There was no insurrection, you more onz.

[robosmith]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you have some proof that Trump is their leader? If he is, does that make Obama the leader of BLM? Is he responsible for all of their murders, assaults and destruction?

Jan 6th is PROOF PB were followers of Trump's commands. That makes him their leader, cause it was Trump who told them to walk to the Capitol and "stop the steal." AKA the EC vote certification. Duh

Maybe you didn't understand what Trump wanted, but PB certainly did and Trump showed his approval by FAILING to call out the National Guard, calling them "special" and saying he "loved" them.

[WestCanMan]

53 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Enrique Tarrio was convicted of seditious conspiracy and sentenced to 22 years in prison. You can go read the court papers if you want. 

1. It's possible that he was actually guilty of that. The silver lining is that at least leftists finally learned what sedition actually means. 
2. That's still not proof of the original accusation of white supremacist terrorist.

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Trump is obviously a Putin stooge. That’s why Trump is happy to hand Ukraine over to Putin. 

Blah, blah, blah. You really need to grow up. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Is either one any better than the other? 

I have been on a few extreme left forums and wanted to gouge my eyes out.

Extreme right, was far looser regarding speech, but then I dealt with a lot of racist views and I realized I was well out of my element either or.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Blah, blah, blah. You really need to grow up. 

You need to stop ignoring reality and FACE IT like a big boy.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1. It's possible that he was actually guilty of that. The silver lining is that at least leftists finally learned what sedition actually means. 
2. That's still not proof of the original accusation of white supremacist terrorist.

Blah, blah, blah. You really need to grow up. 

It’s not “possible” that he was guilty. He WAS guilty. Convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers. End of story. GUILTY.  
 

The silver lining is that Tarrio gets buttfcked for the next 22 years.  He’ll love it! 

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It’s not “possible” that he was guilty. He WAS guilty. Convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers. End of story. GUILTY.  

He wouldn't be the first innocent person found guilty of something. 

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The silver lining is that Tarrio gets buttfcked for the next 22 years.  He’ll love it! 

Methinks thou dost project too much.

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He wouldn't be the first innocent person found guilty of something. 

Methinks thou dost project too much.

Question is, why are YOU convinced he's innocent.

Esp when there was video of him and Oath Keeper's Rhodes conspiring on Jan 6th.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, robosmith said:

Question is, why are YOU convinced he's innocent.

I'm not convinced that he's innocent, but I know for a fact that he was accused, investigated, and indicted by liars and criminals. 

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not convinced that he's innocent, but I know for a fact that he was accused, investigated, and indicted by liars and criminals. 

Where's your evidence of "accused, investigated, and indicted by liars and criminals."

Since he was CONVICTED, clearly there was plenty of EVIDENCE to justify all those things which you CLAIM you "know for a fact" are faulty. 

One inescapable FACT is, you weren't on the JURY and didn't see the EVIDENCE they saw which CONVICTED HIM.

[Guest]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Various businesses considered non-essential were closed

We were full on lockdown initially. Not allowed out of your house for non essential means such as groceries or walking your dog.

I literally did groceries 6 times a day, which literally kept me sane.

My neighbor was a clean cut bureaucrat. A month of lockdown, rendered him to a fully bearded hobo smoking pot and drinking on his front lawn, daily.

If you weren't essential, you were shut down.

Moving out of your city? Expect police check points. Some even within cities to limit movement.

Got to the point I would have to bring proof of payments and the address where I was going, as had some cops question (when visiting clients).

Legit, saw some homeless people get fined or warned for not abiding to the lockdowns, which was the epitome of government incompetence and overreach.

Can you blame Canadians for latching into the first group of people who gave us a ray of hope? 

The fact that they rapidly raised millions should be telling that many Canadians were fed up.

Trudeau knew it, hence him wanting to rapidly put an end to the threat.

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

Sounds like Canada was much more strict and had little to show for it.

