There was no insurrection, you more onz.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

No one has the the "freedom" to block traffic 

If you're talking about the link I put of the business owner, she didn't commit a single crime.

She didn't protest, and her donation at the time was perfectly legal.

I was driving to Montreal as the convoy was making its way down the opposite way, and not a single overpass wasn't filled to capacity with people waving Canadian flags.

They raised millions quickly.

Canadians were fed up of lockdowns that were destroying their livelihoods and mental health.

Only reason I didn't donate, is because just like the BLM movement, I couldn't fully get behind their entire message.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You're wrong AGAIN. I am nowhere close to the middle like you are the center of MAGA CULT. Just doing my part.

Your part is to spread lies. 

My part is to help you woketards understand your part in the destruction of America. 

The key to 2024 is to take back the WH and then later, Congress. We need a hard reset toward normalcy, and we need it now. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

If you're talking about the link I put of the business owner, she didn't commit a single crime.

She didn't protest, and her donation at the time was perfectly legal.

I was driving to Montreal as the convoy was making its way down the opposite way, and not a single overpass wasn't filled to capacity with people waving Canadian flags.

They raised millions quickly.

Canadians were fed up of lockdowns that were destroying their livelihoods and mental health.

Only reason I didn't donate, is because just like the BLM movement, I couldn't fully get behind their entire message.

I'm talking about the claim you posted of Watters coverage who said she "supported freedom," and that's all.

In FACT the "freedom" she supported ENDS where it impinges on OTHERS' FREEDOMS.

You ever heard that "your freedom to swing your fist ENDS at my nose"? 

No, there was no crime, but she supported deprivation of freedom to use that bridge for MANY MORE than the truckers who were BLOCKING IT. IOW, she deserved the doxxing.

Edited January 6, 2024 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

This is where we fundamentally disagree. Its not the same.

You threaten lawmakers, and you don't just threaten the lives of civilians. A pilot shouldn't have the same protections as a civilian on the ground, while in the air.

I"m sorry but it is the same - the gaza protesters i mentioned threatened the lives of lawmakers.  MANY of the BLM and antifa protesters have uttered threats towards political leaders.

Again - you claim there's a difference but there just doesn't seem to be one you can demonstrate.

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What if Pierre Poilievre ignited it all, by dismissing Trudeau's election win and calling the results illegal. Same difference?

If PP did the same thing that Trump, and Rashida omar presley and cortez do I would call it the same thing.  You seem to think there's a difference if one politician uses extreme rhetoric or if another one does.  Bernie Sanders claim that republicans were trying to kill people over obamacare was specifically quoted by the shooter who shot republican house reps to death at a ball park . So he literally KILLED lawmakers and stated it was because of what bernie said - did we call it insurrection? Did we arrest bernie?

you apply different standards to different people and seem to do it based on what party they belong to and that's not ok.

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And also indicative of guilt, for trying to change the election results by force.

Sorry - but was trump among the rioters and i didn't hear about it?  Do you have any actual evidence of trump instructing anyone to do that?

No?

Amazing.

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Call then protesters or rioters. Irrelevant. What they were trying to do is overturn election results. Its not the same.

Not according to them. According to them trump won.

And nobody with even one single brain cell could possibly argue that anything they would have done that day could have actually overtunred the election. At BEST it was a severe protest.

 

Sorry - you've got two very different sets of standards depending on which side you're talking about.  I have one - i think they were both wrong, and i don't pretend it was any more or less aweful than it was. 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Cite?

That's irrelevant. They chanted to hang Pence, and had makeshift nooses and ropes in the crowd. You're essentially saying if I say "I have a BOMB!" on an aircraft, that me having nothing on me, totally absolves me of a crime. The threat of me being able to explode an aircraft, having it land via emergency is just fine.

Uh, no. They marched there (that's intent). Threaten to hang him (the threat couldn't be any more blatant). Trump demanded he do the right thing. The crowd was looking for him, because he didn't. Nobody will ever know what they would have done to him--the threat was very real, nonetheless.

His exact words:

"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.

And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.

So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

I want to kick Mike Pence in the teeth after hearing that. I don't think anyone will care if he said to do it peacefully afterwards.

