don't come from bunny-farts, that's for sure.

Only a ruby rube would argue that.    

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Giggle...

Thanks but, no need. Besides...go-fund-me would just freeze the assets.

Well that's only fair - based on his rants here id' say Robosmith's had his "assets" frozen for years now.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Congrats for finally catching on. Took a while to get there. 

No injection of cash into NATO. Just countries spending on their own militaries. 👍

Ahem

Not that you'll care, because these are facts and we know how you feel about facts, but that is not accurate.
IF defense spending is a result of a necessary expenditure deriving from nato membership directly then EVEN IF the funds stay in the country and are spent by the country - it's still nato related spending.

In other words, if nato requires you to spend x dollars on y activites as part of being a member - then that money is still 'nato' money that they have spent - even tho you were the one who wrote the cheque.

The expenditures exist becasue nato required it. Whether you give the money directly to nato or to someone else on nato's request isn't relevant.

And nato derives a benefit. Nato is strong/better/more scary or whatever because you spent the money they told you to.

So you can't just point to the cash that nato gets directly and say 'that is the cost of nato'. It's much higher than that.  Many would say it's worth the money but it's simply not true to claim that there is no money.

[Hodad]

On 1/6/2024 at 8:41 AM, Nationalist said:

So let's close the loop.

"The money they send to NATO directly accounts for less than 1% of overall defense spending by members of the alliance."

"The North Atlantic alliance has its own military budget worth €1.29 billion ($1.4 billion), which is used to fund some operations and the NATO strategic command center, as well as training and research. But it is miniscule compared to overall spending on defense by NATO countries, which NATO estimates will total more than $921 billion in 2017.

The alliance also has a civilian budget of €234.4 million ($252 million), used mainly to fund the NATO headquarters in Belgium, and its administration." https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/news/nato-funding-explained/index.html

And that money comes from where? That's right...public tax funds.

The end.

"Taxpayer funds" is still completely irrelevant to your moronic conspiracy theory. 

The member countries of NATO are not opposing Putin so that they can pay themselves--they are spending that money on defense anyway. Nor are they opposing Putin so that they can chip in to keep the lights on at NATO headquarters. You're theory is unbelievably stupid, predicted on a fundamental ignorance of what NATO is or how it operates.

"The end."

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

"Taxpayer funds" is still completely irrelevant to your moronic conspiracy theory. 

The member countries of NATO are not opposing Putin so that they can pay themselves--they are spending that money on defense anyway. Nor are they opposing Putin so that they can chip in to keep the lights on at NATO headquarters. You're theory is unbelievably stupid, predicted on a fundamental ignorance of what NATO is or how it operates.

"The end."

We're told NATO is involved in Ukraine to protect democracy. Yet since comic-boy took over, democracy does not exist in Ukraine. So why are they dumping billions into comic-boy's hands? Well...companies like Blackrock are now busily buying up Ukrainian infrastructure. Oh my...it appears like NATO is empire building.

So we're then told that Russia must be stopped because they'll attack western Europe next. Yet there is a grand total of zero evidence that Russia has plans to go to war with all of Europe. 

"BUT...BUT...BUT HITLER!"

Hitler's dead. The only NAZIs left in Europe...are the Ukrainian Azovs. So that excuse is just pure bullshit.

No...the only rational reason for this folly, is to create a conflict that:

A. Justifies continued NATO existence. 

B. Provides a new source of control and funding for western nations. NATO and the EU.

"BUT...BUT...HITLER!"

such nonsense...time to grow up. NATO is not a defensive organization as its mandate clearly states. It's an aggressor every bit as much as Russia is in Ukraine. 

Maybe even more so.

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

We're told NATO is involved in Ukraine to protect democracy. Yet since comic-boy took over, democracy does not exist in Ukraine. So why are they dumping billions into comic-boy's hands? Well...companies like Blackrock are now busily buying up Ukrainian infrastructure. Oh my...it appears like NATO is empire building.

So we're then told that Russia must be stopped because they'll attack western Europe next. Yet there is a grand total of zero evidence that Russia has plans to go to war with all of Europe. 

"BUT...BUT...BUT HITLER!"

Hitler's dead. The only NAZIs left in Europe...are the Ukrainian Azovs. So that excuse is just pure bullshit.

