Why Trump Won’t Win

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

The Biden economy is already better than the Trump economy in most measurables. Sorry your "feelings" don't agree with reality. 

 

Really? Gee i guess that's why most people trust Trump with the economy.

Your putting lipstick on a pig.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

The Biden economy is already better than the Trump economy in most measurables. Sorry your "feelings" don't agree with reality. 

 

Simply not true.  You have to cherry pick 'em to get it that way. I mean - i suppose if you ignore the persistent and rampant inflation that has reduced real spending power horrifically, the reduction in average wage, the slowdown of growth, the higher jobless numbers,  the vastly increased debt, and all the economists then sure - doing great

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-economy-slowed-recent-weeks-fed-survey-shows-2023-11-29/

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Simply not true.  You have to cherry pick 'em to get it that way. I mean - i suppose if you ignore the persistent and rampant inflation that has reduced real spending power horrifically, the reduction in average wage, the slowdown of growth, the higher jobless numbers,  the vastly increased debt, and all the economists then sure - doing great

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-economy-slowed-recent-weeks-fed-survey-shows-2023-11-29/

You cherry-picked a month old article.  But that article was actually positive. It was explaining that the Federal Reserve’s “soft landing” strategy was working, and your source confirms this in an article one month later:

“Dec 29 (Reuters) - The final month of 2023 featured a rush of data about the health of the U.S. economy and the state of price increases that a number of Federal Reserve officials saw as reassuring signs that their long fight against inflation was on track to end with a "soft landing."

The year began with widespread expectations among economists, and many Fed officials themselves, that a recession would unfold under the weight of aggressive central bank interest rate increases. It came to an end with many confident that outcome could be avoided.”

“Annual inflation by the Fed's preferred Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index fell to 2.6% in November and on a monthly basis prices declined for the first time since April 2020. The "core" index excluding food and energy prices also declined to 3.2%, the lowest that key gauge of trend inflation has been since April 2021.

Fed officials at their final meeting of the year forecast continued improvement in both measures in 2024.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/charting-feds-economic-data-flow-2023-12-29/

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...oh just wait. The economy will be better by November. 

So hilarious. 

The gas prices YOU complained about have already plummeted.

And inflation is down to 3%. Merry Christmas. 

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Really? Gee i guess that's why most people trust Trump with the economy.

Your putting lipstick on a pig.

Nobody SANE trusts Trump with ANYTHING. Unfortunate you've yet to figure out he's a pathological LIAR. 🤮

[Hodad]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Really? Gee i guess that's why most people trust Trump with the economy.

Your putting lipstick on a pig.

Most people are economically illiterate. You are among them. Just like every time this conversation comes up, job creation has been very strong, unemployment is very low, personal purchasing power is up (outpacing inflation), stocks are at record levels, the housing market remains very strong. There's very little to complain about. Inflation (and interest - same issue) aren't great, but as long as our purchasing power is outpacing it we're net positive. Still, you carry on with the ignorant charade, parroting whatever your favorite talking heads have programmed you to complain about.

And all you've got are your feelings. 

 

[Rebound]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...oh just wait. The economy will be better by November. 

So hilarious. 

Here’s your problem: You say the economy is bad. That’s just talking shlt.  There are objective measures of economic performance. Lots and lots of them. Figures that Trump used all the time — Unemployment (we’re all-time low), the DJIA (we’re all-time high), and so forth.  And you’re incapable of pulling one single measure out of your ass which objectively makes your point.  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You cherry-picked a month old article.  

I "Cherry picked" an article that's current and relevant?  Were you dropped as a child? What year did you THINK i should post an article from?

 

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But that article was actually positive. It was explaining that the Federal Reserve’s “soft landing” strategy was working, and your source confirms this in an article one month later:

The question was is the economy worse under biden -  yes it is   The fact that they may be reducing the damage is great but not relevant. As BOTH articles note the situation is worse than it was previously during Trump's time. So the claim it's better is false.

You are literally trying to claim that crashing a car is better than staying on the road because the air bag went off  and you didnt' die   LOL.  Nope.

It would really help if you could try to keep in mind what we're discussing.  As the factors in BOTH articles show,  the economy outside of covid was far better under trump, not worse as you claimed.