You want to kick Pence in the teeth?

So in this quote, where does it say take over the capital?

[robosmith]

Just now, Nationalist said:

You want to kick Pence in the teeth?

So in this quote, where does it say take over the capital?

What is it about "fight like hell" and "stop the steal" that you don't understand?

You believe they'd stop the steal by standing outside singing "kumbaya"? LMAO

Anyone who's been paying attention (AKA, not you) knows what the PLAN WAS.

Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were seen ON VIDEO conspiring about it before the "rally." Duh

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Of course the police were using weapons to defend the people working in the Capitol. That's their job. Duh.

The rioters were attacking the cops with whatever weapons they brought or could get their hands on.

Flag poles (spears)  and fire extinguishers were being used to beat cops. One cop was beaten with his own shield.

What "evidence"? Post it here.

Because they were chased into secure locations, instead of doing their jobs, which is what Trump wanted to get a "contingent election." Have you figured out what that is yet?

You mean most invaders? Probably. Doesn't excuse those who were clearly VIOLENT and crapping on the floor.

He told them to "stop the steal" during the EC vote certification. You need that spelled out for you, AGAIN?

The MOB knew what he meant even though YOU DON'T. If you direct someone toward a specific goal which requires violence and they do it, that is ILLEGAL.

You either have a vivid imagination or are TROLLING.

I see. The "mob" knew what he meant and that was...what? Hang Pence? Or go protest?

That "mob" had every bit as much right to be there and protest as any other protest. 

You're selling a massive lie.

Edited January 6, 2024 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I see. The "mob" knew what he meant and that was...what? Hang Pence? Or go protest?

That "mob" had every bit as much right to be there and protest as any other protest. 

NOT inside the Capitol since it was CLOSED. Duh

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You're selling a massive lie.

Trump is a conman and you've been CONNED. Everyone not in the MAGA CULT knows what happened, including those at the Capitol insurrection.

Have you figured out what a "contingent election" is yet? Trump's lawyers knew, and ILLEGALLY PLANNED that to swing the election to Trump.

GD you Canadians are THICK as a BRICK.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What is it about "fight like hell" and "stop the steal" that you don't understand?

You believe they'd stop the steal by standing outside singing "kumbaya"? LMAO

Anyone who's been paying attention (AKA, not you) knows what the PLAN WAS.

Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were seen ON VIDEO conspiring about it before the "rally." Duh

https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/old-tweets-show-raskin-biden-saying-fight-like-hell/

No. I believe they made their point clear. No matter what you say...we know you stole that election. And that will never change.

The plan? Well...the plan was to have the national guard on site but...Pelosi wouldn't call them in.

Odd that...

[Rebound]

Just now, Nationalist said:

https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/old-tweets-show-raskin-biden-saying-fight-like-hell/

No. I believe they made their point clear. No matter what you say...we know you stole that election. And that will never change.

The plan? Well...the plan was to have the national guard on site but...Pelosi wouldn't call them in.

Odd that...

Traitor Trump directly told the Proud Boys to “Stand Back and Stand By”. 

“Proud Boys organizer Joe Biggs also posted after the debate that he was "standing by," and he said the president "basically said to go f--- them up." “

So here we have it: Donald Trump DIRECTLY told a known violent white supremacist group to engage in violence. And the Proud Boys confirmed that, and Trump did not walk that back. 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NOT inside the Capitol since it was CLOSED. Duh

Trump is a conman and you've been CONNED. Everyone not in the MAGA CULT knows what happened, including those at the Capitol insurrection.

Have you figured out what a "contingent election" is yet? Trump's lawyers knew, and ILLEGALLY PLANNED that to swing the election to Trump.

GD you Canadians are THICK as a BRICK.

Psst...Toadiepoo...I watched what happened. We've all seen it. 

We Canadians see right throught most of your bloviated horseshit. And you Libbie dunces know it.

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

basically said to go f--- them up

Cite?

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Psst...Toadiepoo...I watched what happened. We've all seen it. 

We Canadians see right throught most of your bloviated horseshit. And you Libbie dunces know it.