Lower death rate, but places that had more lax policies weren't far off from us.

It just didn't add up past a certain point of vaccination. 

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

When someone supports a small group's illegal "freedoms" at the cost of a very LARGE numbers' legal freedoms, that is bass ackwards and she got what she deserved.

Where we do agree, is what she did was wrong. 

Where we disagree, is on the severity of the consequences. 

Even her staff was threatened. Her kids. 

She made the mistake. 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Can you blame Canadians for latching into the first group of people who gave us a ray of hope? 

The fact that they rapidly raised millions should be telling that many Canadians were fed up.

Yes, I can blame Canadians for supporting ILLEGAL deprivation of freedoms on the road.

Mass traffic jams are maddening. 

You know Chris Christie? He was tossed as governor of NJ for doing that political stunt. Really stupid if he thought it would help him get reelected.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Mass traffic jams are maddening. 

What if the protest was lawful? 

I hope you appreciate the convoy initially was perfectly legal. Permits and all.

If she donated while it was lawful, what did she do wrong?

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

What if the protest was lawful? 

I hope you appreciate the convoy initially was perfectly legal. Permits and all.

If she donated while it was lawful, what did she do wrong?

I doubt they had permits to park on the bridge.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

We were full on lockdown initially. Not allowed out of your house for non essential means such as groceries or walking your dog.

I literally did groceries 6 times a day, which literally kept me sane.

My neighbor was a clean cut bureaucrat. A month of lockdown, rendered him to a fully bearded hobo smoking pot and drinking on his front lawn, daily.

If you weren't essential, you were shut down.

Moving out of your city? Expect police check points. Some even within cities to limit movement.

Got to the point I would have to bring proof of payments and the address where I was going, as had some cops question (when visiting clients).

The worst part of it all is that in the middle of March, people could fly in directly from Wuhan and they didn't have to quarantine at all. 

They could work in the Wuhan lab 'til 4:30, grab some bats from the wetmarket outta their fridge, cook 'em up and eat them by 5:30, get on a 9:30 PM flight, and 12 hrs later they'd be at the Vancouver int'l airport, where they got to choose whether or not they wanted to quarantine even if they had a fever and a cough. 

They could literally be in the Wuhan lab, eat wetmarket bats, cough their way through YVR, and then be in the Metrotown Mall (Burnaby) food court within a 24 hr period.  

Talk about the exact opposite of "Avoid it like the plague", or "Nip it in the bud" or "A stitch in time saves 9", or "Don't let people fresh outta ground zero of a pandemic babysit your newborn." 

One week after those guys flew in from Wuhan and walked around coughing on us all, asymptomatic Canadians weren't even allowed to walk outside in public parks in the lower mainland of BC.

The covid logic pendulum went directly from "100% freedom to introduce the novel virus to as many Canadians as possible" stupid to "draconian lockdown that's completely devoid of epidemiological wisdom" stupid without touching any of the increments in between. In the world of physics that's called sublimation, like when ice turns directly into steam, but I had never seen an example of it in human behaviour before. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I had never seen an example of it in human behaviour before

Hopefully I never do again, until I kick the can.

I would be prepared to leave the country, if so.

All adults deal with some level of mental health issues. Like most adults, we stuff it down, or work or do whatever we can to avoid dealing with it for many. 

This was a wakeup call for many.

I think our government knew there was growing rage within the population and were wise to ease metrics.

I was about ready to risk jail in rioting had they locked down another time once I reached my breaking point, as at least my lockdown then would have been literal and justified. 

I can live with that.

Honestly, if it weren't for the wife I probably would have returned to the old me in doing heavy drugs, pills and alcohol. 

I have been clean for decades (I don't even drink), and this almost put me over the edge.

[Rebound]

12 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

We were full on lockdown initially. Not allowed out of your house for non essential means such as groceries or walking your dog.

I literally did groceries 6 times a day, which literally kept me sane.