 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

The gas prices YOU complained about have already plummeted.

And inflation is down to 3%. Merry Christmas. 

Nobody SANE trusts Trump with ANYTHING. Unfortunate you've yet to figure out he's a pathological LIAR. 🤮

Lol...so pathetic.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Most people are economically illiterate.

I guess you're among the minority then.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here’s your problem: You say the economy is bad. That’s just talking shlt.  There are objective measures of economic performance. Lots and lots of them. Figures that Trump used all the time — Unemployment (we’re all-time low), the DJIA (we’re all-time high), and so forth.  And you’re incapable of pulling one single measure out of your ass which objectively makes your point.  

Right? The health of the economy isn't a guessing game. It's not a paint-your-feelings-by-number art project at the asylum. It's measured extensively and consistently on a huge number of metrics year after year. 

It's a fact that the Biden economy is night and day better than the dumpster fire he inherited from Trump, but it's also a fact that I'm just measures it's as good or better than pre-covid Trump. Most Americans are financially better off than they were four years ago. Math is math.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here’s your problem: You say the economy is bad. That’s just talking shlt.  There are objective measures of economic performance. Lots and lots of them. Figures that Trump used all the time — Unemployment (we’re all-time low), the DJIA (we’re all-time high), and so forth.  And you’re incapable of pulling one single measure out of your ass which objectively makes your point.  

I literally just posted an article showing the economy isn't great and you literally posted one in reply claiming it showed that the economy is on the mend.  LOL - i think  you're having that age old problem of having told enough stories you can't keep them straight.

When you look at all the indicators together the picture is not great.  It's not a complete disaster or the like but no, it's not good and its ceratainly not as good as when trump was running the show.  Now - you can argue there's reasons for that which are outside biden's control if you like but if you're trying to argue he's doing great on the economy ..  that's a tougher sell.

And the people know it - they see it in their every day lives. And that's why he's doing as badly against trump and in the opinion polls as he is.

Now -you  CAN say biden is doing better economy wise than many thought he was going to - as you say, soft landing.  And you can make other arguments i suppose which put a better light on it maybe.

But your statement that the economy is doing great or that it's better than trump is demonstrably false.

[Hodad]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I guess you're among the minority then.

Yeah, but it's not an exclusive club. Read some books, take some classes. Hell, even just look up the year-to-year data. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Yeah, but it's not an exclusive club. Read some books, take some classes. Hell, even just look up the year-to-year data. 

LOL - says the guy who utterly fell apart and ignored the irrefutable data posted to him previously showing why trump's time in office was more economically successful than obama's  

The only book you've read is 'how to successfully delude yourself while deluding others".

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so pathetic.

Not nearly as pathetic as ^this intellectual bankruptcy. LMAO

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not nearly as pathetic as ^this intellectual bankruptcy. LMAO

Intellectual bankruptcy   Always love the classics

Would you say he's the dunning-kruger of intellectual bankruptcy? (poke poke! Would you?  poke!) 

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here’s your problem: You say the economy is bad. That’s just talking shlt.  There are objective measures of economic performance. Lots and lots of them. Figures that Trump used all the time — Unemployment (we’re all-time low), the DJIA (we’re all-time high), and so forth.  And you’re incapable of pulling one single measure out of your ass which objectively makes your point.  

And here's your problem.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/13/americans-trust-trump-biden-economy/70845445007/

The American people know lipstick on a pig. Trump wins on the economy.

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yeah, but it's not an exclusive club. Read some books, take some classes. Hell, even just look up the year-to-year data. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/13/americans-trust-trump-biden-economy/70845445007/

Bye...

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And here's your problem.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/13/americans-trust-trump-biden-economy/70845445007/

The American people know lipstick on a pig. Trump wins on the economy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/13/americans-trust-trump-biden-economy/70845445007/

Bye...

Don't you feel even a little bit dumb just repeating an opinion poll--and repeating yourself-- rather than looking at readily available facts? 

It's not clear whether you're telling us that you are incapable of understanding facts, or that you're incapable of distinguishing fact from opinion, or whether you simply  believe that's facts aren't important, but whichever the case, it's not a good look. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Don't you feel even a little bit dumb just repeating an opinion poll--and repeating yourself-- rather than looking at readily available facts? 