Cite?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1241512

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

Question:

If this entire crowd was Iranians who were trying to stop election certification to install a different person for President, would that be equally ok with you? 

I never said that I was ok with it.

I just said that it was a riot, not an insurrection.

It didn't "almost overthrow the US gov't" either, as political activists like Tanya Chutkan like to say. 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

she deserved the doxxing.

You're no different than Trudeau. You would rather shame those who don't share your ideology. 

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again - you claim there's a difference

Breaching lawmaker offices threatening the lives of people via hunting them down is different. 

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You seem to think there's a difference if one politician uses extreme rhetoric

No, one tries to stop a democratic protest using rioters as human shields to do their dirty work. Its not the same as extreme rhetoric, unless the end result is the same.

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Did we arrest bernie?

Did he insist they find lawmakers, or urge them to march down to find some? If no, it is not the same. You're grasping at straws.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry - but was trump among the rioters and i didn't hear about it?

He fueled the fire and fanned the flames. He didn't need to be there.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Do you have any actual evidence of trump instructing anyone to do that?

Encouraging the mob to walk down and fight like hell, sounds like encouragement.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

According to them trump won.

There was zero evidence of it. Still isn't evidence of widespread fraud.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

could have actually overtunred the election

You're missing the point. Trump made the attempt. It is irrelevant that it failed. Those who rioted made the documented attempts. Failure doesn't absolve anything.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

i think they were both wrong

Oh, they are all wrong. 

What am saying is what Trump did, is different. 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Traitor Trump directly told the Proud Boys to “Stand Back and Stand By”. 

“Proud Boys organizer Joe Biggs also posted after the debate that he was "standing by," and he said the president "basically said to go f--- them up." “

So here we have it: Donald Trump DIRECTLY told a known violent white supremacist group to engage in violence. And the Proud Boys confirmed that, and Trump did not walk that back. 

The Dems and CNN rely on people like you being easily duped, and you never disappoint.

FYI Trump was doing something patriotic by asking Biden to denounce all of the rioting, which Biden refused to do because BLM rioting was one of the Dems' main political strategies, and the debate moderator never asked asked him to do it either. Then the moderator challenged trump to deliver that message to white extremists, and Trump asked him exactly what words the moderator wanted him to say and to whom, and when the moderator told Trump what to say, he said it. 

You're confusing "Trump having no qualms about delivering a stern message to people who were accused of being extremists" with "Trump proving that he was somehow involved in that group just by relaying the moderator's message to them".

I know that's probably too much for you to understand, as usual, but whatever. The main point is that you've been corrected now and others will understand that. 

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems and CNN rely on people like you being easily duped, and you never disappoint.

FYI Trump was doing something patriotic by asking Biden to denounce all of the rioting, which Biden refused to do because BLM rioting was one of the Dems' main political strategies, and the debate moderator never asked asked him to do it either. Then the moderator challenged trump to deliver that message to white extremists, and Trump asked him exactly what words the moderator wanted him to say and to whom, and when the moderator told Trump what to say, he said it. 

You're confusing "Trump having no qualms about delivering a stern message to people who were accused of being extremists" with "Trump proving that he was somehow involved in that group just by relaying the moderator's message to them".

I know that's probably too much for you to understand, as usual, but whatever. The main point is that you've been corrected now and others will understand that. 

The Proud Boys leaders repeatedly bragged that they were delighted that Trump told them in September to “stand back and stand by,” with later-convicted leader Tarrio stating, “Standing By, Sir!”  
 

And did Trump or his staff in any way back down from that? No, not one iota.  Roger Stone, who was a close confidante of Trump, showed up on January 6 literally surrounded by Proud Boys.  Their leader, Enrique Tarrio, has since been sentenced to 22 years in prison for Seditious Conspiracy.  
 

 

Edited January 7, 2024 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The Proud Boys leaders repeatedly bragged that they were delighted that Trump told them in September to “stand back and stand by,” with later-convicted leader Tarrio stating, “Standing By, Sir!”  
 

And did Trump or his staff in any way back down from that? No, not one iota.  Roger Stone, who was a close confidante of Trump, showed up on January 6 literally surrounded by Proud Boys.  Their leader, Enrique Tarrio, has since been sentenced to 22 years in prison for Seditious Conspiracy.  