My neighbor was a clean cut bureaucrat. A month of lockdown, rendered him to a fully bearded hobo smoking pot and drinking on his front lawn, daily.

If you weren't essential, you were shut down.

Moving out of your city? Expect police check points. Some even within cities to limit movement.

Got to the point I would have to bring proof of payments and the address where I was going, as had some cops question (when visiting clients).

Legit, saw some homeless people get fined or warned for not abiding to the lockdowns, which was the epitome of government incompetence and overreach.

Can you blame Canadians for latching into the first group of people who gave us a ray of hope? 

The fact that they rapidly raised millions should be telling that many Canadians were fed up.

Trudeau knew it, hence him wanting to rapidly put an end to the threat.

Lower death rate, but places that had more lax policies weren't far off from us.

It just didn't add up past a certain point of vaccination. 

Where we do agree, is what she did was wrong. 

Where we disagree, is on the severity of the consequences. 

Even her staff was threatened. Her kids. 

She made the mistake. 

A conservative Republican named George Bush had America’s first pandemic playbook written. That’s where the lockdown policy came from, in the U.S.  

I’m not a virus expert, but it seems the first Covid strain was incredibly lethal, and the vaccine took nearly a year to roll out. There were so many dead in New York City that they were stacking bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could figure out how to bury them all.  There’s no way for someone who knew what they knew at the time to create a perfect policy, but isolation was the best way to limit the spread. 
 

Here in the U.S., under the magnificent leadership of Donald Trump, we enjoyed one of the highest Covid death per million rates in the world.  Canada did a lot better.  
 

Oh, and there was an insurrection in Washington DC on January 6, 2021. 

Edited January 10, 2024 by Rebound

[Rebound]

On 1/8/2024 at 5:19 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'm not convinced that he's innocent, but I know for a fact that he was accused, investigated, and indicted by liars and criminals. 

Of course you aren’t convinced! 
After all; we saw with our own eyes the live video of a violent riot consisting of people who were trying to stop the certification of the Electoral College. But you say we didn’t see it. We did see it. 
Now you say there was no insurrection that day, yet people were convicted of seditious conspiracy. So you say that all of their convictions were false.  
It’s obvious that you do not accept reality.  Whether that is from an in-born neurological defect, a learning disability, too many punches to the head, extensive drug use… I cannot say. 
 

But the facts are clear: It is extremely difficult to convict someone of seditious conspiracy. Not only does the prosecution need to prove that the person engaged in sedition, the prosecution must also prove that the accused did so deliberately in concert with other individuals.  You cannot be convicted of seditious conspiracy if you act alone. 
 

The Proud Boys were highly organized on January 6. They left Trump’s speech very early, in order to surveil the Capitol for weaknesses.   They used radio communication to select the most vulnerable points to attack to gain entry to the U.S. Capitol.  When one point failed, they coordinated to attack a different point. There is extensive evidence of these facts, leading Tarrio to not only be convicted of seditious conspiracy, but to rack up the maximum punishment allowable by law for the act.  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

I’m not a virus expert, but it seems the first Covid strain was incredibly lethal, and the vaccine took nearly a year to roll out.

That would explain the initial lockdowns. No arguments here.

It doesn't however, with well over 80% of your eligible population fully vaccinated, which likely kick started the protests.

To still have police checkpoints, lockdowns and social shaming, is utterly nonsensical.

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

There were so many dead in New York City that they were stacking bodies in refrigerated trucks until they could figure out how to bury them all.  

A high percentage of these people were immigrants. Still forced to work, to keep the country running, yet some of the least protected. 

Many also lived in cramped spaces, with high volumes of people. Took public transit.

There is a reason why New York was hit worst, along with other places with similar demographics.

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

but isolation was the best way to limit the spread. 

With the bulk of a population fully vaccinated?

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Canada did a lot better.  

We are also far less populated. Far more bought into vaccines, as well as masking up.

The convoy occurred because there was a growing country wide anger at many feeling they were doing everything that was asked of them, but the same result. 