It's not clear whether you're telling us that you are incapable of understanding facts, or that you're incapable of distinguishing fact from opinion, or whether you simply  believe that's facts aren't important, but whichever the case, it's not a good look. 

No. The American people know the economy is worse now than it was with Trump. 

Have a happy new year.

[Hodad]

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. The American people know the economy is worse now than it was with Trump. 

Have a happy new year.

They are wrong. You are wrong. And you won't even try to support your argument because you know you are lying. You've been shown the numbers many times. You know full well that you are FOS. And you know that we know. You simply don't care because you have not shame and no honor. Your name is dirt.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

They are wrong. You are wrong. And you won't even try to support your argument because you know you are lying. You've been shown the numbers many times. You know full well that you are FOS. And you know that we know. You simply don't care because you have not shame and no honor. Your name is dirt.

The American people recognize the truth...no matter how hard you try to lie to them.

Enjoy...

[Hodad]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The American people recognize the truth...no matter how hard you try to lie to them.

Enjoy...

Tripling down on your dishonesty. Enjoy, troll.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Tripling down on your dishonesty. Enjoy, troll.

Thanks. I am enjoying this. It's fun to watch you squirm and stretch reality to suit your desires...while the American people decisively decide otherwise. 

Your lies have no effect anymore. That must really upset you.

[Rebound]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I "Cherry picked" an article that's current and relevant?  Were you dropped as a child? What year did you THINK i should post an article from?

 

The question was is the economy worse under biden -  yes it is   The fact that they may be reducing the damage is great but not relevant. As BOTH articles note the situation is worse than it was previously during Trump's time. So the claim it's better is false.

You are literally trying to claim that crashing a car is better than staying on the road because the air bag went off  and you didnt' die   LOL.  Nope.

It would really help if you could try to keep in mind what we're discussing.  As the factors in BOTH articles show,  the economy outside of covid was far better under trump, not worse as you claimed.

 

Again, to quote from the article you cited:

”The Fed is seeking to weaken the economy just enough to bring inflation down without causing a recession.”

The article reports that the Federal Reserve’s policies to slow our economy, in order to reduce inflation, and increase (yes, increase) unemployment, are working. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Don't you feel even a little bit dumb just repeating an opinion poll--and repeating yourself-- rather than looking at readily available facts? 

 

I've posted the facts for you. You just ignore them.  Instead you cherry pick a few that you feel makes it seem less worse and claim that all is well.

@Nationalist is correct - the people are aware of the truth. You can tell them their economy is great but they know better because they see it in their day to day lives.  And the numbers show the truth -  people's income is way down, any gains to the stock market or gdp is due to insane levels of gov't spending that are unsustainable and have driven inflation through the roof.

People are worse off - and they know they are.

SO when you lie and say "the economy is amazing!!!"  They say "Yeah....  we'll take trump please. "

[Queenmandy85]

President Trump will win the Presidency in 2024. President Biden will lose because of the border issue. It is an insoluble problem. We hear the opposition saying "stop illegal immigration. Close the border." But nobody has come up with a practical method of doing so. Former President Trump talks about massive deportations, but doesn't explain how. There are millions of people residing in the US illegally. That is MILLIONS of people, scattered all over the USA. First, you have to identify the individuals, then hold hearings and investigate their status. Then you have to transport them out of the country. The United States does not have the human resources to carry that out. 

There are reports of thousands of people approaching the southern border. How do you stop them? Many of them will be claiming refugee status or be asylum claimants. How do you let them through for their hearings, along with the legal traffic, and yet identify illegal immigrants and stop them? They will simply walk over any border guards standing in their way.

The Biden Administration is not stupid. They know this issue will lead to their defeat in November. But there is nothing they can do about it. If they could stop illegal immigration and deport all illegals, they would do it. They do not want to lose to the former President.

Of course, former President Trump is laughing. He will promise to solve the problem, but he knows he doesn't have to because he doesn't have to worry about re-election in 2028. He can do nothing about the issue and there is nothing anyone can do about it.