No...the only rational reason for this folly, is to create a conflict that:

A. Justifies continued NATO existence. 

B. Provides a new source of control and funding for western nations. NATO and the EU.

"BUT...BUT...HITLER!"

such nonsense...time to grow up. NATO is not a defensive organization as its mandate clearly states. It's an aggressor every bit as much as Russia is in Ukraine. 

Maybe even more so.

Blah, blah, blah.

NATO, as an organization isn't doing anything. The member states are the actors. And Blackrock isn't a nation, let alone a NATO member.

No member nation has any need to keep NATO relevant. The member nations do not derive any financial gain from the fact that NATO exists. They receive a security benefit. 

Again, what you are proposing is that Sally in apartment 7B is down in the basement bashing the boiler with a hammer in order to justify the existence of the co-op, which will route the collected money for repairs. I guess because she loves paying money to the co-op for repairs? lol  -- it's kookoo

Edited January 11 by Hodad

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

We're told NATO is involved in Ukraine to protect democracy.

WHO told you NATO is involved in Ukraine? ONLY NATO member nations are involved individually.

What is NATO's ROLE in Ukraine?

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

Yet since comic-boy took over, democracy does not exist in Ukraine. So why are they dumping billions into comic-boy's hands? Well...companies like Blackrock are now busily buying up Ukrainian infrastructure. Oh my...it appears like NATO is empire building.

So we're then told that Russia must be stopped because they'll attack western Europe next. Yet there is a grand total of zero evidence that Russia has plans to go to war with all of Europe. 

"BUT...BUT...BUT HITLER!"

Hitler's dead. The only NAZIs left in Europe...are the Ukrainian Azovs. So that excuse is just pure bullshit.

No...the only rational reason for this folly, is to create a conflict that:

A. Justifies continued NATO existence. 

B. Provides a new source of control and funding for western nations. NATO and the EU.

"BUT...BUT...HITLER!"

such nonsense...time to grow up. NATO is not a defensive organization as its mandate clearly states. It's an aggressor every bit as much as Russia is in Ukraine. 

Maybe even more so.

^More DRIVEL.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Blah, blah, blah.

NATO, as an organization isn't doing anything. The member states are the actors. And Blackrock isn't a nation, let alone a NATO member.

No member nation has any need to keep NATO relevant. The member nations do not derive any financial gain from the fact that NATO exists. They receive a security benefit. 

Again, what you are proposing is that Sally in apartment 7B is down in the basement bashing the boiler with a hammer in order to justify the existence of the co-op, which will route the collected money for repairs. I guess because she loves paying money to the co-op for repairs? lol  -- it's kookoo

And it cost them...how much again?

And for what? A corrupt chunk of wasteland.

Good call.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

WHO told you NATO is involved in Ukraine? ONLY NATO member nations are involved individually.

What is NATO's ROLE in Ukraine?

^More DRIVEL.

Billions of dollars in funds and arms. That's what tells me the old hag is involved. Your welcome tweenkie-poo.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And it cost them...how much again?

And for what? A corrupt chunk of wasteland.

Good call.

Eh, it cost member and non-member nations whatever aid they elected to give.

Unlike you, these Nations collectively believe in liberty, democracy, self determination and are willing to lend aid to free people fighting to remain free. To people of conscience, it's more than a "wasteland."

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Eh, it cost member and non-member nations whatever aid they elected to give.

Unlike you, these Nations collectively believe in liberty, democracy, self determination and are willing to lend aid to free people fighting to remain free. To people of conscience, it's more than a "wasteland."

Liberty? In Ukraine? Ok you're dismissed.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Liberty? In Ukraine? Ok you're dismissed.

Ukrainians are free to vote for whomever they choose, sort of...

• Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky has banned eleven opposition parties – including the pro-Russian ‘Opposition – Platform For Life’ which holds 44 seats in the 450-member Ukrainian parliament and has spoken out against the Russian invasion

They can also watch whatever media they like, sort of...

• Zelensky coupled the decree suspending the activities of the parties, decided on by Ukraine’s national defence and security council, with a ban on private TV stations – merging them all into a single state-run TV channel. 

No wonder the Dems and Liberals love the guy so much. He's their kinda guy. 

Well, at least Ukrainians are free to fight against Russians if they want to, they're free to die, free to watch their friends and family die, and free to watch their country get pummelled to dust. FREEEDOMMMM!!!!!!! 