And because the proud boys bragged, does that mean that Trump is a part of their group? Trump did the right thing, period. And then he stopped talking directly to the proud boys because leftards just take that as being a part of them.

The main takeaways from this story are:

1. Trump was willing to say what needed to be said to stop the Proud Boys from doing whatever it was that they were doing. Did they burn down thousands of businesses, destroy communities, assault thousands of cops, kill a bunch of cops, assault and kill a bunch of civilians? No, they didn't.
2. Biden remained supportive of BLM despite the fact that they were destroying communities, assaulting cops and killing cops and burning down buildings, etc, etc, etc.

Had Biden told BLM to stop that wouldn't be an acknowledgement that he was their leader, it would be an acknowledgement that Biden was the leader of the second largest political party in the USA, and that they were not at all OK with BLM's disinformation, racism, division and destruction. 

Why didn't the Dems call for BLM's destruction and violence to cease? Why did they instead gleefully cheer for it to continue 6 more months? 

Isn't that a much bigger story than "Trump, as President of the United States of America, told the Proud Boys stop doing what they were doing"?

Honestly, how old are you? Are you 21-ish, and never had a real job yet? Even if you're 8, you're old enough to read and write, so you need to expect more from yourself. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

You want to kick Pence in the teeth?

So in this quote, where does it say take over the capital?

So you don't have a cite for the things you claimed. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1241512

You do realize how flimsy this theory is...don't you?

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/old-tweets-show-raskin-biden-saying-fight-like-hell/

Do you not understand the DIFFERENT CONTEXT between ^this and Trump's armed mob wearing body armor going to "stop the steal" during the EC vote certification? LMAO

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. I believe they made their point clear. No matter what you say...we know you stole that election. And that will never change.

Yes, we know your cognitive dissonance will not allow you to consider FACTS.

Thanks for admitting that.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The plan? Well...the plan was to have the national guard on site but...Pelosi wouldn't call them in.

Odd that...

Trump controlled the National Guard, NOT Pelosi. Are you really that dumb that you'll repeat anything you hear on FOS LIES? 🤮

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Psst...Toadiepoo...I watched what happened. We've all seen it. 

We Canadians see right throught most of your bloviated horseshit. And you Libbie dunces know it.

You claim ^this but you see NOTHING that's not on FOS LIES. LMAO

Edited January 7, 2024 by robosmith

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're no different than Trudeau. You would rather shame those who don't share your ideology. 

No, I didn't "shame" the woman, I said she deserved what she got for helping law breakers deprive OTHERS of their freedoms. Go back and read it again, since you didn't understand what I wrote.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems and CNN rely on people like you being easily duped, and you never disappoint.

In reality, you're the one who's been duped by Trump and FOS LIES.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I never said that I was ok with it.

I just said that it was a riot, not an insurrection.

It didn't "almost overthrow the US gov't" either, as political activists like Tanya Chutkan like to say. 

Did the U.S. Civil War “almost overthrow the U.S. government?”

And can you provide a citation of Judge Chutkin stating that?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

So you don't have a cite for the things you claimed. 

 

Wrey nor the other guy will answer straight forward questions.  After watching the FBI concoct accusations and lie repeatedly, I think it's safe to conclude the fbi had operatives...like Ray Epps...in the crowd.

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you not understand the DIFFERENT CONTEXT between ^this and Trump's armed mob wearing body armor going to "stop the steal" during the EC vote certification? LMAO

Yes, we know your cognitive dissonance will not allow you to consider FACTS.

Thanks for admitting that.

Trump controlled the National Guard, NOT Pelosi. Are you really that dumb that you'll repeat anything you hear on FOS LIES? 🤮

You claim ^this but you see NOTHING that's not on FOS LIES. LMAO

Lol...your lies are pathetic. So are your accusations.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you not understand the DIFFERENT CONTEXT between ^this and Trump's

Sure we do. The different context is that you hate trump and you like biden. 

So if they say the same thing to people - one is bad and the other is good.

Your brain can't process it any other way.  Trump bad biden good ergo....