Notice how our deaths didn't spike when we reopened our country to the world? 

Thats the power of fear mongering.

[robosmith]

On 1/8/2024 at 5:19 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'm not convinced that he's innocent, but I know for a fact that he was accused, investigated, and indicted by liars and criminals. 

How would you KNOW that the Grand Jury members which indicted him are "liars"?

You don't even know their names.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The worst part of it all is that in the middle of March, people could fly in directly from Wuhan and they didn't have to quarantine at all. 

Same with US citizens during Trump's BAN. 🤮

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

That would explain the initial lockdowns. No arguments here.

It doesn't however, with well over 80% of your eligible population fully vaccinated, which likely kick started the protests.

To still have police checkpoints, lockdowns and social shaming, is utterly nonsensical.

A high percentage of these people were immigrants. Still forced to work, to keep the country running, yet some of the least protected. 

Many also lived in cramped spaces, with high volumes of people. Took public transit.

There is a reason why New York was hit worst, along with other places with similar demographics.

With the bulk of a population fully vaccinated?

We are also far less populated. Far more bought into vaccines, as well as masking up.

The convoy occurred because there was a growing country wide anger at many feeling they were doing everything that was asked of them, but the same result. 

Notice how our deaths didn't spike when we reopened our country to the world? 

Thats the power of fear mongering.

I know there was a Delta variant that came in a second wave and killed a lot of people, and then Omicron became the prevalent strain and it was far more transmissible but much less deadly. The original two variants, Alpha and Delta, were replaced by the far more transmissible, but less deadly  Omicron. Plus, very high proportions of the most susceptible age groups were vaccinated, making Omicron even less deadly. 

New York was hit hard because of very high population density, it’s the crossroads of the world (LOTS of international and domestic travelers coming and going), it got hit very, very early, when the virus was its deadliest and there were absolutely no vaccinations, and insufficient availability of PPE. 

 

That’s what happened. 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

I know there was a Delta variant that came in a second wave and killed a lot of people, and then Omicron became the prevalent strain and it was far more transmissible but much less deadly. The original two variants, Alpha and Delta, were replaced by the far more transmissible, but less deadly  Omicron. Plus, very high proportions of the most susceptible age groups were vaccinated, making Omicron even less deadly. 

New York was hit hard because of very high population density, it’s the crossroads of the world (LOTS of international and domestic travelers coming and going), it got hit very, very early, when the virus was its deadliest and there were absolutely no vaccinations, and insufficient availability of PPE. 

 

That’s what happened. 

New York was the likely destination of many travelers from Europe that panicked and booked flights back to the US when Trump implemented his Europe travel ban with NO PLANNING, testing, tracking nor quarantine.

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

After all; we saw with our own eyes the live video of a violent riot

You were on a roll for a second.

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Of course you aren’t convinced! 

You're right, I'm not.

After all the BS about the Whitmer kidnapping, the Russian collusion farce, and all the lies about Jan 6th, of course I'm not convinced. Those people lost all credibility. If they said the sun was gonna come up tomorrow I'd have my doubts. 

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You were on a roll for a second.

You're right, I'm not.

After all the BS about the Whitmer kidnapping, the Russian collusion farce, and all the lies about Jan 6th, of course I'm not convinced. Those people lost all credibility. If they said the sun was gonna come up tomorrow I'd have my doubts. 

People were convicted in the Whitmer kidnapping case.

People were convicted in the Russia collusion case: Giuliani and Stone both had advance knowledge of the release of materials stolen from Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

And People were convicted up to 22 years in jail for the January 6 insurrection

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

People were convicted in the Whitmer kidnapping case.

People were convicted in the Russia collusion case: Giuliani and Stone both had advance knowledge of the release of materials stolen from Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

And People were convicted up to 22 years in jail for the January 6 insurrection

No, people got off on an entrapment defence in the first Whitmer case, and then evidence from the first trial was blocked in subsequent trials.