Edited January 12 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Liberty? In Ukraine? Ok you're dismissed.

Yes, despite whatever fever swamp YouTube crap you mainline, Ukraine is our democratic ally in the region and a relatively free country, even under stricter wartime conditions. 

Edited January 12 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, despite whatever fever swamp YouTube crap you mainline, Ukraine is our democratic ally in the region and a relatively free country, even under stricter wartime conditions. 

You should become a prostitute. You suck down the biggest lines of BS and never choke.

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ukrainians are free to vote for whomever they choose, sort of...

• Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky has banned eleven opposition parties – including the pro-Russian ‘Opposition – Platform For Life’ which holds 44 seats in the 450-member Ukrainian parliament and has spoken out against the Russian invasion

They can also watch whatever media they like, sort of...

• Zelensky coupled the decree suspending the activities of the parties, decided on by Ukraine’s national defence and security council, with a ban on private TV stations – merging them all into a single state-run TV channel. 

No wonder the Dems and Liberals love the guy so much. He's their kinda guy. 

Well, at least Ukrainians are free to fight against Russians if they want to, they're free to die, free to watch their friends and family die, and free to watch their country get pummelled to dust. FREEEDOMMMM!!!!!!! 

Exactly. The only freedom Zelinsky has left them, is the freedom to die.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You should become a prostitute. You suck down the biggest lines of BS and never choke.

Exactly. The only freedom Zelinsky has left them, is the freedom to die.

You're willfully naive. Ukraine is fighting for it's very existence against Russia, and you complain that they are muzzling pro-Russian political and propaganda elements? Boo hoo. It's a war. Compromises are made when people are trying to survive.

If Zelensky were an actual villain those people would be rounded up and killed or interned. The US, back in the era you MAGA fools romanticize, locked up Japanese citizens just for being of Japanese ancestors--they weren't even actively supporting Japan. 

Now that was bad, yet here we are still a free country. Seems like Zelensky is doing pretty well in context. Again, look at the facts. Ukraine is still, remarkably, a relatively free country even in the midst of an existential war. 

Grow up and save your pearl clutching for the your fellow Puties in the next issue of your Putin fanzine. 

Edited January 12 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, despite whatever fever swamp YouTube crap you mainline, Ukraine is our democratic ally in the region and a relatively free country, even under stricter wartime conditions. 

They got rid of 11 opposition parties and took over all of the media sources in the country. 

That's DNC/LPOC democracy, not real democracy. 

[Nationalist]

36 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're willfully naive. Ukraine is fighting for it's very existence against Russia, and you complain that they are muzzling pro-Russian political and propaganda elements? Boo hoo. It's a war. Compromises are made when people are trying to survive.

If Zelensky were an actual villain those people would be rounded up and killed or interned. The US, back in the era you MAGA fools romanticize, locked up Japanese citizens just for being of Japanese ancestors--they weren't even actively supporting Japan. 

Now that was bad, yet here we are still a free country. Seems like Zelensky is doing pretty well in context. Again, look at the facts. Ukraine is still, remarkably, a relatively free country even in the midst of an existential war. 

Grow up and save your pearl clutching for the your fellow Puties in the next issue of your Putin fanzine. 

LOL...you sure lean heavily on this Putin Fan BS. I guess when you got nothing else, that attempting to shame people who live within reality, is the only debate weapon you have at your disposal. Must suck to be you...

From what I understand, comic-boy will be lucky to get out of Ukraine alive. Oh it won't be Putin killing him...it'll be one of his own people.

Edited January 12 by Nationalist

[Legato]

10 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, despite whatever fever swamp YouTube crap you mainline, Ukraine is our democratic ally in the region and a relatively free country, even under stricter wartime conditions. 

Yes when all your relatives are dead.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

You're willfully naive. Ukraine is fighting for it's very existence against Russia, and you complain that they are muzzling pro-Russian political and propaganda elements? Boo hoo. It's a war. Compromises are made when people are trying to survive.

You're right, it's a war... Of Zelenski's own making.

Here's a thought: if it's a democracy, maybe people (opposition parties, media outlets and the like) should be allowed to talk about important things like.... not being in a war? Is that important?

Should people be allowed to say things like: "We're not winning, and we're sick of all the death and destruction. Can we just start talking about peace now?"

Nope, STFU peons. Hodad likes this war - you guys just keep fighting! "ONWARD FOR HODAD! FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN!"

 

Is there such a thing as a part-time democracy/totalitarian shithole, Hodad? Wait a sec, let me look outside my window... I think I'm  in one... Yep. Canada. But even Trudeau wasn't as bad as all that. Not yet.

Q: if the Conservatives get a slight majority in the next election and start talking about war with China, is it OK for them to ban the Libs, NDP, Greens, Bloc, PPC and then consolidate all of Canada's media outlets into one gov't-controlled propaganda machine? "Cuz it's a war", right?

You've been known to say a lot of stupid things. Let me rephrase that... For a person who exclusively says stupid things, you've really managed to outdo yourself this time. 

Edited January 12 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You're right, it's a war... Of Zelenski's own making.

 

You lost every thinking person with the first fantastically stupid remark right out of the gate.

Sure, there wouldn't be a war if Ukraine had simply let Russia invade without resistance. 🙄 Brilliant.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

LOL...you sure lean heavily on this Putin Fan BS. I guess when you got nothing else, that attempting to shame people who live within reality, is the only debate weapon you have at your disposal. Must suck to be you...

From what I understand, comic-boy will be lucky to get out of Ukraine alive. Oh it won't be Putin killing him...it'll be one of his own people.

If you don't want people to see your Putin love, stop cheering on the aggressor and blaming the victim. Easy peasy. Just because Trump is Putin's biggest fan doesn't mean that you need to be. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You lost every thinking person with the first fantastically stupid remark right out of the gate.

I.e.: You don't want to acknowledge all the truths in that post so you make one BS attack on the opening sentence and run.

Sorry kid, but just because you don't understand why that war started doesn't mean that no one else does. 

Ukraine's dedication to joining NATO, coupled with Biden's efforts to get them in, is what started that war. America would cancel our gov't in a heartbeat if we tried to pull a similar stunt. The word Canada would only be used in historical references after that day.

Sure, you could say: "America are the ones who sent tanks across the border, so they started it!", but tanks don't 'start' wars, they're just weapons that are used once someone starts war - or makes it necessary. In this case, Zelensky/Biden made war necessary.

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 Sure, there wouldn't be a war if Ukraine had simply let Russia invade without resistance. 

That would be one way to avoid war, but being decent neighbours would have sufficed.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you don't want people to see your Putin love, stop cheering on the aggressor and blaming the victim. Easy peasy. Just because Trump is Putin's biggest fan doesn't mean that you need to be. 

Why did Kennedy 'quarantine' Cuba? No reason? Was there really no reason at all, Hodad? 

Wasn't it a bit aggressive of the US to impose a "quarantine" of Cuba when they weren't attacking the US? Did Kennedy "start" that altercation? He's the one who sent ships there in a military fashion, right?

I guess that you could argue that Kennedy started it a year earlier, with the Bay of Pigs invasion, but you're not gonna do that either, are you... 

Can you tell me what right/reason Kennedy had for picking on poor little Cuba? How did Cuba "start it", Hodad?

Should we rewrite the history books? Was Kennedy just a warmonger like Putin?

Edited January 12 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I.e.: You don't want to acknowledge all the truths in that post so you make one BS attack on the opening sentence and run.

Sorry kid, but just because you don't understand why that war started doesn't mean that no one else does. 

Ukraine's dedication to joining NATO, coupled with Biden's efforts to get them in, is what started that war. America would cancel our gov't in a heartbeat if we tried to pull a similar stunt. The word Canada would only be used in historical references after that day.

Sure, you could say: "America are the ones who sent tanks across the border, so they started it!", but tanks don't 'start' wars, they're just weapons that are used once someone starts war - or makes it necessary. In this case, Zelensky/Biden made war necessary.

That would be one way to avoid war, but being decent neighbours would have sufficed.

You've never told a truth in your life. NATO is a defensive alliance. Your victim-blaming bullshit is boring--and would embarrass any decent person. There is exactly ONE way that Ukraine joining a defensive alliance affects Russia: it makes it harder for Russia to invade.

Your whole stupid rationale is that Ukraine didn't want an openly aggressive Russia to invade them, so they sought a defensive alliance, so Russia just HAD to invade them. 

If someone puts locks on their doors it forces a burglary to happen. If someone puts on an athletic cup, they just force someone to kick them in the crotch. 

 

Edited January 12 by Hodad